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An interesting quote from Dr. Price

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"The basic foods should be the entire grains such as whole wheat, rye or oats, whole wheat and rye breads, wheat and oat cereals, oatcake, dairy products, including milk and cheese, which should be used liberally, and marine foods. All sea foods are high in minerals and constitute one of the very best foods you could eat. Canned fish such as sardines, tuna or salmon are all excellent; also the fresh fish such as oysters, halibut, haddock, etc. The protein requirement can be provided each day in one egg or a piece of meat equivalent to the bulk of one egg a day. The meals can be amply modified and varied with vegetables, raw and cooked, the best of the cooked vegetables being lentils used as a soup.
There are only a few foods that would give you your fat-soluble vitamins. These are eighter fish products, including practically all fresh water and salt water foods, milk, cheese and butter made from cows that have been on a rapidly growing green young wheat, either fresh or stored grass, particularly butter made in June. This is much richer than butter made during other seasons of the year."
-Weston A Price, DDS Letter to His Nieces and Nephews 1934

I don't know if other mamas have been feeling left out lately besides me, since grain free seems to monopolize the TF forums lately, but to all those other TF mamas who love their grains, or need them to keep food on their plates, a reminder that there are many paths to TF and good nutrition, not just one way.

I was browsing through my NT today, and saw this quote in the side bar. It actually really amazed me. given the focus we often have on protein and fat. All of your protein requirement can be filled with 1 egg a day? certainly not for everyone, but it makes eating all pastured seem so much more accessible. I most certainly can't feed 25 % protein 60% fat and afford good meat, but that isn't much. Now it does sound like he means fish and dairy to be in addition to that, but still.

Hearing Price's depression era advice is useful to me as a grain-loving, on a tight budget trying to eat nutritiously gal.
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Another interesting thing I read this week, which adds to this, is a study they did with grain/legume-based protein. They found that rats who had to get their protein only from grain/legume sources had a very poor absorption and growth rate, but the addition of even a very little animal product increased the absorption of the grain/legume-based protein by huge amounts. Growth increased, absorption increased, just from the addition of the human equivalent of one sardine per meal per day.

I'll look for the exact quote to add later. It was very comforting, though, to realize that the soup I make with garbanzo beans and rice as the main protein and lots of chicken broth and bits of meat to support it, really is supportive! It really helps, protein-wise, to have that broth and those bits of meat; it makes the rice and garbanzo beans very useful to our bodies.
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Originally Posted by Magelet View Post
I don't know if other mamas have been feeling left out lately besides me, since grain free seems to monopolize the TF forums lately, but to all those other TF mamas who love their grains, or need them to keep food on their plates, a reminder that there are many paths to TF and good nutrition, not just one way.
I have thought to myself many times lately, "Since when does TF = grain free?" It seemed to have happened really quickly. I am all for people eating what feels right for their bodies, but I would hate for newcomers to get the idea that avoiding grains is what this board is all about. Maybe it's time for a paleo/grain free sub-forum?
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Yeah I'm pretty new to TF and was wondering about all the grain free biz.
I am under the impression that grains are good for us when whole and prepared properly.
Its the denatured grain products we should stay away from.
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I have thought to myself many times lately, "Since when does TF = grain free?" It seemed to have happened really quickly. I am all for people eating what feels right for their bodies, but I would hate for newcomers to get the idea that avoiding grains is what this board is all about. Maybe it's time for a paleo/grain free sub-forum?
I think that's a great idea! I've personally felt bad when newcomers get the idea that TF is all about grain free as well, b/c I certainly don't think it is, and WAPF in particular is all about grains. (And I am grain free, and am loving the grain free threads.) I do think having a separate sub-forum could be really helpful for the grain free/paleo folks. (And help avoid confusion on what TF is all about for everyone else, esp for newcomers.)

How do you go about creating a sub-forum here?
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Yay! I love my grains!

I've also recently been looking at it from a Biblical standpoint (we're Christian) and I often like to look at the dietary laws that were given to the Jews as I can't imagine God prescribing an unhealthy diet for them. Grains and breads are often spoken of and consumed. Even Jesus called himself the Bread of Life, so certainly bread is not such an awful thing!

Right now I eat soaked oatmeal, homemade bread from freshly ground grain, and quinoa primarily.
post #7 of 51
I think a sub-forum is a great idea because like pps, TF is certainly not grain-exclusionary! But it could seem that way from the front page of this forum some days.

I don't eat very much grain, but I need some with eggs and meats or I feel terrible. I was grain-free for 7 yrs and also during that time ate little meats at all. When I reintroduced meats, after a short while, I had a piece of sprouted bread and was shocked at how great I felt after eating. I didn't realise how bad I was feeling until I had that piece of bread and felt so good!

Anyway, now I have two pieces of bread every day or an oatmeal square (made ith eggs and cream, salt and cinnamon), but that's it for me. I don't feel better with more and I don't feel good with less, so that's what I eat.

My eldest son and dh, OTOH, would love to sit down and eat a whole loaf of fresh bread in a sitting, each! They don't, but they'd love to! My other three dc are like me- 2 pieces of bread is a maximum, or an oatmeal square and no more.

I have to admit that all the GF stuff has had me wondering and becoming a bit paranoid, so I'm glad that there are still grain-eatin' TF'ers out there! No disrespect to the GF'ers of course; I have seen amazing health benefits to my friend who is GF, but not TF, and can see how this was essential for her and is clearly for others too.
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I was under the impression that a lot of mamas do the whole grain-free thing because they are trying to lose weight? Also, I know that there are lots of people who are GF (gluten-free), but not GF (grain-free). Personally, I don't equate TF with being grain-free, although I do feel best when I limit my grains. I just don't feel all that great when I have a lot of grain- or bean-based dishes, even when properly soaked and prepared. TBH, I don't think I could cut grains out of my diet forever, although I have for a short period and felt good. I would just miss it too much, since I LOVE my sourdough, and my soups and the occasional muffins/quick bread/etc. I think grains are very much a part of a traditional diet; like a PP said, it mentioned several times in the Bible, in lots of other historical documents, etc. I can't believe that it is totally unnatural to eat something with such a long history.
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So funny--I have been thinking about the same thing lately.
ITA Gardenmommy.
I am grain-free (because I am on GAPS for my damaged gut) but I still happily feed my family TF sprouted grains. Price's work showed people thriving on all kinds of foods in different porportions--the key is to eat nutrient dense foods that work for your body.

Sometimes it seems that TF=really high fat. Since I have started eating a little more "balanced" I feel better (calmer and more of a satisfied feeling) and I am enjoying eating a variety of food--especiialy (GAPS legal) root vegetables,, honey in my tea..... I have food/body issues so when I started to turn TF into another type of deprivation diet things went bad for me (if that makes sense). I guess I am bored with over-intellectualizing food and just want to be nourished and happy.When my gut is healed I probably still won't eat lots of grains because I am more of a protein-type but I do plan on adding some gluten-free grains back in. Amaranth porridge tastes realllly good on winter morning!
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I was under the impression that a lot of mamas do the whole grain-free thing because they are trying to lose weight?
I also think many folks who choose it are just choosing another kind of traditional diet, for health reasons--a traditional paleo diet, you know? Price studied some groups of people (mostly hunter gatherers) who were totally grain free as well, which is why I think posts on grain free diets fit in this forum. (I came to it after learning about GAPS--we've been working on healing the gut and food sensitivities here.) But I can also see how some newcomers might be confused on the grains issue (irt TF) coming in and seeing so many grain free posts!

I'm all for starting a grain free subforum--I think it would keep things a lot more organized/easier to find. Does anyone know how to go about doing that? (I'd personally love to help get it started!)

ETA: I wrote to one of the mods about this--maybe its a possibility.
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Amaranth porridge tastes realllly good on winter morning!
Please, share your recipe!
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I just want to say thanks to the OP! I am one of those TF newbies and have been feeling overwhelmed by the transition in general - and really really overwhelmed by the idea of eventually going GF! As a newbie, it was coming across as TF = GF, so I'm happy to see it spelled out for me Thanks
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Sometimes it seems that TF=really high fat. Since I have started eating a little more "balanced" I feel better (calmer and more of a satisfied feeling) and I am enjoying eating a variety of food--especiialy (GAPS legal) root vegetables,, honey in my tea..... I have food/body issues so when I started to turn TF into another type of deprivation diet things went bad for me (if that makes sense). I guess I am bored with over-intellectualizing food and just want to be nourished and happy.When my gut is healed I probably still won't eat lots of grains because I am more of a protein-type but I do plan on adding some gluten-free grains back in. Amaranth porridge tastes realllly good on winter morning!
This! IMO, it is easy to over-intellectualize your diet. Eat what makes you feel good, what makes you feel nourished. There are so many things in life to worry about! Don't make what you eat one of them. As long as it is whole foods, junk-food-free, and mostly TF, I think most people (obviously, there will *always* be exceptions to the rule) will be pretty healthy, grains or no grains. Do what works for you. If grains agree with you, then enjoy them. If they don't, then kick them out of your diet.
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Eat what makes you feel good, what makes you feel nourished. There are so many things in life to worry about! Don't make what you eat one of them. As long as it is whole foods, junk-food-free, and mostly TF, I think most people (obviously, there will *always* be exceptions to the rule) will be pretty healthy, grains or no grains. Do what works for you. If grains agree with you, then enjoy them. If they don't, then kick them out of your diet.
I think this is so important, and statements like this are always so helpful and grounding for me. I can be someone who obsesses about this kind of stuff--perfecting my diet, etc., as I find learning a/b and experimenting w/ food/my body really fun and exciting. But I can get too dogmatic at times when I'm learning about stuff, and reminding myself to just follow my body and cravings always brings me back to center and keeps me in balance...
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The ONLY reason I am grain-free is because I am overweight, have eaten IMPROPERLY PREPARED grains and too much sugar for years and years, and I am also probably insulin-resistant and "addicted" to starches/carbs. It's the only way I can figure out to lose weight, I tried it without cutting grains and the weight won't come off.

But long term, I would LOVE to be able to introduce some TF-style grains back in my diet! Store bread and twinkies? No. Some awesome sourdough or soaked oatmeal? Oh, I really hope so. Really really hope so.

So you go, grain-eating mamas!
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Please, share your recipe!
AMARANTH PORRIDGE
Just soak amaranth in water and a little vinegar for 12-24 hours. Then cook in water for maybe 30 minutes (I don't really know how long) until done. I just add butter and raw honey (maybe some sea salt, cinnimon). A side of sausage makes it complete
post #17 of 51
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From what the front page of the TF forum has looked like lately, it sounds to me like a grain-free or gluten free or some combo there-of would be useful (or low carb/grain-free/scd/gaps? I'm not sure exactly what grouping, but it might be useful).

That's really interesting, the study about the rats. I don't know 100%, but I suspect traditionally in a lot of places for most people, their diet was primarily grains and starches, with broth, organs, eggs, milk, and occasionally the toughest cuts of meat supplementing. Think about it. If you need to raise your own cow or chicken, AND then smoke/salt/dry any meat that doesn't get eaten in oh a day? two days? 4 if there is ice on the ground? plus you have to have food/land to graze for the animal, and animals cost money, how often do you have a chicken dinner? or a quarter pound of meat for the whole family? unless you are well off, not often. Now admitedly, I'd say that modeling your diet after the poor isn't nessicarily a good idea, but it is interesting to think about how very very very much more meat we (as in the average american, TF or not) eats than MOST people in probably MOST places, in MOST times (admitedly, possibly not among hunter gatherers, but probably most other people.) and also the different kinds of meat we eat.

for instance: Chickens are definitely more valuable as a layer than as a meat producer. I think about this as thinking about keeping a breeding flock in the future of dual purpose birds, and even if I harvest the young roosters and some of the young hens, and the oldest hens for the stew pot, no way will I be having roast chicken every other week unless I'm buying my meat, which I do now.

I would love that amaranth porridge recipe too.

I feel like one part of TF eating for me, or that I want to be a part of it, is exploring more traditional grains. Growing up, I ate wheat bread and wheat pasta, rice, and oatmeal, and that's about it. Learning about rye, barley, other uses of oats, and lots of other traditional grains is really yummy and interesting to me.
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We're not completely gluten free, although we do limit it. But I really do love my properly prepared oatmeal and sprouted wheat cinnamon raisin bread. And I don't think it's bad for me either, although I know there are those who will disagree with me. We just have to do what's right for us
post #19 of 51
Also thankful for this thread. I was beginning to think that maybe I was missing something critical.

From what I understand, Price recommended a diet that was diverse and balanced, and I apply this to my meal planning by making sure that we aren't only eating wheat but the multitude of grain options that are available such as barley, sorghum, buckwheat, rye, millet, kamut, quinoa, spelt, oat, etc. Before I went TF, my grain diet was mostly wheat based (as would be typical of SAD) - and improperly prepared as well. I *know* I did more carbs than fat. I did severely restrict grains (mostly wheat) while I was doing a major gut healing about 1 1/2 years ago, but my body seemed to thank me when I was able to put grains back in. Now that I have more fat in my diet as well as properly prepared grains, I feel more balanced and healthier.
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I feel like one part of TF eating for me, or that I want to be a part of it, is exploring more traditional grains. Growing up, I ate wheat bread and wheat pasta, rice, and oatmeal, and that's about it. Learning about rye, barley, other uses of oats, and lots of other traditional grains is really yummy and interesting to me.
I'd be interested in a thread like this to share some recipes/ideas.
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