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Poll Results: Do Black People Scare You?

 
  • 5% (77)
    Yes they do
  • 7% (114)
    Only black men or big black people
  • 66% (1003)
    Of course not that's just racist
  • 21% (324)
    other
1518 Total Votes  
post #701 of 1220

I changed my mind!

Ever since I posted that last post (the long one) I have been thinking.....

And tonight I listened to both my neighbors, one group was mostly white-and the other group was latin or a mix of people (the people who live there are latin but the other kids hanign out may not have been) Be insanley annoying outside and do on a regular basis.

In fact, the white ones, are realy classy and they have a friend who lives there who routinley pees on the front lawn in the middle of the day. It's unbelivable. I really heart having them as neighbors. LOL

Dh and I were horrified the first time. Oh and they also sit in the car, drunk, during the day blaring "Welcome to the Jungle" in their car. One time the lady cussed out another one for 5 minutes and my ds walked out on it before we could stop him. :

So I dont think I was correct-I just think the language is different among different groups/cultures/whatever you want to call it. And then again, sometimes its not. I think its a culture thing and not a color thing. 100%

I hope I didnt hurt anyones feelings. I havent read the responses but I will in the morning...



Jenny
post #702 of 1220
i have more to say on this, and i seem to not be subbed. my gram died today, so i'll have to come later with the rest of my thoughts.

glad to see it's still going, tho.
post #703 of 1220
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Originally Posted by boodafli View Post
i have more to say on this, and i seem to not be subbed. my gram died today, so i'll have to come later with the rest of my thoughts.

glad to see it's still going, tho.
: I'm so sorry
post #704 of 1220
I voted other...

First off being followed around by security, ALWAYS being the one pulled for "random" checks before you fly and people assuming your an illegal because your hispanic and the thousand of various remarks are part of my daily life.

I am not scared of black people nor of any other race and/or ethnic group. Are there people in those groups that scare me? Yes, of course but it in no way is it because of their skin color or their ethnic makeup.

I will say though that I find black men more willing to have an open and frank dialogue about race (IRL) than black women. I
post #705 of 1220
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Originally Posted by boodafli View Post
i have more to say on this, and i seem to not be subbed. my gram died today, so i'll have to come later with the rest of my thoughts.

glad to see it's still going, tho.
So sorry to hear that.
post #706 of 1220
Boodafli-- I'm sorry.
post #707 of 1220
I'm gonna have to say that teenagers of any race, creed, color, or sex, are "culturally" the loudest group on the planet. I can say this from experience, being a reformed teenager myself!

I realized this the other day when some teenagers were romping (as teenagers love to do. THey do not walk in public when in groups. They do not run. They ROMP) down the street and just..LOUD. Yelling things that made no sense at the top of their lungs.

Then I remembered screaming "I am naked underneath my clothes" in broken Swedish as loud as I could whilst romping through the community with my friends.

And while my image of a scary person might be racist (can one be racist against their own race? huh..) I think it has more to do with my wierd obsession with serial killers. I mean, since I was a kid I've watched movies like Helter Skelter and the Hillside Strangler, you know? So when someone says "Think of a scary person", lecherous older (than my age group) white male comes to mind.
post #708 of 1220
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Originally Posted by transformed View Post
Ever since I posted that last post (the long one) I have been thinking.....

And tonight I listened to both my neighbors, one group was mostly white-and the other group was latin or a mix of people (the people who live there are latin but the other kids hanign out may not have been) Be insanley annoying outside and do on a regular basis.

In fact, the white ones, are realy classy and they have a friend who lives there who routinley pees on the front lawn in the middle of the day. It's unbelivable. I really heart having them as neighbors. LOL

Dh and I were horrified the first time. Oh and they also sit in the car, drunk, during the day blaring "Welcome to the Jungle" in their car. One time the lady cussed out another one for 5 minutes and my ds walked out on it before we could stop him. :

So I dont think I was correct-I just think the language is different among different groups/cultures/whatever you want to call it. And then again, sometimes its not. I think its a culture thing and not a color thing. 100%

I hope I didnt hurt anyones feelings. I havent read the responses but I will in the morning...



Jenny
Your question didn't hurt my feelings, but it just reminded me that how sometimes white people measure things against what is the "norm" for them and everything that falls outside of that "norm" is aberrant.
post #709 of 1220
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Originally Posted by boodafli View Post
i have more to say on this, and i seem to not be subbed. my gram died today, so i'll have to come later with the rest of my thoughts.

glad to see it's still going, tho.
I am so sorry mama. Please take care of yourself
post #710 of 1220
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Originally Posted by sonrisaa29 View Post
I voted other...

First off being followed around by security, ALWAYS being the one pulled for "random" checks before you fly and people assuming your an illegal because your hispanic and the thousand of various remarks are part of my daily life.

I am not scared of black people nor of any other race and/or ethnic group. Are there people in those groups that scare me? Yes, of course but it in no way is it because of their skin color or their ethnic makeup.

I will say though that I find black men more willing to have an open and frank dialogue about race (IRL) than black women. I
See, I just don't get this statement. Would you please explain further? I am sincerely interested in what you are basing this on and what your experiences have been with black women with regard to race.
post #711 of 1220
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Originally Posted by kama'aina mama View Post
Transformed, there is an aspect to what you are talking about that is product of internalized racism. There is a quality of 'the norm' vs 'the other' to your thought process, if you will. And since you are white most of your norms are white. Something like the woman at K-mart, who may very well have been experiencing racism, seemed very strange to you. Because your cultural norm is that if they ask to look in your bag they have a good reason and the situation will be a very minor inconvenience which you will deal with quickly and quietly. Her cultural norm is that she is frequently subjected to extra scrutiny and I would expect that she usually suffers it silently and that day had enough and got loud about it. Getting fed up about something and yelling , even to passersby is not exclusive to blacks or black women, in my experience at all. Maybe it is in yours? Or maybe it was because she was specifically citing her race as a part of the problem you viewed her behavior as "a black thing". I'm not sure...

The thing is that you have seen people get loud about service issues many times. If the person is white your reaction is "Man is she pissed!" but in this case you processed it as 'a black thing'. Does that make any sense?

The thing with the teen girls... The same basic motif could (and does) have played out with a group of white teenage girls. Obviously the exact nature of the teasing would have been different but the overall tone would be roughly the same. That you would label obnoxious teen girls... this you labeled as a black thing.
The feeling I had at walmart was actually different now that I think of it----I was actually thinking "right on." (At the same time as thinking "sheesh-just let them check your bag lady!") I dont know how I had those 2 feelings at the same time...

Teenaged girls are just annoying all over.
post #712 of 1220
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Originally Posted by boodafli View Post
i have more to say on this, and i seem to not be subbed. my gram died today, so i'll have to come later with the rest of my thoughts.

glad to see it's still going, tho.
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post #713 of 1220
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Originally Posted by kama'aina mama View Post
Transformed, there is an aspect to what you are talking about that is product of internalized racism. There is a quality of 'the norm' vs 'the other' to your thought process, if you will. And since you are white most of your norms are white. Something like the woman at K-mart, who may very well have been experiencing racism, seemed very strange to you. Because your cultural norm is that if they ask to look in your bag they have a good reason and the situation will be a very minor inconvenience which you will deal with quickly and quietly. Her cultural norm is that she is frequently subjected to extra scrutiny and I would expect that she usually suffers it silently and that day had enough and got loud about it. Getting fed up about something and yelling , even to passersby is not exclusive to blacks or black women, in my experience at all. Maybe it is in yours? Or maybe it was because she was specifically citing her race as a part of the problem you viewed her behavior as "a black thing". I'm not sure...

The thing is that you have seen people get loud about service issues many times. If the person is white your reaction is "Man is she pissed!" but in this case you processed it as 'a black thing'. Does that make any sense?

The thing with the teen girls... The same basic motif could (and does) have played out with a group of white teenage girls. Obviously the exact nature of the teasing would have been different but the overall tone would be roughly the same. That you would label obnoxious teen girls... this you labeled as a black thing.

: I had wanted to say this earlier in my previous post but couldn't find the words.

Boodalfi, so sorry for your loss.

Shay
post #714 of 1220
So does it make me racist? (honest question) Is it possible that racism is a problem because ppl are racist and dont know it? I dont really want to be labeled.....but then again neither do "black people" or "white people" or "poor people" or "muslims."

My MIL talks about the poor kids at school and how they dont have good parents and oppertunitys---they come to school less ready to learn because their parents dont take the time to read to them.

It makes me livid-but she is not hateful. She is a sweet person, and I know she isnt trying to be hateful.

So mabye if there is racism in our hearts, we dont realize it?

(I am certainly not burning crosses-KWIM?)
post #715 of 1220
I am catching up on the new posts here, but relevant to some of the current discussion is one of my favorite quotes, from Maya Angelou:

"The fact that the adult American Negro female emerges a formidable character is often met with amazement, distaste and even belligerance. It is seldom accepted as an inevitable outcome of the struggle won by survivors, and deserves respect if not enthusiastic acceptance. "
post #716 of 1220
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Originally Posted by dawningmama View Post
I am catching up on the new posts here, but relevant to some of the current discussion is one of my favorite quotes, from Maya Angelou:

"The fact that the adult American Negro female emerges a formidable character is often met with amazement, distaste and even belligerance. It is seldom accepted as an inevitable outcome of the struggle won by survivors, and deserves respect if not enthusiastic acceptance. "
I really like that quote.
post #717 of 1220
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Originally Posted by transformed View Post
So does it make me racist? (honest question) Is it possible that racism is a problem because ppl are racist and dont know it? I dont really want to be labeled.....but then again neither do "black people" or "white people" or "poor people" or "muslims."

My MIL talks about the poor kids at school and how they dont have good parents and oppertunitys---they come to school less ready to learn because their parents dont take the time to read to them.

It makes me livid-but she is not hateful. She is a sweet person, and I know she isnt trying to be hateful.

So mabye if there is racism in our hearts, we dont realize it?

(I am certainly not burning crosses-KWIM?)
To answer the second to last question: Yes. And that is a huge chunk of what recognizing white privilege is all about.

Most of the ways in which racism affects modern American life (that's the one I know---I can't speak to the ways this works in other places) are so ingrained and so, on the surface, it can be hard to see how racism plays out.

But, really, if you just scratch a little bit, there it is.
post #718 of 1220
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Originally Posted by transformed View Post
So does it make me racist? (honest question) Is it possible that racism is a problem because ppl are racist and dont know it? I dont really want to be labeled.....but then again neither do "black people" or "white people" or "poor people" or "muslims."

My MIL talks about the poor kids at school and how they dont have good parents and oppertunitys---they come to school less ready to learn because their parents dont take the time to read to them.

It makes me livid-but she is not hateful. She is a sweet person, and I know she isnt trying to be hateful.

So mabye if there is racism in our hearts, we dont realize it?

(I am certainly not burning crosses-KWIM?)
You probably are. I am. It took me a long time to realize it because it sounds so horrible, but there it is.

We can both work on being aware of our inherent privilege. There's a lot of it. An amazing amount of privilege comes from looking white.

Most of the racism, in the non south-eastern states anyway, seems to be unintentional and stem from ignorance. We can combat that by being informed and conscious and informing others.
post #719 of 1220
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Originally Posted by transformed
Is it possible that racism is a problem because ppl are racist and dont know it?
Yes, IMO that is the biggest problem. Subtle racism does more damage than overt in a lot of ways. That's why we need to talk about it and process it together and get called on our stuff so we can see it and move past it.
post #720 of 1220
So what are white people to do about "white privilage?"

What would be the application for fixing it? If I am in fact white and privelaged, is it somehow my fault?

Or is it just a matter of being mindful.

Honestly, I am thinking that white privelage is going out of style. Especially with the fact that we are no longer the majority. (Although white people still rule the country-but thats only because most people choose not to vote. I'll bet if our lazy population actually got up and voted, we would see a different outcome.)

I watched a news article (John Stossel I think) about a girl with fantastic grades-from a upper middle class neighborhood- who didnt get in to a college because a less deserving (lower grades) black student was enrolled and they had to "even it out." That makes me mad-That we arent giving people equal rights. How is it equal rights if the black student didnt have to work as hard and got the white girls spot. (and you can insert any ethnic background in place of black in that-The colleges have allotments for minoritys and whatnot.)

Do non-white people seriously want this kind of situation going on? I dont think I do, but I am going from the medias perspective and it seems to make sense to me.

Someone who isnt white give me some perspective on this subject.....tell it like it is!

All I am saying here is that colleges arent saving up spots for white students, they are saving up spots for all the other ethnic backgrounds. I dont belive that is the correct way of doing things.
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