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post #41 of 51
alright,

my family is emotional eaters and my sister, father, and mother are all over weight. my father has type two diabetes and my sister is pre-diabetic.

i never, ever talk about their weight and health with them. they talk about it (and rationalize and all kinds of things) and they do a lot of yo-yoing with their weight over the years.

and, no one is really willing to talk about the elephant in the room--that my father will be very difficult to take care of in 20 or so years and that they need to make the financial preparations for in-home care should he need it.

so, here is my process--within my own person i acknowledge my fears and discomforts with their health issues. i acknowledge all of my feelings about them. using an alanon-type process, i work on my enabling and other elements of my dynamic with their addiction.

with this, i acknowledge that i am also an emotional eater. through therapy, i have been able to closely monitor and deal with my emotions rather than turning to food. in my family, i am the only one who has acknowledged this emotional eating (or food addiction) component in my relationship to my body and my emotions.

when i am with them, i listen to them and acknowledge and support what i can. when my mother, sister, or father is in a good place, it is easier for me, and when they are in a bad way, it is harder for me. but the bottom line is this. . .i am focused on me and my emotions, maintaining my own equilibrium and not getting caught in codependency with them and their addictive patterns, and so on.

Of course you love your mother and you want her to be healthy. But only she can deal with her emotions and go through this. You can support her in any way you can, but talking to her about her health problems will only push her away, frustrate or anger her. It may also bring up her own shame, which is difficult.

THere are times when it is good to speak of such things--and i have with all of my family who emotionally eats when they bring up the topic and i express how i feel about it--eg, my father was talking about end-of-life care because i'd brought up how we were looking toward that for ourselves; i suggested that he consider that if he is disabled physically, that he can have in home support for that, as mom and i would not be able to lift him, etc. i expressed that i am deeply concerned for his health, but i love and support him and want him to have the best possible life experience.

but beyond that, all of these things are for them to deal with and solve. what i can control is how i relate to them and the emotional eating, etc. so, that's what i focus on.

i hope that you have a good visit with your mother, but i wouldn't do any "interventive" measures.
post #42 of 51
and to add. . .

it is very difficult for me to watch my family suffer so greatly. i do see it as needless suffering because "all it takes" is being willing to touch your pain, work to the emotional origins, feel rather than feed your emotions, etc. . .

all of that work that i do. and guess what "all it takes" is *not* easy. it's not easy for me, and why should i expect other people to want to do it? to do it?

i keep reminding myself that this is their life experience. in yoga/vedic circles, it's one interpretation of karma. they are living out their experience and their choices. they have insights into themselves and --dare i say-- into me that i do not have.

it is hard for me to watch my father become increasingly disabled. it is terrible for me to watch my sister struggle with infertility and be told--well before she is even pregnant--that she will *require* a c-section due to her weight.

i weep for them! my teeth gash! i tear my clothes!

but it is also my mirror, my own reflection. by accepting and loving them AS THEY ARE, i can learn to better love and accept myself.

and, i think that if it comes up, if she aasserts that she wants to go to WW or curves, then offer to help pay for it. but don't just up and do it.

as parents, we do so much that is child-lead. but with other adults, we feel we need to impose our agendas. try parent-lead childing with her. let her set the tone and pace, you just love and support.
post #43 of 51
I just wanted to add, that as an overweight person with small children, my biggest motivation is to be strong an healthy for my kids. To be able to do everything with them and be around a long time for them. That desire is so strong that it would bring me to tears thinking about it. But still, it doesn't make it any easier to affect the changes needed to lose the weight.

Your mom sounds like she does alot of good things. She obviously is aware of the problem. She has done some things to make the changes. She doesn't need anyone to tell her that she is overweight or will have many health problems in the future, I'm sure she's thought of all of this.

I think it's great that you already seem to have an open relationship with your mom that allows for her to discuss things like OA and curves. I don't dare mention my weight issues with anyone because I am too ashamed. Since you already have this openness, I would just use the naturally occurring conversations to help your mom. Like when she said she couldn't afford curves, then surprise her with a curves membership (I assume you can do this since you were planning on purchasing an airline ticket.) Rather than some grandiose speech about stuff she already knows, I would just use those little moments to help propel her through this journey that she already knows she's on.

About going out there just for this....do you visit her often? If you do not see her often, I would think she would be really excited for this visit, and to find out at the end that it was all about the "intervention," I think, would totally ruin it for her. And if any of my family did this, I wouldn't want to pick up the phone when they called henceforth because of what I feared they would say every time we talked.

For me personally, I know all of my family has opinions about my weight. And I'm sure alot of them are worried about my health. Informing me of this would not help me. It would make me feel guilty and ashamed, as I am letting THEM down. The type of help I would appreciate....a curves membership, a wii fit system, a cookbook with healthy recipes. And alot of weight issues are about low self worth, so find ways to build that up too.

Your heart is in the right place, please listen to people who are walking in your mom's shoes to figure out what she really needs.
post #44 of 51
Thread Starter 
Oh goodness. Thank you, thank you, thank you to those who have posted since I last visited. I was loathe to come back, but I haven't been able to find the proper perspective on the more troubling posts earlier in this thread. You last few folks have really provided that for me, and have reaffirmed what I think is best for me to do:

1) Not visit in February, alone. However, we are visiting (my whole family) her in March. I will look for opportunities to be more expressive of my love for her. What has made this thread so very difficult for me is the harsh accusations that this plan of mine was too me-centered. I admitted that at the outset, it's true. But I didn't know why it was that way, and now I do: I just needed a reminder that you can love someone without feeling responsible for them. (I haven't had much of that kind of loving in my life recently, what with two small, reckless children and a husband who is finishing medical residency.)

2) Work on my relationship with her in general, but specifically through a written journal that we can both send back and forth. There is so much left unsaid from those years when I was the 10 year old making dinner and folding laundry for a mother who was too exhausted by working three or four jobs at a time to help us make ends meet. It is no wonder I am having difficulty discerning what my role as "daughter" is, and what hers as mother is, too-- by necessity, they were shaken up when the divorce turned everything we thought our futures would be upside down.

3) Work on my feelings about food and weight as relative only to me. I am not heavy, and have never been, but I have always been terrified of being so. I am sure it is more loaded of a topic than I'd like to admit. I won't be at this stage for a long time, I think, but it helps to know it's out there.

Thank you again to those who were so kind. But also to those who have been honest. I apologize if my own short-sightedness was offensive in some way to those of you who are battling issues of this sort.
post #45 of 51
Aletheia, I find you refreshing open-minded in taking in all these different posts and not putting up a defensive wall.
You have really looked inward to discover what it is thats going on in your heart in regard to your mother.
I see you as experiencing a tremendous amount of growth and self-discovery in your search for answers.
I have alot of respect for you and your journey.
Your family is very fortunate to have you in their midst.
post #46 of 51
First off I just wanted to say to the OP that I love posters like you that want to hear all opinions. I think that is great. Second I can tell how much you love your Mom and how much you worry about her. I see that you have good intentions.

That being said as someone who is 200 lbs I would be absolutely mortified if anyone in my family dropped in on me for a surprise visit and tried to talk to me about my weight. My parents have been pretty vocal and blunt about my weight, that they worry about me, that I would feel better and have higher self esteem etc if I was thinner. For me it has really cut deep. I know I need to lose weight and have struggled with it ever since I had kids. It is something that I will never give up on. Someday I will lose the weight...but for today I am just doing my best and need to know that people love and accept me for who I am, no matter what the number on the scale. I think your motive is prob. more geared about being worried about your Mother's health and not the way she looks etc but I guess for me weight is such a touchy subject and I don't think it is something I would ever feel comfortable bringing up to someone in terms of wanting them to lose weight. Most of us that are overweight already feel the guilt of not being a good role model, not being able to do enough with our kids or grandkids etc. I am not sure if your Mom needs a brutally honest reminder of that.

If it were me I would visit her and maybe if you have a chance to bring up Curves and she again says she can't afford it you could offer to pay her membership. I would not say anything about her weight though. Good luck with whatever you decide. It is your Mom, you know her best and I am sure you know what she would or would not react well to.
post #47 of 51
My Mom & I are VERY close. In our case the tables are turned with the weight & it is I that struggles with her weight & due to medical issues it is more difficult (or next to impossible) to lose weight. My Mom tells me all the time I can do it but you know what, it doesn't matter one iota - I do not believe it & her saying it just makes me feel that much more alone in the journey because I no longer feel I can talk to her about my struggles & especially my struggle with my mindset because she is so adament that "I can do it!".

And quite frankly as someone who admits she has never been overweight you canNOT understand what she is going through - you just can't. And having someone whom has never struggled with their weight say something is SOOOOO much worse.
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by sophiesgrandma View Post
Aletheia, I find you refreshing open-minded in taking in all these different posts and not putting up a defensive wall.
You have really looked inward to discover what it is thats going on in your heart in regard to your mother.
I see you as experiencing a tremendous amount of growth and self-discovery in your search for answers.
I have alot of respect for you and your journey.
Your family is very fortunate to have you in their midst.
I agree with sophiesgrandma 100%!

With weight being such a sensitive topic, doing something because you care can often come across as negative to the person w/ the weight issue.

I think the journal idea sounds wonderful! I hope that helps you and your mother communicate on a deeper level.
post #49 of 51
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Originally Posted by Aletheia View Post
I want to be clear that I am very thankful for all the responses- even the brutally honest ones.

Please don't spare me any more of that honesty. Help me determine exactly what those of you who feel this visit would be a bad idea think my stance on my mom's weight should be. And yes, I do think I can have a stance. I cannot ignore it. Trying to ignore it has only served to distance me from her. So... I would never actually write a letter like this-- I'm just trying to determine what the "message" is that I should be sending to her and myself about this topic:

"Dear Mom-
I accept your difficulties with your weight as your own problem. I am here to support you if you can think of anything you need me to do. If your health declines more readily than it would otherwise, I accept that it is my job to sit by and hold your hand and take care of you, but not step in and try to change the path you are on. I am sorry that you are on a path that keeps you from being fully active in your grandchildren's childhoods. I know that must be very difficult for you. And I am very sad that this path might take you away from me and from my children faster than any of us would like, but I accept that you are doing all that you can do to change that and that you will ask for my help when and if you need it. I will be here through all of it and I promise to do my best to understand what I should do to support you."

I can see that this is probably over the top. But this does seem to be what you guys (most of you) are saying is the best thing? To just sit by and clean up messes after they are made? I may not be phrasing it the most flattering way, but if this is what most people think is the right path then I a sure there is a better way to say it.
I wanted to chime in and say I think you are doing a wonderful thing!

You aren't being negative or hateful - you are trying to be helpful.

My mom is overweight and I worry for her constantly. Please post an update after your visit.
post #50 of 51
1. Hashimoto's Disease is HYPOthyroidism not hyper. and yes there is a VERY real reason why it can be near impossible if not so to lose weight having it. It is attacking her thyroid gland until it will eventually be destroyed. Not fun. And it causes a buttload of other problems and the easiest of those is fast weight gain, like depression, extreme muscle and joint pain, brain fog etc etc. It could take years to find the right combo med to take to feel a little bit better but because hashi's bounces around could for most be impossible to gage day by day. She should be eating things like brocolli or cauliflower as it makes it worse.. same with flouride foundin high volumes in tea.

2. She's 61. I would guess 90% of 61 year olds don't bounce off the couch like a 4 year old. Give her a break. Be greatful she's still here.

3. I'm guessing 100% of people out there couldn't fly off of a couch at a kid beelining it down a flight of stairs no matter their shape. Thank God she's ok but I would be careful where you put blame. I am sure she feels horrible about it and relives it everyday without you making a bad comment.

4. 200# and you want an intervention? seriously? seriously? My mom was 5' and 199 and I GUESS she carried it well cuz she looked like a tiny fragile little lady to me.

5. A fat intervention only serves to humiliate a person. It has ZERO other purpose. She knows she's fat. She's been on more diets than you've ever thought of. Leave her alone.

6. You're not even around. What else has she got to keep herself company besides food? Maybe you should consider moving closer to her. You don't know when it will be her time and you are wasting prescious moments with her by thinking of ways to ridicule her. Don't hurt her. She's alone already. She doesn't need the pain that will lead to severe depression and wither her health away permanently.

7. My mom spent her entire life dieting. Trying pills, groups.. you name it she did it. She wasted her life worrying about how "fat" she was when she needed to be learning how BEAUTIFUL she was. When I emptied out her drawers when she DIED all i saw were pills and magazine after stupid magazine and books upon books about weight loss. And I knew she would get sad and frustrated. Do you want your mom to think about how fat she is and what a loser her daughter thinks she is that she won't even visit or bring her kids to visit because she a loser? Do you want ehr life to be filled with diets? Can you imagine how it feels (I can) to wake up to every single day in sadness because you are still fat no matter what you do and no one thinks of you as beautiful no matter what they may say to your face. Wouldn't it kill you to know she wasted her life thinking she was ugly? I'm being blunt here, I don't know how long she has 1 day 20 years.. but to spend 40 of those already on stupid diets and feeling worthless is 20 too many and it's time that she knows she doesn't have to do that sht anymore. That it's time to live for HER. You stop life when you yo yo diet and she is yo- yoing. It's time to accept of herself as is and love herself as is no matter if she DOES lose weight or doesn't. It does NOT matter. Do you want her to die thinking crap I wished I had lost that 5 pounds or do you want her to think I am so happy I saw my daughter and that she loves me to no end and thinks I'm beautiful and that I did a good job raising her and I can't wait to see her tomorrow. Or she could go to sleep thinking about her next stupid diet. To see all those stupid books and stupid crap in my dead moms house I wish she would have thrown it all out and LIVED for today. Lived for fun for happiness and never once thought she was fat. WTF cares if she's fat she was amazingly beautiful.

Don't be that person. Don't make her last years sad and uncomfrtable and hurtful. Have you ever been completely alone? She has. Please. Leave her alone. People have left her and she should be with her family andjoying her grandbabies and being happy.. not worrying about yet another stupid weight loss program!

You want to help her? Tell her to throw all that sht out (b/c yo yo dieting and pills are actually MORE harmful than just being plain fat. It harms your body much worse.) and tell her you love her as she is and she needs to see how beautiful she is. If she wants some healthy recipes you will send her some. If she wants to plan a vacation with you (I couldn't imagine going on vacation without my mom as we were never able to) then she might start eating healthy just so she feels good to go on that vacation. But being healthy in a different way. Not because she's ugly or grotesque but because she is excited to do something with YOU.

I pray to you. Please don't hurt her. She doesn't deserve it. She needs to be loved now more than ever. At this point you have turned into the mom and it's YOUR responsibility to make sure SHE feels loved and to no longer be a selfish kid.

Telling someone they are ugly (fat) will only make them cry. It will not make them healthier, it will not make them work harder than they have in the past... it will only absolutely irrevocably break their heart and the sound of your words will emminate across her mind for eternity.

Please make sure she knows you love her and that she's PERFECT just as she is. When someone is loved and knows they are beautiful.. everything else will fall into place. Love is the most important thing.

I am sitting here crying because it hurts to know these things. Trust me dieting till you die is no way to live. If she can't lose it who cares. I wish every day my mom would have quit dieting and accepted herself as beautiful. don't screw this up.
post #51 of 51
she is absolutely not on a "path" to self destruction but YOU are. Disease is forever and telling her it's HER fault for having a disease is also heart breaking. It is time for you to move on. I hate to say this but if you don't love your mom enough to see she's beautiful maybe she should drop you. You seem to be very toxic for a person who never even sees her and threatens her after a very unfortunate accident to never be with your kids again.
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