Anyone going to see the Passion tonight? - Page 2

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... by pamamidwife
... My dh told me that for years after performances of The Passion in Germany, Jews were frequently beaten up on the street.

Is this true? Does anyone know?

p'm'm'dwife, DaryLLL was much more delicate and subtle in her response than I would be.

Won't send you to the other thread, though it's a good place to go. I feel it needs to be said on every thread ...

What your DH told you is a major understatement ... Jews were murdered en masse, entire communities wiped out, by a populace that was whipped up into a frenzy by performances of The Passion Plays. Gov't officials looking to start these rampages would specifically stage Passion Plays for that purpose.







And that is the *only* reason any Jews have been upset about this movie. Jews *did not* protest against any other depiction of Jesus in any other movie ever. This is it. For this specific reason. And particularly because of the sharp upswing in anti-Semitism at this particular time in the world, it has many Jews very nervous.

Me included.

[Bladestar5]

This movie did NOT make me mad at the Jews of today....How can people blame them? It is like blaming the white people of today for their ancestors having slaves Not to mention, some of the Jews in Christ's day were his followers.

I do wish Mel would go and direct a movie about Christ's LIFE now.

[DaryLLL]

Originally posted by Bladestar5
I do wish Mel would go and direct a movie about Christ's LIFE now.

Not gonna happen. Mel is all about the violence. Or haven't you noticed?

My dh saw The Patriot and was disgusted by the violence. I saw Braveheart twice, and while I did enjoy the kilt lifting scene, I had to close my eyes for the torture scene. At the time, I said to myself, "Self, Mel is thinking of himself as a Christ figure."



For the life of X, maybe watch The Last Temptation of Christ instead?

[Bladestar5]

I will have to do that. You know, I have noticed there is NO movie about Christ that has laid out a story exactly as the Bible tells it. Even the Jesus movie that was distributed door-to-door by the church has things missing, or different
No wonder some people are disillusioned.

[DaryLLL]

Bladestar, that is because the Bible doesn't tell a consistent story. The nativity, for ex, is only in Matthew and Luke and they don't match, nor do their geneologies.

In John, Jesus is not baptised by the Baptist.

Another ex. (and I've got dozens), when did Jesus become God's Son/Annointed? At the resurrection (Paul)? At his baptism (Mark)? At his conception (Matthew and Luke)? Pre the creation of the world (John)?

There have been movies made, the Gospel of Matthew, The Gospel of John (I think), that adhere to one version of J's life only, which is fair.

[pamamidwife]

Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the other thread. I will go check it out.

[Paxetbonum]

Originally posted by DaryLLL
Bladestar, that is because the Bible doesn't tell a consistent story. The nativity, for ex, is only in Matthew and Luke and they don't match, nor do their geneologies.

In John, Jesus is not baptised by the Baptist.

Another ex. (and I've got dozens), when did Jesus become God's Son/Annointed? At the resurrection (Paul)? At his baptism (Mark)? At his conception (Matthew and Luke)? Pre the creation of the world (John)?

There have been movies made, the Gospel of Matthew, The Gospel of John (I think), that adhere to one version of J's life only, which is fair.

I have always found this proof of their historicity. If four people tell EXACTLY the same story, it seems a little. . . er. . . contrived and fake.

If four people tell basically the same story with discrepencies it seems much more true to life.

I mean if I was going to make up some religion and write some fake documents to prove it, would I put discrepancies in the text? No way! I would make it all one big easy read.

Also keep in mind that the authors of the Gospel were all martyred except for John who they tried to kill but couldn't. Don't you think ONE of them would have confessed that it was all a big hoax?

[sleeping queen]

Paxetbonum, If you questioned 4 people watching an accident each will give you a slightly different account. It doesn't mean any of them are wrong they just seen the accident from different angles.

[DaryLLL]

Typical apologia.

[~Megan~]

I would like to see it to. Hmm, maybe "like" isn't the word.

I don't know why people would be mad at Jews. Even if it were the fault of Jews...it was the fault of those specific people who did it, not their descendants. Of course I might be wrong but I thought it was the Romans who did the actual killing and beating. Do pepl get mad at the Italians? Seems utterly ridiculous to me.

[Friendlymama]

You couldn't pay me to see this movie. The previews alone make me want to vomit.

When I was 8 years old, I remember seeing a movie about the life and death of Jesus. It was graphic, and I was very disturbed by it. Grossed out, actually. It didn't make me a "believer," it just made me disgusted.

I'm pretty sure I'd have the same reaction this time around too.

I've never seen Braveheart or the Patriot or the Matrix because of the violence, so I'm sure not gonna see this one.

[Paxetbonum]

Originally posted by DaryLLL
Typical apologia.

which you apparentley have no answer to. . . . . . .

I feel insulted that my arguments are written off by being judged and compartmentalized.

In many respects your criticism of the bible are "typical." I do not judge and compartmentalize you because of this.

I have tried to follow the scholastic rules of debate. I refrain from ad hominum attacks. I only ask as much of others.

I will no longer post in this topic.

peace and good,

anna

[DaryLLL]

Pax, I have other biblical threads to attend to. Perhaps join me (us) there?

[TranscendentalMom]

Originally posted by amarasmom
I would like to see it to. Hmm, maybe "like" isn't the word.

I don't know why people would be mad at Jews. Even if it were the fault of Jews...it was the fault of those specific people who did it, not their descendants. Of course I might be wrong but I thought it was the Romans who did the actual killing and beating. Do pepl get mad at the Italians? Seems utterly ridiculous to me.

Even if people did get mad at the Jews its ridiculous because they obviously don't understand their own religion. Jesus was born to die on the cross. It was his destiny which he ALLOWED to happen out of love for us. You can't say he willingly died for our sins and then get mad at the people who killed him. Makes no sense.

I wonder if the movie gets that point across or does it just make people angry? Can anyone comment?

[Bladestar5]

I agree totally.