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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Dh and I feel like the time has come to get a dog. The kids have been wanting one for years, and we finally have a house with a big yard. We always had dogs when I was a kid, but my mom took care of them, so I really have no idea beyond the very basics. Dh's family had a dog once when he was a kid but it was his sister's and same story as me - he has no idea about being responsible for a dog.

So, where do we start? I want to get a puppy just because my number one concern is safety around the kids, and I feel more confident about a dog that has grown up with the kids. (We also have chickens, and I'd prefer to be able to train them not to hurt the chickens when they are all in the backyard.) I don't care about a purebred, and would prefer it be a rescue dog or from the humane society, but from what I know there are certain breeds that are generally more calm and tolerant of kids than others. For instance, I've heard that terriers are not good for kids. My mom had a schipperke once that had issues with kids, and my friend has a chihuaha that snarls at my kids. So I guess small dogs aren't the best choice.

We are thinking a medium sized dog that has short hair (dh has some allergies). That's about it as far as physical requirements. So, how do we start looking?

Also, how do we find out what kind of preparation to do on our end? What kind of supplies we need, training, where they sleep, etc. I feel silly, but I really have no idea!

Any good books or websites or any info would be much appreciated. Thank you!

ETA: Oh, another kind of silly question: Where do we actually get a dog? If we're not going through a breeder, do we just browse the website of the local humane society? Contact rescue groups? I really have no idea!
post #2 of 12
I've been looking at www.petfinder.com and found many dogs in the local shelters and dog rescues that need a home.
post #3 of 12
I've definitely read a lot about different breed temperments in the past, but with this cat (yes, its a cat and not a dog, but I'll do the same thing when we get a dog, I thought it worked well),
we just went by the local shelter and humane sociaty (some cities have dumb friends league, or other rescue organizations, as well as most areas having a few rescue organizations that are breed specific), and played with the animals until we found one that we got along with really well, and their description of him sounded like he would work for us. (they usually have gotten to know the animals, and know whether or not they would be good with other animals, or older or younger kids, and any other special needs.) The humane sociaty here has counselors to help you find a pet who will fit your families needs and temperment.

(also, perhaps find a possible pet just you and DH BEFORE taking the kids along. If you all go, and they fall in love with the dog, and then it turns out said dog is very unsuitable for your family for some reason... it wouldn't be good.)

As for dog training and care, the humane society often has classes on puppy training (or rather, people training to teach you how to train your dog). At least for the basics, it works well, for sit and stay and wait and such. I think most of training is dedication, that is, not letting your dog get away with it. If he sometimes sits when you tell him to, then he knows how to sit all the time, etc. They should be able to tell you pretty much what you need to know about having a dog, but google will help you indulge your pre-dog obsession, over things like supplies, training and more. (much like kids, you can have a dog and tons of stuff, or not so much stuff. there are a million different ways to train (or teach/discipline/raise with kids). I'd recomend getting on google, and exploring.

I would recommend checking out feeding raw meat, (many many websites about this), definitely google and do your own research, this is one starter website http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html and there is a brilliant yahoo group rawfeeding I think it is called), as so many people don't know about it, (I just learned about it recently) but it can be really easy, and has a lot of benefits.

good luck, I hope you find a wonderful puppy or dog for your family.
post #4 of 12
I think it's a common misconception that if you get an adult dog it will have behaviour issues but if you get a puppy you can "raise it right". I actually prefer adult/adolescent dogs because it's sort of a "what you see is what you get" situation - their personality is developed and you can evaluate it and decide if you would be a good match. With a puppy so much of their personality is still developing, and at the same time there are some genetic things that you may not be able to change.

For example some of my doggie-training friends got puppies that have a crazy prey drive (wouldn't be good for your chickens or a home with cats) and dog aggression. And these are folks with training experience who have done dog sports and stuff like that.

Since you don't have experience with dogs it might be a good idea to find a local trainer, one that uses positive methods (they should let you sit in on a training class sans dog to see how they work). Once you know that you "click" and they don't do anything harsh/punitive you can hire them for an hour to come with you to check out and evaluate a potential adoptee. I also like the book by Sue Sternberg "Successful dog adoptions".

Definitely plan to take training classes with your new dog - they are an excellent way to learn to communicate with each other, learn new skills (for both of you) and practice around distractions. I recommend at least a couple classes for each dog, for a puppy that would include a puppy kindergarden class. We can also give you some suggestions for reading material, though that really isn't a substitute for in-person learning.

As far as where to get a dog, human societies, local shelters, independent rescue groups, and city run animal services/pound facilities. IMO pounds often have many gems, but they usually have the least amount of info on the dogs as they haven't been there long (it's where we got our first dog). That's why having someone experienced with you would come in handy. I'm sorry that I don't know, but how old are your kids?
post #5 of 12
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My kids are 8 and 5.

We've been researching breeds, and while there is some conflicting information out there, based on temperment (and short hair!) it seems like boxers or beagles would be a good choice. My SIL has always had boxers, and they are such sweet dogs.

I actually found a boxer/beagle mix on a shelter website through www.petfinder.com, and am emailing with the people. The dog is still too young to be adopted, so we'd have a few weeks to ramp up.

I get what the pp is saying about an adult dog being a known commodity, and it's definitely something I'll consider.

Dh actually works for a non profit that trains service dogs (he's a computer guy though, so no actual dog experience), so we have the option of adopting a dog that "flunks" out of their training program. It would be great because we would know a lot about that particular dog and their temperment, but they tend to use breeds that have longer hair and I worry about dh's allergies.
post #6 of 12
short hair vs long hair may not really have an effect on his allergies. What does tend to is shedding- some breeds are known for shedding a lot- including short haired breeds like Labradors and German Shepherds. Some long haired breeds- like Maltese or Yorkies do not shed and are actually good choices for folks with allergies.

Has DH spent a lot of time around dogs? Do you know the extent of his dog allergy? It would be a shame to bring home a dog and then find out his allergies are more than he can handle. I would recommend having him spend a few hours at least with some dogs and see how his allergies hold up. If you can pet sit a friends dog for a few days, all the better. If he does have bad allergies, some breeds are easier for allergy sufferers to live with than others. Wikipedia has a nice list of some of these breeds here- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoall...reeds#Examples

As far as preparing for a dog, I would check out a variety of books from your local library. They should have a wide selection of books about dog ownership in general. Some of the info- mostly the stuff on training, may be somewhat dated (most general books advise older, punishment based methods, while many dog people are turning to newer, positive reinforcement methods now) however the basics- supplies, care should be fairly accurate.

I've always enjoyed books by Bruce Fogle DVM. He publishes a lot under Dorling Kindersley, which is nice because its illustrated.

I also like TFH's new Terra Nova series. These can be found in most bookstores, and I think Petco carries them in store. Most are breed specific, but they also have "The Happily Adopted Dog by Tammy Gagne, "The Holistic Health Guide: Natural Care for the Whole Dog" by Doug Knueven, "The Mixed-Breed Dog" by Phyllis DeGioia, and "Puppy Care & Training" by Teoti Anderson. I haven't read those titles specifically, but have read other titles out of the series and have been very impressed. Many dog books are put out by the same punlisher and have "boxed text" - its the same in every book, just substitute a breed name her and there. This series has none of that and seems to have good info.

Another book I love is Victoria Stillwell's "Its Me Or The Dog" It gives a great overview, and its very much up to date.

For dog breed info, I would start with a book that lists many dog breeds. your library probably has several. They have a picture and a brief description of each breed. Going through it should give you a good idea of what you are looking for. Even if you want a mixed breed, its a good idea to be knowledgeable. If, for instance, you know that border collies are not a good match for your family, you'll know that you probably dont want to adopt the cute border collie mix pup either. If you know that neither pugs nor beagles appeal to you, its a good bet that you wouldn't be happy with a pug/beagle mix either. There are also many purebreds in rescue and shelters, so if you fall in love with a breed, there's a good bet you can find one for adoption.

After you narrow it down a bit with a big breed atlas, check out some books on the individual breeds that interest, and do some internet research. You'll find out more specific info not listed in the general book and that should help you decide as well. You might find out smaller details that are either deal breakers or make you more interested in the breed.

If you do find a breed or two that interests you, even if you want to rescue, I've found it helpful to talk to some other owners or breeders. Most breeds have email groups or message boards for owners that are happy to answer questions. Even though I knew I wanted to rescue my last dog, I talked to reputable breeders about the breeds I was interested in. They are generally VERY knowledgeable about the breed and now little details you don't read about in books. They also tend to be very involved in dog rescue themselves. I was up front with them- I was looking for a rescue dog in the future and doing some research and had questions about their breed. Most were happy to talk to me, they tend to be concerned about the welfare of their breed and dogs and want to see people choose the right dog for their situation- which meant a few did discourage me from their breed, and that was fine, as the information that someone intimately familiar with the breed thought my family and lifestyle was NOT a good fit saved me from potentially getting a dog that wouldn't work out.

For a family with young kids, unless you're adopting an 8 week old puppy, I'd highly suggest looking into a foster-based rescue organization. These take dogs into foster homes where they live in the house just like another pet. They often have the dog for a little longer and know how it behaves in the house, around other pets, with children etc. They can tell you if its housebroken, what commands it knows, what fears or quirks it might have etc. Dogs often behave quite differently in a shelter environment than they do in a home based one. Foster parents can also give far more info, and more accurate info than shelters can. And added bonus is that the dogs have often received veterinary care.

Has your DH spent any time around the dogs in the service training program? He might discuss your dog search with some of the trainers and see what advice they can offer, and if they'd let him spend a little time with the dogs to see how his allergies are. I'd imagine his work place should have a wealth of information for you to draw on! I would also have him ask about local trainers they would recommend. For a family who has never had a dog before, I HIGHLY recommend taking a training class. Its much easier to get it right the first time, and a class helps you do that.

One big thing dog owners talk about these days is food. Someone else already mentioned raw food, which is a great option. If you want to feed kibble, a good starting place for choosing a quality food is http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/ I don't agree with everything on the site, but its easy to navigate for a newcomer. Generally, any food that has at least 3 stars is a good quality, healthy food. There is a lot of factors that go into choosing a good dog food, so if you have questions, the topic would probably deserve its own thread. But thats a good starting site.

basic supplies for a puppy-

crate
bed
collar
leash
tags
food and water bowls
basic grooming supplies- a brush, nail clippers, kwik stop, dog shampoo, ear cleaner
enzymatic cleaner- this is a special cleaner for pet messes, you buy it at
the pet store, popular brands are Nature's Miracle and Simple Solution
high quality food
small training treats- soft treats normally work best
chews- I don't recommend rawhide- sweet potato chews are nice, as
are bully sticks, cow or pig ears, and various other dried animal parts


And of course toys, for new puppy owners I recommend-
a nylabone- the puppy formula seems to be popular with dogs
a kong- this can be filled with peanut and other treats to keep puppy busy
a rope toy
a rubber toy that squeaks- those by JW pet hold up well, try to avoid soft latex
a ball
possibly a cheap stuffed toy- most puppies will destroy these, but dogs seem to enjoy them

That gives you a wide variety with differing purposes, once you see how he plays and what he likes you can target your toy buying to his needs.
post #7 of 12
I have small dog allergy issues, I can't even really pinpoint which dogs will set them off, but I'm pretty sure some labs and goldens are the worst for me. Gromit is a labradoodle (he is a rescue but they were sure) with medium length hair, and Lucky is a schnauzer mix with medium to longish hair. I have zero allergy issues with them, and both are great family dogs. We rescued Lucky when she was one, and Gromit at only 10 weeks.

You have so much great advice, but I just wanted to add that at first it can seem hard, especially with a puppy! You might feel like you will never house train the, stop them from chewing, it is a lot of work, and if you do don't worry!


it really becomes second nature and it is so fun and wonderful to own a dog.
post #8 of 12
I agree - short haired dogs and double-coated dogs seem to be the worst for allergy sufferers because they shed (a little to a lot, depending on the dog and how dilligent you are about brushing them). Long haired dogs tend not to shed but they typically need regular grooming.

I'm a big fan of beagles as family dogs, all the ones I've known were very sweet. Boxers are nice dogs, but their puppy brain seems to last a LONG time. Add in the fact that they tend to be muscular and strong, and you've got a good workout. I can't count how many people I've seen get dragged around or knocked over by their adolescent boxer. Although they don't do it in a mean way, they just have so much excitement and energy that they're about to burst. Just make sure you're up for a lot of exercise - a couple of walks around the block ain't gonna cut it for a boxer!
post #9 of 12
you've gotten some great advice, and i want to add a bit more about exercise and personality.

for both breeds you've mentioned - boxers and beagles - exercise will not be optional it will be a requirement and probably a large requirement. think of it as adopting a high needs, high energy, non verbal toddler. they will get into everything and be messy and make lots of mistakes over and over and over and will also be so lovable that even as they make you crazy you can't help but laugh.

if you have a low tolerance for mess and/or are unwilling or unable to exercise the dog properly you should rethink it a bit before committing to adopting a dog (or buying one). for exercise - think of it as a minimum of an hour a day of walks/play/training.

for personality - make sure you research the breed and read about what it was originally bred for. for instance, don't get a dog from the sighthound group if you don't want it chasing squirrels. don't get a beagle and expect it to stay in a yard without a fence. don't get a rat terrier any expect it not to dig up your yard.

and above all - don't expect your children to be the main caretakers no matter what they promise. if you get a dog, it's on you and your husband to take care of it.
post #10 of 12
I haven't read all the replies, but I have really bad allergies and also wanted a dog that would be good with the kids. We rescued a Cockapoo (cocker spaniel, poodle mix) about 5 months ago and she has been awesome! She is so good with the kids and the house and I have had no issues with allergies. I bury my face in her fur all the time and it still doesn't bother me.

She is an adult dog so I am not sure how a cockapoo puppy would be.
post #11 of 12
Agreed about having DH explore the allergies more before you get the dog, otherwise there could be a lot of hearbreak. That said, contact a rescue group, tell them your situation, and they will be able to help pick out a dog that fits your circumstances. And, go to dogstardaily.com, and download the "before you get your puppy" online free book. It's got TONS of info that you need, and all free, from the top trainer in the country. I am a dog trainer, but for people that can't attend a class this website is the next best thing. Oh, and www.clicertraining.com has some videos for kids to help train the dog.
post #12 of 12
I remembered a book I really liked- "Essential Dog: The Ultimate Guide to Owning a Happy and Healthy Pet" by Caroline Davis I found it at my library. It has a REALLY great example of a socialization chart in it, which is important for puppies. It also has great information and is mostly up to date with current dog issues.

ETA-
I wanted to say, that there is NO guarantee that a poodle mix will be hypoallergenic. When you take two breeds, one non shedding and one known for shedding quite a bit like a labrador, golden, cocker etc, there is no way to know which parent an individual puppy will take after. Some are non shedding, but the majority of poodle mixes DO shed. You cant tell until the adult coat comes in exactly what you will be dealing with. If you need a hypoallergenic dog and are interested in poodle mixes (often they have cutesy names ending in "poo" and "doodle") get an adult, and make sure to have DH spend time with it, and talk to the foster parents about the coat type and whether they've noticed shedding etc.
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