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post #1 of 12
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I've just started to explore the idea of workboxes as I try to get our HSing a little more organized b/c I feel a bit scattered with our day and what we accomplish. Our HSing day feels like chaos. Our DD is an only so it's not as if I need to keep her "occupied" while I tend to another, but I do have other things I need to do. Right now we are doing everything together with very little independent work. And it basically ends up taking the whole day b/c we're not as focused. I love being with her, but I do need to have her do some independent work plus I need to get some things done.

Anyhoo...I'd like to hear from people who have tried workboxes, but it didn't work out for them or if you didn't try it, why not...or what you modified about it, etc. I haven't purchased Sue Patrick's book. If I try this system I may do that, but I am so tired of buying books and resources to "improve" my HSing already, iykwim. I'd rather not get into the yahoo group about WB yet as I also don't need another web site to take time from my day...

Thanks for any advice.
post #2 of 12
fwiw, i own the e-book and i do not see it as necessary. there is enough info at the workbox yahoo group that you can create a tailor-made system to work for your family. the downfall of workboxes is that you have to fill them, lol. also, imo, they require flexibility... they are meant to work for you & not the other way around, ykwim? for us, workboxes were incorporated to simplify our day and create time for more "fun" projects that we seemed to be leaving out. having said that though, i honestly don't use them daily anymore. half of them have become storage bins however, they did help create a groove and rhythm to our day & i have definitely found a way to make "fun" a daily part of what we do. i think if you use them in a manner that is helpful (tweaking as you go) you may love it. the good news is, the storage bins are wonderful! even if you find the method is a flop for you, the storage bins will always serve a purpose hth.
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by elizawill View Post
having said that though, i honestly don't use them daily anymore. half of them have become storage bins however, they did help create a groove and rhythm to our day & i have definitely found a way to make "fun" a daily part of what we do.
I'm curious how many people have abandoned the workbox system after some time. It sounds like a terrific way to stay on top of tasks. Yet, I wonder if, like every other system, the novelty eventually wears off and mom and the dc lose interest. I could see getting tired of filling boxes, though if you're already planning your day/lessons, it's pretty much the same thing--just that it's all organized very visually. However, I don't want to become a slave to any sytem either.

After a child does the work of one box (for example, a math page in a workbook where the completed page remains in the workbook), where does the workbook go? Back on the book shelf with all other books? I am keeping books/curriculum currently in use in a different place than all the other reference type books. I'm curious how others organize their books and curriculum. For example, I have a bunch of reference-type science books and we're using Considering God's Creation for our science curriculum. I often refer to those other books, but I don't keep CGC mixed in with those books b/c it is our main book. kwim or am I confusing anyone?
post #4 of 12
I keep quitting and coming back. First of all, I find them a pain in the butt to fill and it takes me forever at the only time of night I get sans children. Second of all, I am totally unimaginative at filling them. I see people fill them with all kids of cool activities, but honestly, to me it feels like busy work most of the time which is one of the reasons we don't go to public school. Some people can do it, I just feel like I am not one of those people.
post #5 of 12
yea, my problem also was actually filling the boxes. i didn't have trouble finding ideas.... i just got sick of doing it honestly (and especially since i didn't feel the "need" for them anymore, it was becoming a waste of my time, ykwim?). plus, my daughter does the same thing for language arts and math every day - so those items just stayed in the box. i did not follow sue patrick's suggestion of emptying the box, as that seemed rather pointless. for science, art, history/geography, etc. i've found we like to incorporate a lot of crafts, etc. and often the items needed don't fit into the box... so i just got further and further away from it i guess
post #6 of 12
I like work boxes a lot. The really help with organization. I have a 7 drawer Sterlite cart for my 1st grader and a 4 drawer cart for my preschooler. The drawers they are the perfect, because there are larger ones for games, puzzles, science experiments, and craft items.The smaller ones hold the books perfect and flat.I set up homeschooltracker with 7 or less "subjects" a day and I honestly can't see doing any more at this point. I don't find filling them to much of a pain, because some boxes don't change all that much. I( have also found it helpful when I remember to change them during the day right after school, so it isn't taking away from my time at night. I usually have a game box, for an educational game, but I try to avoid to many "fun boxes". I make our school time fun and hands on, but I don't want to regulate play time. Not sure I'm making sense. We do not have a dedicated school room so the boxes really help with storage. My DD can also see exactly what we are doing for the day and for the most part she can choose what order to do it. Here is what we had in our boxes today:

-Morning meeting, this box has to be done first. It is calendar, a few songs, and some type of review. Like today we had a flash card game for math facts. Discuss daily plans, etc....
-Bible
-our book for the week and a map skills file folder game (today was a S.S. day the rest of our lesson was oral.)
-writing (choice between two writing worksheets)
-Math lesson and manipulative to go with lesson
-Reading, HOP phonics and a compound word game
-Stuff for our paper mache project. I made her do this one last because of how messy it is.


edited to add, we have been using them about 3-4 months, do not own the e-book, belong to the yahoo group but almost never check the mail.
post #7 of 12
We use ours as storage bins mostly. I'm not sure I really gave workboxes a chance, and I'd love to try again later this year.

BUT FIRST... Just so you know I got the default setup with the inexpensive shelf and bins at Target. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, and did not like how our books had to curl up inside the bins. I want them to lay flat. I also didn't like how flimsy the shelf was (it falls apart sometimes), and how it looks in our homeschool room. So, I am eyeing the Ikea Trofast system with bins. Just googling "Ikea Trofast workboxes" sends me into a frenzy! Drooling over those beautiful workbox systems...
post #8 of 12
We use them intermittently, but that's kind of by design: the "workboxes" are kind of a placeholder for where we leave off since we don't "school" consistently. In that respect., it works well for us.

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Originally Posted by NaturalMamma View Post
I could see getting tired of filling boxes, though if you're already planning your day/lessons, it's pretty much the same thing--just that it's all organized very visually. However, I don't want to become a slave to any sytem either.

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I keep quitting and coming back. First of all, I find them a pain in the butt to fill and it takes me forever at the only time of night I get sans children.
For me, it kind of forced me to plan and really think about what we were doing vs. trying to wing it all the time. PITA? Yeah, but then so is planning, IMO. Especially if you're relatively new. Over the course of a few months of filling these boxes, I had to actually sit down and align what I was putting in the boxes to some actual annual objectives. Homeschool Skedtrack helped me lay it out time-wise and resource-wise. Turns out, about half of the resources I had could go in the attic for the year. Bonus.

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After a child does the work of one box (for example, a math page in a workbook where the completed page remains in the workbook), where does the workbook go? Back on the book shelf with all other books? I am keeping books/curriculum currently in use in a different place than all the other reference type books. I'm curious how others organize their books and curriculum. For example, I have a bunch of reference-type science books and we're using Considering God's Creation for our science curriculum. I often refer to those other books, but I don't keep CGC mixed in with those books b/c it is our main book. kwim or am I confusing anyone?

We altered the system. We use this stack of 2" high, 12"x12" drawers & each has a little laminated color 2"x2" piece of paper that is velcro'd to the front of each drawer and the bottom 3 drawers have a 2"x2" paper with a pic of a mother and child, labeled "Work with Mommy" (also laminated). I put the work in the drawer and when he's done, he puts it back in the drawer and moves the color or the other label to a sheet on top of the drawer stack. I only put the little patches of color/labels on the drawers that have work in them. Mine reads, so I can often just give him instructions on where to find something too big for the box (like a puzzle). If we do a worksheet, I either rip it out or a photocopy it (so I can eventually use for his younger sister ).

So the finished work stays in the box. Then I can look it all over. We DID buy a folder for finished work, but that's not really working out for us.

All my curriculum/resource books are in a place the kids can't get at it. They don't need to touch them.


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Originally Posted by kittywitty View Post
Second of all, I am totally unimaginative at filling them. I see people fill them with all kids of cool activities, but honestly, to me it feels like busy work most of the time which is one of the reasons we don't go to public school. Some people can do it, I just feel like I am not one of those people.
I'm not sure if you mean that filling the boxes is always busy work even if it's "cool stuff"? Or just that you can't think of cool stuff and wind up putting in busy work? Or that the system is akin to public school in general?

One of my son's "box" items was to use his camera and a list I printed out (each letter of the alphabet with a line after it) to take pictures of something he could find with each letter of the alphabet. Busy work? I guess it depends on your definition. He has also had "assignments" that include drawing a picture of different animals in their homes and labeling them or collecting 3 different kinds of shoes in the house and grouping them based on what's similar (according to him--he'll tell me what the similarity is later) or using a particular item from his "instrument bin" to make 3 different kinds of sounds (that he'll show me later) and make up a song. Sometimes I give him some "ingredients" for him to create something (anything).

*I* don't find that stuff to be busy work, but again, that really depends on your definition. When I fill it with a dot-to-dot (to reinforce counting or counting by 2s or 5s) or a book to read or a puzzle to do, that might be by some people's definition busy work but I try to have a purpose to that stuff. I'm not a huge fan of worksheets, but my kid is definitely a "worksheet kid" (thanks preschool ). So we definitely do some of those. THOSE (to me) are definite busy work.

And the idea of my son actually having to be responsible (on some level) for his own learning is 1) an indicator to me of his motivation to learn at the moment (since I can't always "read" him right this way); and 2) a good habit for him to get into in terms of being self-directed and self-reliant.
post #9 of 12
Well, I am a planner. A way too obsessed with planning Virgo, actually. But I just could not figure out what to put in the workboxes. I think I also felt a little pressured to fill up all the files/boxes to the same number everyone else does. The kids do like them, though.

I guess most of the "cool stuff" I can think of for my kids is not very...workboxy friendly? But really, we mostly just read books, play outside, and such.

Like I said me=workboxing dud.
post #10 of 12
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BUT FIRST... Just so you know I got the default setup with the inexpensive shelf and bins at Target. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, and did not like how our books had to curl up inside the bins. I want them to lay flat. I also didn't like how flimsy the shelf was (it falls apart sometimes), and how it looks in our homeschool room. So, I am eyeing the Ikea Trofast system with bins. Just googling "Ikea Trofast workboxes" sends me into a frenzy! Drooling over those beautiful workbox systems...
I also noticed that about the books not laying flat. That bothered me. I've been running all this by DH who is also a perfectionist and he noticed that right away.

You've probably seen Robin's design at Heart of Wisdom...that looks like the system you're eyeing. http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/my-tea...ntable-labels/ I like it too.

I'm thinking I want a system to keep our daily work separated by subject. I have a few curriculum books that I use almost daily and since I don't keep them on the bookshelf with all my other books, I'm wondering if I can utilize this sytem in that way...
post #11 of 12
I actually just started using workboxes, and my kids love them (10yo dd and 3yo ds). I found 3 drawer towers at Family Dollar in purple and bright blue, and dd has two sets (6 drawers total) plus two clear bins (for other subjects/items) and ds has one set (3 drawers total) plus two clear bins (again, for other items).

Three of dd's drawers stay the same - Saxon math 54 textbook w/ graph paper (helps keep #'s in one spot each and lined up when working problems), her Lang Arts textbook w/ paper and pencil, and a small drawer holds the day's journal topic/paper/pencil. The rest of her drawers change everyday (we school Saturday through Wednesday due to my work schedule).

DS's drawers change everyday unless there's an activity he just loved that I keep out for an extra day.

I haven't started using a schedule yet - that's next week - for now they just get to do the workboxes in any order they want.

Here's what today looked like:
1 - Saxon math
2 - quick science demo of the alimentary tube using yarn, ruler, paper
3 - lang arts
4 - journal
5 - Grossology book w/ four pages assigned to read and materials to make an ear wax detector (fun!)
6 - "pick a stick" (this is something I made up - I wrote the names of educational sites on popsicle sticks and stuck them in a clean icing container; she picks one w/out looking and plays it for 20 minutes)
7 - "Human Body" book w/ @ 20 pages assigned for today's reading selection (this is a great book w/ lots of full color pics of our insides and how they work!)
8 - quick math skills work w/ a scale, an apple, and a little card that read "You will eat @ 100,000 lbs of food in your lifetime. If all you ate were apples, how many apples would it take to equal 100,000 lbs?")

It's fun, and we are really enjoying them. I love having it all together before school starts the next day. There's definitely a difference b/n planning and knowing what you're going to need for school the next day, and HAVING what you're going to need already gathered into one spot for school when you wake up! This made our day go MUCH faster today.

3yo ds LOVES his boxes. I fill them w/ different activities daily.

Today he had:
1 - buttons and beads plus two small pick up sticks to string them
2 - five empty kitchen bottles w/ their lids to match up (and smell - they were all empty spice containers......mmmmmmm......)
3 - a "new" book (new to him)
4 - puzzle cards (these fit together in three's and spell words such as cow, dog, cub.....he liked these a lot)
5 - divided up lunch tray w/ magnetic #'s 6, 7, and 8 as well as a bag of M&M's (he counted six into the 6 tray, seven into the 7 tray, and so on)

I love them!
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by Jeannettea View Post
I actually just started using workboxes, and my kids love them (10yo dd and 3yo ds). I found 3 drawer towers at Family Dollar in purple and bright blue, and dd has two sets (6 drawers total) plus two clear bins (for other subjects/items) and ds has one set (3 drawers total) plus two clear bins (again, for other items).

Three of dd's drawers stay the same - Saxon math 54 textbook w/ graph paper (helps keep #'s in one spot each and lined up when working problems), her Lang Arts textbook w/ paper and pencil, and a small drawer holds the day's journal topic/paper/pencil. The rest of her drawers change everyday (we school Saturday through Wednesday due to my work schedule).

DS's drawers change everyday unless there's an activity he just loved that I keep out for an extra day.

I haven't started using a schedule yet - that's next week - for now they just get to do the workboxes in any order they want.

Here's what today looked like:
1 - Saxon math
2 - quick science demo of the alimentary tube using yarn, ruler, paper
3 - lang arts
4 - journal
5 - Grossology book w/ four pages assigned to read and materials to make an ear wax detector (fun!)
6 - "pick a stick" (this is something I made up - I wrote the names of educational sites on popsicle sticks and stuck them in a clean icing container; she picks one w/out looking and plays it for 20 minutes)
7 - "Human Body" book w/ @ 20 pages assigned for today's reading selection (this is a great book w/ lots of full color pics of our insides and how they work!)
8 - quick math skills work w/ a scale, an apple, and a little card that read "You will eat @ 100,000 lbs of food in your lifetime. If all you ate were apples, how many apples would it take to equal 100,000 lbs?")

It's fun, and we are really enjoying them. I love having it all together before school starts the next day. There's definitely a difference b/n planning and knowing what you're going to need for school the next day, and HAVING what you're going to need already gathered into one spot for school when you wake up! This made our day go MUCH faster today.

3yo ds LOVES his boxes. I fill them w/ different activities daily.

Today he had:
1 - buttons and beads plus two small pick up sticks to string them
2 - five empty kitchen bottles w/ their lids to match up (and smell - they were all empty spice containers......mmmmmmm......)
3 - a "new" book (new to him)
4 - puzzle cards (these fit together in three's and spell words such as cow, dog, cub.....he liked these a lot)
5 - divided up lunch tray w/ magnetic #'s 6, 7, and 8 as well as a bag of M&M's (he counted six into the 6 tray, seven into the 7 tray, and so on)

I love them!
ahhhhhhhhhh sounds lovely
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