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Planning an ... intervention? for my overeating mother, feeling clueless

post #1 of 51
Thread Starter 
The point: I am planning to fly to visit my mother to spend a weekend with her, sans grandkids, discussing her current lifestyle and the future of her health. I have no idea how to do this, but I feel strongly that it needs to happen. I am posting with hopes that some kind soul will read through all of this and give me some advice about how to organize this visit so that it is not offensive, and is instead productive.

TIP: You don't really need to read through the specifics unless you have the time. I mainly just need advice about how to run what I guess is called an "intervention" of some sort. Do I look for a counselor? Can I do it by myself? How do I do this?

BACKGROUND
Emotional: My mother has been single since divorcing my adulterous father, back in 1986. She had had problems with weight before that, but was doing well with WW. After the divorce, she has had increasing difficulty losing weight, though she has tried many times and in many ways.

Logistical: She has tried the following: Different programs: nutrisystem, Jenny Craig, WW, private counselors, Curves...and different exercise machines, exercise programs, and diets. Nothing has worked very well, or for very long. Currently she is attending her local Overeaters Anonymous meeting, and has stopped going to Curves due to "financial difficulties." I think she may go to WW on occassion.

Health: In 2004, she was diagnosed with Hashimoto's disease-- hyperthyroidism. This makes weight loss more difficult, but not impossible. She was on thyroid medicine for a while, and was really bummed about her weight. (She was at her skinniest in a decade when the diagnosis came-- hyperthyroidism causes you to lose weight more easily, and the medicine used to treat it slows and reverses that process.) I think she kind of gave up at that point. However, physicians assure me that there is no reason that a Hashimoto's patient can't continue to reach a healthy weight.

Her knees and feet bother her a lot.

She was diagnosed last winter with sleep apnea, and has had ongoing difficulty with the machine.

MOTIVATION:
I guestimate that she weighs over 200 pounds, now. She is 61 years old. My children are her only grandchildren, and they are 1.5 and 3.5. She cannot get down on the floor with them. She had asked and asked to be in charge of them over the holidays, and was watching them at the top of a flight of stairs that was blocked off with chairs. My youngest got up from her lap, bee-lined towards the chairs, and managed to fall down the stairs before she could even get up off the couch. She was mortified. L was unhurt, but it was a red flag for both of us, I think. She said she could tell where he was headed as soon as he got off her lap, but she just couldn't get up quickly enough.

And while I am motivated by thinking of what is best for HER, I have to admit that watching her be the chief assistant in the slow and tedious dying processes of both her parents caused a lightbulb to go off for me: that will, one day, be my job. I am motivated by pure-self-interest, to some degree.

RESPONSIBILITY:
I am the older of her two children. My dad is not in contact with us any more. She is the eldest of seven kids, both parents dead. Her siblings mostly turn to her for support and guidance, which she gives with the same patient generosity with which she changed their diapers and made their snacks (she is older than the next oldest sibling by a larger gap than separates any of the rest of them.) She has no partner. In short, there is no one to intervene in the loving way that I know I count on my spouse to do for me when I have made a bad or dangerous decision.


Sooo.... what do I do? How do I do this? So far, I have been to the OA website. I am trying to include my sister, but she is apparently having some sort of issue, because she is too busy to call me back to talk about it in depth, and hedges when I introduce possible weekends for us to fly out to visit her jointly.

Here are the sketches of the beginning of

MY PLAN:
First, pick one:
a) fly out to surprise her. I have never done this before. She would find it exciting, but also alarming. She is a bit of a control freak, so it would be nerve-wracking for her.
b) tell her that I am coming.

And... that's it. I have no idea how to do this. What do I do? How do I talk to her? Where can I go on the www that will help me prepare and do this in a way that she will know is born out of love? HELP!

I am thinking of going on Valentine's day weekend.
post #2 of 51
There's a recent thread about "interventions" for weight issues, and the overwhelming consenus (with a few desenters) was that it was a Very Bad Idea. I will try to find the thread for you.
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post #4 of 51
I bet your mom would love a visit from you, surprise or not, and maybe you can let her share her feelings with you about her health. As far as an intervention, I'm in the camp that thinks this is a very bad idea. The thing is it sounds like your mom is well aware of her issues, look at all those diets she has tried! It must be so hard on her, and I am guessing that you don't really know anything she doesn't already know after all of her diets and health issues, so what would you be able to tell her? It would be one thing if she didn't realize the problem, but with all her diets and how mortified you said she felt after the issue with her grandchild, she sounds like someone who knows. I think offering your help and support and love is always a great thing though!

It's wonderful that you care about her and want to help.
post #5 of 51
I would also like to say that I'd bet that your sister is avoiding the topic because she thinks is a bad idea, too.
post #6 of 51
Thread Starter 

OP here...

Hmm. I too think the situation described in the above-linked thread makes the intervention a terrible idea. All those people, and all of them friends, not family-- that makes it really different, though, doesn't it? From mine?

My mom has no one close enough to her in her life to offer to really get into this issue with her.

I am thinking now that "intervention" is a bad term? I more just want to set aside the time and space that will allow me to mainly hear from her what she is struggling with and what she thinks people around her can do to help... and to express to her the fact that I am ready to be one of those people.

My mom is just one of these "always in charge" kinds of people, and she just doesn't let anyone get close to her. I would say that our relationship is not nearly as close as it could be, and as close as it should be as she faces down the next two or three decades of her life. I don't want her to feel that she is alone in doing that, and yet her habit is to consistently relegate me to "daughter" status. As in, a young daughter that needs to be parented. (Don't get me started on this-- she majorly started trying to coddle and parent me AFTER I went to college- she had been a very busy working single mom for most of my actual childhood and young adulthood, and so it's like she is still trying to make up for it. But I am 32 now. I have two kids.)

So I'm not envisioning an ultimatum, or even any strong requests that she "get help" or the like. More like, "Look, you need someone you trust to stand next to you to help you through this, and to help you see the you you could be beyond this, and I want to be that person but I don't know how."

Still a bad idea?
post #7 of 51
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Originally Posted by Aletheia View Post
"Look, you need someone you trust to stand next to you to help you through this, and to help you see the you you could be beyond this, and I want to be that person but I don't know how."
Honestly, I think this is all you need to say. As someone who struggles with weight, myself. I know that when anyone says anything to me about my weight I immediately get defensive and pissed off that they are talking to me about it. It's a defense mechanism. I completely close off and pretty much walk away from the conversation. Because although I am completely aware of the fact that I have several pounds to lose, and I am dieting, and exercising...I still struggle with my random food addictions. And that is embarrassing. But if someone were to say what you said in the quote there. That would make me a little less guarded and perhaps a little more open to sharing some of my worries and concerns. I think you should go, because I think you need to get it off your chest as well. It sounds like you need to feel like you are helping your mom with her problem. Just remember, it's not up to you though. You can be the cheerleader, but your mom is the one who has to make the decision to do it.
post #8 of 51
I will speak from the point of view of a 55 year old mother of 3 and grandmother of 1.
I think it would be fun for my daughter to surprise visit me (she lives cross country) although I would hope she would talk to my dh first to make sure its a convenient time.
At 5'2" I was obese for a few years at 185 lbs. I gradually lost the weight in 10 lb. stages. I was 170 for a while, then 160 for a while, etc. until I plateaued at 145 which I've maintained for a number of years. I'd like to lose about 15 more but it's hard.
When I was at my heaviest I knew it and tried all kinds of "diets" to little or no avail. At some point I was just darn tired of it so I started to exercise and eat better (healthier) and the weight loss began. Now exercise is like brushing my teeth-I do it every day without fail and eat well although I sometimes over eat or eat sweets.
A therapist helped me with depression/anxiety for a time and I think that helped get me on the road to losing.
My whole point is the weight loss biz is a personal journey. She has to want it for herself and if she can't it might help to talk to someone. Going to OA is good but one on one is better. She might have some unresolved issues she needs to deal with before she is successful.
You can suggest these things and be a sounding board for her but you can't push her into it which I know you don't want to do.
If you were my daughter I would love to hear that you love me, are concerned about my health and are there for me if I want help and thats about all I would want from you. She already knows everything she has to do to lose. It's just a matter of getting there to the point of wanting it for herself.
post #9 of 51
Thread Starter 
sophiesgrandma, thank you for your helpful post.

I get that it is a personal journey and a personal decision. But I know that I have struggled with plenty of personal decisions simply because I don't believe I can do what it is I want to do. I am lucky in that I have an amazing husband and a wonderful sister and a fabulous best friend, all of whom I am open with and all of whom reflect back to me images of my self that I am not able to generate by myself.

I don't think my mom's problem is that she is not motivated or doesn't want to lose weight. I think it is that she just doesn't think she can. There is the hyperthyroidism weighing her mental outlook down. And there is the fact that, at least from where I stand, she has no one with whom she can be open about her weight who really knows her and loves her. It's fine to go to a support group like OA, but can you really trust a room of people you know so little when they say, "YES! YOU can do this!" I don't think I would be able to. I would think, "You might think I can, but I am different than you think I am. I am weak, I am unfocused, I am... blah blah blah." It's when the people who know you best say, "No, you are not," that you might actually listen.

So how do I do that? Is there a right way? To just out of nowhere, or so it would seem, say, "you are strong enough to do this" without it coming across like the intervention that the first few responders in this thread feel it to be? Or am I deluded, and they are indeed the same thing?
post #10 of 51
I think you can talk about it with her from the point of view of a concerned daughter. Tell her what worries you about her weight and how it affects you and your children. Again, tell her you are there for her in her quest and that you believe that she can accomplish it.
You might suggest sparkpeople (I'm not sure it's the right name) but its on the internet and the success of it is that people talk to other people about losing and they set small goals. I'm thinking of looking into it for my last 15 lbs.
For the most part, you can only help and give to her as far as she is willing to accept. I kind of equate it with quiting smoking. Its up to the smoker.
post #11 of 51
Very bad idea.

You mention that she stopped going to Curves because she couldn't afford it. What if instead of wasting money on an airplane ticket to go visit her, you buy her a 6 or 12 month Curves membership or a Wii complete with Wii Fit and Wii Sports and a few other fun games?

I really find it shocking that you think it is your place to tell another human to hurry up and lose weight. If anyone ever told me that, they would not continue to be in my life.
post #12 of 51
I kind of agree with RiverSky. Buying her a membership to Curves or something might be a good choice - especially since she told you that's why she stopped going. But beyond that, I don't really think it's your place to fly there with the specific intent of addressing your issues with her weight. Because, really, these are YOUR issues with her weight, not hers. You might make yourself feel better by going and talking to her about it, but it won't likely have any positive affect on her health or weight. If your goal is to actually help her, call her and say something like, "The last time I came to visit, you seemed upset about your weight [assuming that you guys talked a bit about things like OA, quitting CURVES, etc] and I was wondering if there was something I could do to help. I was thinking of giving you a 6 months CURVES membership [or whatever concrete thing you think you can do from afar], would you be okay with that? Or would something else help you more?" If she hasn't expressed dissatisfaction with her weight, then you need to leave it be, because it's none of your business.

I also wanted to address the things you've said about her thyroid condition. Overcoming medication and medical induced weight gain is very, very, very, very hard. For some people, it's impossible. Please don't presume that you know what's going on in her body just because some doctors (I assume doctors that aren't actually treating her) have told you about people with her condition. Again, this would fall into the "none of your business" department, unless she choses to share with you.

I'll be honest. I had a visceral negative reaction to your first post. It doesn't really seem like you're thinking of your mother in this at all. It seems like it's mostly about you, and how you feel she should be. Obviously, I'm not in your head. But before you do ANYTHING, I think you really need to examine your motives.
post #13 of 51
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Originally Posted by RiverSky View Post
Very bad idea.

You mention that she stopped going to Curves because she couldn't afford it. What if instead of wasting money on an airplane ticket to go visit her, you buy her a 6 or 12 month Curves membership or a Wii complete with Wii Fit and Wii Sports and a few other fun games?

I really find it shocking that you think it is your place to tell another human to hurry up and lose weight. If anyone ever told me that, they would not continue to be in my life.
I was just going to suggest you taking the airline money and putting it towards Curves.

My Dad used to do this to me all the time. He would write me these long letters about how I was harming myself, etc, all the while was smoking two packs a day and had a diet worse than mine. I just used to at them.

I think that it is really none of your business. If she was an alcoholic and taking money from you to support her habit, then I can see why it would be your business. But as it is now, it sounds like you are more worried about how it affects you. And that was not intended to sound mean, it is just how I truly feel.

I don't see this going over well. I don't see any weight loss intervention going over well. I see it as potentially deadly because when you are heavy, you know you are heavy. Sometimes it is because you have no self esteem. People pointing out your flaws to you hurts that self esteem. Bad things can happen when you feel like you are being kicked while you are down.
post #14 of 51
Thread Starter 
I want to be clear that I am very thankful for all the responses- even the brutally honest ones.

Please don't spare me any more of that honesty. Help me determine exactly what those of you who feel this visit would be a bad idea think my stance on my mom's weight should be. And yes, I do think I can have a stance. I cannot ignore it. Trying to ignore it has only served to distance me from her. So... I would never actually write a letter like this-- I'm just trying to determine what the "message" is that I should be sending to her and myself about this topic:

"Dear Mom-
I accept your difficulties with your weight as your own problem. I am here to support you if you can think of anything you need me to do. If your health declines more readily than it would otherwise, I accept that it is my job to sit by and hold your hand and take care of you, but not step in and try to change the path you are on. I am sorry that you are on a path that keeps you from being fully active in your grandchildren's childhoods. I know that must be very difficult for you. And I am very sad that this path might take you away from me and from my children faster than any of us would like, but I accept that you are doing all that you can do to change that and that you will ask for my help when and if you need it. I will be here through all of it and I promise to do my best to understand what I should do to support you."

I can see that this is probably over the top. But this does seem to be what you guys (most of you) are saying is the best thing? To just sit by and clean up messes after they are made? I may not be phrasing it the most flattering way, but if this is what most people think is the right path then I a sure there is a better way to say it.
post #15 of 51
Is the real issue that you think you are going to lose your mom, or that she is going to die too soon? I'm petrified at the thought of my own mother dying. Heck, she almost did in a car accident in 1997. Sweetie, life has no guarantee's. You are worried she may die from her weight, when in reality she could get bit by a snake, and be gone tommorrow..or get hit by a drunk driver. It's scary I really don't think an intervention is the answer. I think you could express your concerns, and offer to be there, and offer to help.. but you also need to get intouch with your own heart.. find out why you are so worried and why this upsets you so much. I understand logically where you are coming from, but where are you emotionally?
post #16 of 51
I don't think you get to have a "stance" on someone else's weight, not if you're accepting them and loving them unconditionally. I think if your feelings about your mom's weight are distancing you from her, you need to own that and deal with it on your own. It's on you, not her. Talk to your therapist about it, not your mom.

And, no, I don't think what you wrote is the best thing to share with her. It's certainly fine to have all those feelings - but they're YOUR feelings. It sounds like a big guilt trip - again, all about you. Your job isn't to change your mom, or guilt her into changing herself. Love her and support her in what she wants to do. She's a grown up. She gets to decide what she puts in her own body. I don't know what you expect to accomplish by sending her a letter like that, or saying those things to her. Do you think you will really get her to start losing weight? From the perspecive of someone who weighs even more than your mom - someone saying those things to me would.not.help. And it would have the potential to make it worse. Again, if she has expressed unhappiness about her own health, I think it's fine to offer concrete support - like a gym membership or paying for one one one weight loss counseling. Telling her that you have all these feeling about her weight would only make one person feel better, and it isn't her.
post #17 of 51
I think if you just go for a visit, and let the visit happen, you will probably get a chance to talk about whatever it is she needs to talk to you about.
post #18 of 51
No one can make you lose weight. No one can gently guide you to lose weight. It is clear that you care. It is clear you want her healthy - for you, for her, for your kids. But you really don't get to be in that decision or process unless she asks you to. And bringing it up - however nicely and with whatever good intentions - can quickly serve to hurt your relationship, and therefore your kids relationship, with her.

No one takes this well. No one thanks the person for so caringly pointing out that they are overweight to the point of being unhealthy, overweight to the point that others would step in. It will do absolutely zero good, and in all liklihood will cause damage to her already bruised self esteem AND your mother-daughter relationship.

I vote you DO go to visit. I vote you spend time with her, visiting and doing things you both like - anything from browsing antique stores to visiting a winery. Many things like this involve fresh air and walking, and will be time you can spend together. Three positives. Just don't ruin a nice visit with a weight loss coach talk.

You can go on a walk with her. You can buy a fresh pineapple at the store and cut it up to snack on when you two are sitting in the backyard one evening. You can be positive and supportive if she talks about healthy habits she is trying to achieve. But that is it IMO.
post #19 of 51
My Grandmother was blind. I suppose in your eyes that kept her from being "fully active" in my life. There were a lot of things other kids did with their Grandmother's that I could not do with mine. I don't think it affected my relationship with her. I have many fond memories of her, even playing cards and things because she had a special set. Sure, it would have been nice if she could have played more games of mine with me, or taken me places. But that wasn't my reality and I don't think I got ripped off because of it. I guess I don't see your Mom's weight as being a barrier here.

I don't know, if your Mom is 200 lbs, then I am over twice that. I am a teacher. I get around pretty good. I can run. I can pick up my students and spin them around. I can roll down a hill with them. I am not saying that all heavy people are able to be as active, but I have a hard time understanding that someone who was 200 lbs could not be active. Unless they have other problems, like knee issues, which may or may not be a weight related problem.

So maybe she is able to do more with your kids than you think.
post #20 of 51
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Originally Posted by RiverSky View Post
Very bad idea.

I really find it shocking that you think it is your place to tell another human to hurry up and lose weight. If anyone ever told me that, they would not continue to be in my life.
There is no good or appropriate way to do this. Your mother knows she is overweight. MYOB.

You can think whatever you want to think about your mother's weight, although I think "taking a stance on it" is a very peculiar way to look at it. It's not a political platform.

The reality is that losing weight and keeping it off is very difficult. Your mom already knows that. The vast majority of people who try to do it fail at it. That's not just a coincidence. Your "stance" on the topic isn't going to change the fact. It doesn't sound to me like your mother needs or wants your two cents worth. If she asks, fine, otherwise butt out.

As someone who has lost and gained unwanted weight many times, I can say that I have no interest in anyone else's "support, " unless that was in the form of a buddy going through the same thing. There isn't a damned thing hearing somebody else's "stance" about my weight is going to do to help me and it will just make me want those people out of my life.
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