Natural therapy for clotting disorder?

[laineeb]

Good morning,
After three m/c and a healthy baby I have been diagnosed with a blood clotting disorder. I am attempting to get pregnant again and to proceed with the pregnancy free of drugs by changing my diet. Has anyone had any luck with doing anything like this?
Thanks
Lainee

[kjbrown92]

Is it hemophilia, von Willenbren's (sorry, can't remember how to spell that one) or something like MTHFR?

[laineeb]

Hi

it s form of Antiphospholipid syndrome
If I eat too much Vit K my blood clots too much

[WuWei]

Nigella sativa is one of the amazing traditional medicines from the middle east. Here are three studies related to clotting, prothrombin time and nigella sativa. I believe nigella sativa is not recommended during pregnancy, however. I believe that is due to the decreased clotting effect, actually.

Biol Pharm Bull 2001 Mar;24(3):307-10 Related Articles, Books
Hematological studies on black cumin oil from the seeds of Nigella sativa L.
Enomoto S, Asano R, Iwahori Y, Narui T, Okada Y, Singab AN, Okuyama T.
Department of Natural Medicine
http://evenone.com/filestore/Researc...%20Sativa_.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11256491


Effect of Nigella sativa on blood hemostatic function in rats
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...76d55cc8ec89d6

In vitro induction of endothelial cell fibrinolytic alterations by Nigella sativa.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/In+vit.....-a0133644493

I also found these herbs which increase bleeding. Angelica,
Anise, arnica, asafetida, bromelain, chamomile, clove, danshen, devil's claw, dong quai, fenugreek, feverfew, garlic, ginger, ginkgo, ginseng, horse chestnut, licorice, meadowsweet, motherwort, onion, papain, parsley, passionflower, quassia, red clover, Reishi mushroom, rue, sweet clover, turmeric, white willow, others: increased risk of bleeding


Coenzyme Q10, green tea, St. John's wort: decreased anticoagulant effect.





I haven't researched if these herbs increase prothrombin time specifically. If so, then they could be potentially therapeutic, however, this action must be monitored for safety, especially if pregnant, there could be significant danger. The concern is that regulating coumadin is even challenging to do safely and is routinely considered, or aspirin or heparin...






Pat

[laineeb]

Thank you!

Wow - thank you - I'm encountering a lot of push back from doctors saying that I need the medicine but I don't believe it...

[JessicaS]

Is there a naturopath in your area? You might try talking to one and see if they have any recommendations.

You can find a lot of information from searching the boards but a lot of people take baby aspirin, obviously there are different degrees of severity. If your Dr is saying you *need* the medicine you should probably get another opinion from a medical professional.

I wouldn't just take something with something like this, I am sure it is really hard on you.

[Mamacitac]

Originally Posted by abimommy

Is there a naturopath in your area? You might try talking to one and see if they have any recommendations.

You can find a lot of information from searching the boards but a lot of people take baby aspirin, obviously there are different degrees of severity. If your Dr is saying you *need* the medicine you should probably get another opinion from a medical professional.

I wouldn't just take something with something like this, I am sure it is really hard on you.

I think she'll get the same answer with another medical professional as well.
My SIL has a blood clotting disorder (while pregnant) and she was on heperin (sp?) She took shots twice daily on all 4 of her kids. Even when on hep, she had some scary "happenings" as well. So...I guess it depends on the person?!


Good luck OP.

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by Mamacitac

I think she'll get the same answer with another medical professional as well.
My SIL has a blood clotting disorder (while pregnant) and she was on heperin (sp?) She took shots twice daily on all 4 of her kids. Even when on hep, she had some scary "happenings" as well. So...I guess it depends on the person?!

Yeah that is my concern, there is a wide range of severity with clotting disorders. My son has Von Willebrand's.

[mbravebird]

There are certainly food-based and herb-based anti-coagulants you can take, but I think you'll need to do it in close consultation with your regular doc. It might be hard to find someone who's willing to work with you on it, but I think it would be worthwhile. The medical profession recognizes that food substances interfere with anti-clotting medicines, so it's just a matter of finding someone who's willing to work with you on it.

Fish oil and Aloe juice are two strong anti-coagulants that docs are aware of, and might not fuss too much about. There are also bunches and bunches of herbs that are anti-coagulant, but you'll need to do research and choose carefully there. My experience with this comes from my son having severe hemophilia -- which is a bleeding disorder, not a clotting disorder.

Here is the "women with clotting disorders" thread; I'm sure there's lots of info in it:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=351760

[TonyaW]

To OP, just curious on what you decided as I am seriously considering not using drugs and have APS as well as MTHFR. My chiropractor suggested Nattokinase and fish oil with regular blood monitoring. I am also considering Lumbrokinase instead of aspirin.

[tanyalynn]

Is the nattokinase for the K2 in the natto? Or is there other stuff going on with that product?

It's a somewhat different issue, I'd assume, but I'm using high dose K2, I'm using Thorne's K2 which is an MK-4 form (different form, somewhat different uses in the body than the MK-7 form that's in natto, you may want to look into the differences) to prevent bruising in myself and nosebleeds in my son. Carlson makes a 5mg K2 which is more economical at high doses.

I don't know if the K2 normalizes clotting/bleeding, or just reduces bleeding (and potentially increases problematic clotting), but since you mentioned natto, I figured I'd share the products I'm using.

Have you read about the differences between folic acid and folate for people with the MTHFR variants?

[WuWei]

Hey, is natto high in K2?


Pat

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Hey, is natto high in K2?


Pat

Yeah, it's the richest food source out there, by a long shot. But since it's due to the fermentation of the soybeans, it's MK-7 predominantly (probably some longer-chain MKs as well), instead of the animal-source MK-4. But that's why I mentioned my supps.

[pianojazzgirl]

Garlic is another natural bloodthinner.