An interesting quote from Dr. Price - Page 3

[pampered_mom]

Originally Posted by Magelet

I was not in ANY way trying to say that this was the ONLY diet he suggusted, merely that it was A diet he suggusted, for those people it works for. I felt that that view had not been as much around on the TF boards as much, and was hoping to spark some interest in discussing grains and their proper preparation and ways to use them and such, for those of us who eat grains, because I find properly preparing and cooking well TF grains one of the hardest parts of TF, and grains are a fairly big part of my diet.

(And knowing that Dr Price said that at least some people could get by on so little meat/egg is incredibly reassuring as we tighten our budget down more and more right now.)

It's not the great depression, B'H, however it is a depressed economy, and I thought Price's advice for those who do handle grains and dairy in a depression would be appreciated by those who can, and are on a tight budget. I just couldn't afford to eat mostly meat or even mostly meat and veggies even if I ate conventional meat, and particularly not to feed my DP that way.

This is exactly how I took the quote - not that it's the one perfect way or that grain free is a perfect way, etc. I suspect the quote is probably from the letters he wrote to his family members and then in that case I think the context can very much apply to those today who find that budget is a concern. If it's not something you can tolerate then it's not something you can tolerate, Ruthla. I don't think anyone else was insisting otherwise.

[crunchy_mama]

Originally Posted by Teenytoona

Also I can't help but think that ok maybe some grains are bad, but maybe it's just that grains in the state that they're commonly processed are bad. Maybe all this sprouting, fermenting, processing and such is the step that we're missing to make the carbohydrates and grains not as harmful or even good. I've never seen a diet system that compared grain-free to processed properly grains, they always seem to go grain-free vs SAD grains (wheat and corn dominant).
I totally agree that sad grains and tf are different and it is certainly better if we don't focus on overused and gmo grains. However,us on the TF forum and grainfree have tried it the TF way and find that even that way grainfree makes us feel better and a lot of info I have read on grainfree is from people that do acknowledge that soakd and sprouted is better, but doesn't work for everyone.
ANd truth be told, many of the grain free diets seem to stress at least one salad a day, and honestly, I just don't dig greens that much. I always see that one salad as a chore I'll have to live with, and eating food shouldn't be chorish (even if preparing it is).

I'd like to say yeah that to the PP who mentioned that she's getting tired of over-intellectualizing her food and wants it to be fun again.

I also go through phases where I put more or less emphasis on obtaining the ideal diet and I am at peace w/ that, so I can totally understand that- but I enjoy my food more and life when the grains are out and I can focus on yummy veggies and meat and fat and all diffrent ways to prepare them.

[Teenytoona]

OH you're right crunchy_mama. I guess I should have clarified meaning all the Primal and Primitive blogs and whatnot. They're the ones that seem to compare only SAD and grain free. Thanks for spotting that, you grain free people here have taught me alot.

[Kino]

Teenytoona I recommend transitioning to TF first then trialing different versions of Paleo. TF will get the processed crap out and get the homecookin fires going. It also offers more variety than Paleo. You get to experience how soaking/fermenting no-no's in Paleo make you feel. Then try Paleo in a year or two and see how your body feels.

I was TF for a couple years before discovering Paleo. I know, at this point in my life, grain and bean/legume-free is best for me. This may change again in another few years.

It was hard going TF! It took a long time to learn how to truly cook for a family!

[BetsyPage]

One thing I keep thinking of is WAPF's emphasis on properly prepared grains and soaking nuts and beans... something that I have not seen emphasized at Mark's Daily Apple or elsewhere. I was listening to an interview with Sally Fallon by Jimmy at "Livin La Vida Low-carb" (cheesy name, good interviews though!) and she said that for her she probably did need to limit grains. However she felt that properly prepared grains had less of a negative effect on blood sugar. And that if she ate something with high gluten or that wasn't prepared properly she really felt it. She gave an example of something that she would eat as a sourdough rye bread slathered with butter. She also mentioned that her husband seems unaffected by eating carbs/grains, is always very calm. So I think that even Sally sees the need to limit properly prepared grains for some people, while others can handle them just fine.

But it does bother me that some of the Paleo people don't even talk about soaking nuts, etc. Like I hear suggestions of snacking on raw almonds that haven't been soaked (or no mention of how to prepare them.) I think if you are GOING to eat grains/seeds a lot that the NT way to make them is key. That's the only way I plan to introduce them back into my diet.

And I'm struggling with mommy guilt because I am really focusing on myself, in terms of cutting grains and losing weight, but I'm letting my kids eat their regular 100% whole grain bread. They eat maybe 4-6 slices a WEEK (and sometimes my 3 yo eats none.) I do feed them plenty of eggs and cheese and butter and raw milk and veggies and roasted meats and soaked oatmeal though. But they also get regular pasta. *sigh* I think once I lose this weight and start adding grains (in SMALL quantities) back to my diet, I'll work on preparing ALL of their grains properly.

[eastkygal]

Originally Posted by AJP

IMO, reading Nutrition and Physical Degeneration directly rather than relying on someone else's interpretation of it is useful, especially in cases like this with the confusion surrounding grains, whether to eat them, the preparation thereof, and what Price himself actually recommended.

Personally, I do fine with most whole grains as part of a balanced meal, and I see no reason to eliminate them in the absence of symptoms of intolerance.

Good advice. I need to do that myself. It is so easy to think am I doing this all wrong eventhough I've kept a significant weight loss off for a year now, and I feel fine eating a diet that includes both properly prepared grains, and sweeteners (natural ones).

Originally Posted by Magelet

Ruth, that was exactly my point. Reading all the grain free threads had me thinking "oh gee, i know I like grains and don't seem to have problems on them, but maybe I need to eliminate them too because clearly they are evil". When I know that I handle properly prepared grains and legumes and lots of starchy carbs very well, and the same with dairy.

Originally Posted by pampered_mom

This is exactly how I took the quote - not that it's the one perfect way or that grain free is a perfect way, etc. I suspect the quote is probably from the letters he wrote to his family members and then in that case I think the context can very much apply to those today who find that budget is a concern. If it's not something you can tolerate then it's not something you can tolerate, Ruthla. I don't think anyone else was insisting otherwise.

I was very relieved to see the original quote last week while making the Roman Lentil Soup. Budget and availability is an issue with us. I am thankful that we do tolerate both grains and dairy here. I have never had issue with grains even those not prepared "properly", but it has been a long while since I have had conventionally prepared grains. I wonder what would happen. So, I feel a lot better having read that. MDC is not the only place it seems grain-free is taking prominence. Another TF group I belong to had this discussion recently too.

[rhiandmoi]

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[FairyRae]

Originally Posted by BetsyPage

But it does bother me that some of the Paleo people don't even talk about soaking nuts, etc. Like I hear suggestions of snacking on raw almonds that haven't been soaked (or no mention of how to prepare them.) I think if you are GOING to eat grains/seeds a lot that the NT way to make them is key..

That's what I love about TF! Traditional food preparation techniques seem to always enhance/support digestion and nutrient availabilty, and I think this is a vital factor that is absent from most diet/healthy eating plans. The addition of fermented foods and organ meats and bone broth is left out of most 'healthiest way of eating' plans, and I'm just really grateful for TF, as these kind of foods have been vital for both my son and I and our digestive health and healing...

And I was glad to see MDA did discuss this issue, although I agree it's not brought up enough in most paleo groups as far as nuts/seeds are concerned.

[BetsyPage]

Oh thanks for that link, Lauren, I didn't realize that he had in fact addressed it!

[FairyRae]

I haven't seen him discuss it irt grains though. And I do agree that it's extremely underdiscussed in general...A huge, critical missing piece IMO when it comes to preparing many foods...

[dogmom327]

Originally Posted by FairyRae

I haven't seen him discuss it irt grains though. And I do agree that it's extremely underdiscussed in general...A huge, critical missing piece IMO when it comes to preparing many foods...

He probably doesn't discuss it for grains because he advocates a grain free diet. ITA that soaking nuts and seeds needs to be brought up more often.