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post #1 of 20
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I've been eating really healthy for a few years and have been eating TF since October 2009 when I went to my first visit with a Naturopath and she pointed me in the direction of the Nourishing Traditions book.

I've been doing research on holistic nutrition for a while and I know how beneficial it is. I'm also leaning more towards some paleo/primal stuff. I follow a TF diet almost 100% (still learning!) and so does my 10 month old daughter. My 3 year old son is almost there, he is a picky eater and always has been so it's more of a challenge to change his ways of eating. Right now he is only on sprouted grains, though he still eats too many carbs IMO.

The problem is, my husband somewhat respects my stance yet still thinks I'm being too extreme. He doesn't seem to get it. He grew up on 2L Coke bottles every day (through his childhood), hamburger helper, kraft dinner and Lucky Charms were the basis of his diet from toddlerhood all the way up to the college years..... (I KNOW!!! YUCK!!!!!!!!!)

His dad died of brain cancer at the age of 45. He got the cancer in his late 20s/early 30's. It was a rare slow growing brain tumour. My husband is 27 years old. Many men in his family have died of cancer and almost everyone is overweight, has diabetes, infertility or some other serious health problem.

He is an EXTREMELY picky eater. There are a few healthy things he will eat, but they are random. Usually what happens is I spend a ton of time making something healthy and he will take a few bites and leave the rest. It's infuriating. Even something as simple as chicken noodle soup. He hates taking supplements. He won't eat organs. He won't eat raw dairy. He won't eat most veggies. He is addicted to sugar and drinks a gallon of ice tea or juice every single day. He eats potato chips every day. He eats fast food every day.

He has rotting teeth and terrible tooth decay issues that we've spent lots of $$$ on.

All of this is not enough to motivate him to eat healthy. He doesn't cook so I make 100% of the meals that he eats at home. I don't buy any junk, he buys it himself. I refuse to. He is okay with me sneaking healthy stuff into his meals as long as he can't tell it's there. So what should I focus on? Also should he be on some kind of a supplement (I can sneak into a smoothie or something) to help him detox from all this junk that he can't seem to resist?? I was thinking of Chlorella maybe? Also we are signing up with a raw dairy soon so I *may* be able to sneak some raw milk into some smoothies as long as he doesn't taste the difference.

Any help on what I should be prioritizing on would be so helpful!!
post #2 of 20
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I should clarify, my son does not only eat sprouted grains. What I mean is that the grains he eats are only sprouted, he does eat eggs, butter, some veggies, fruit, berries and yogurt. That's the basis of his diet. Any rec's for him would be welcomed as well.
post #3 of 20
It seems to me I posted almost the same thing about a year ago or so!! Are we married to the same man??

Anyway, many of the ladies here very correctly said that I cannot change what he eats, nor should I try to. He is a grown man able to make his own decisions, and if that means he sits in front of his computer all evening every evening with a jumbo bag of Doritos and a rum and coke then that's what he does. If that means he hasn't seen anything below his waist for several years, then so be it. I have since let go and decided that all I can do is ask him if he wants to try things when I make them, offer educational material, and leave it at that. I eat how I eat and he eats how he eats. I hope to lose a bunch of weight this year and perhaps that will motivate him to change; perhaps not. I can hope so anyway!
post #4 of 20
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I agree with that... I can't control him eating the junk food he chooses to buy. He IS an adult.

He's okay with me "hiding" healthy things in his meals as long as he can't tell they're in there.... any creative suggestions for that besides smoothies? I've thought of hiding some liver in a ground beef sauce on spaghetti.... anything else? He's a "pizza, burger and spaghetti" kind of guy. He doesn't mind raw spinach or romaine so I try and make salads frequently. He also loves a good berry smoothie and there's lots I can hide in there (and DO!)

He is quite fit... he works out 4x a week and is a pretty healthy weight. He hasn't had serious health problems as an adult...yet. He had severe allergies and behavioral issues as a child (he was hospitalized for both). He is very tall, 6 foot 5 inches. He thinks his height is from eating too many hormone laced meats as a kid. He ate 2-3 chicken breasts daily (not organic). His parents were average height.
post #5 of 20
Shoot. With that kind of family history, I'd ask him point blank if he wants to see his kids grow up. Cancer has a much harder time growing if there isn't a steady supply of starch and/or sugar in the diet. If you hold off on the sweets/starch, you give your immune system a much better shot at taking care of a precancerous growth.

I do occasionally ask my type II diabetic DH this very question when he starts slacking on taking care of himself. Mind you, I'm not mean about it or anything. I let him know that I'm aware that it is hard and frustrating and unfair. I let him know that I'm here to help in any way that I can. I don't nag. But I don't ignore self-destructive behavior either.

Sure, you can't change him. And you aren't asking to be mean. But because you love him, it is okay to remind him of the long term consequences of today's actions.

Sometimes I couch it more in terms of "What can I do to help support your health?" But that only works because DH already understands what things he needs to change.

If I wanted to ease him into the idea of changing his diet, I'd spend a few months strewing the environment with whatever media might appeal to him: books, movies, website printouts, etc. And I'd share interesting tidbits about nutrition and health that I'd recently read.

Media suggestions -

Books: Primal Blueprint, Protein Power, The Paleo Diet (the author of this one is a bit anti-fat, but his diet is still far better than the standard American diet)

Movies: Fathead (harsh, but funny), Food Inc.

Online talk: Robert Lustig's talk Sugar: The Bitter Truth, which can be found on YouTube
post #6 of 20
I am not a fan of "hiding" good healthy foods. How will my son learn to love them if he doesn't even know he is eating them?

But for an adult who doesn't mind if you do......

Pizza is a great way to add healthy options.
  • make your own dough and replace 1/4 the flour with whole wheat and add a 1/4 cup of flaxseed. slowly increase the amount of whole wheat flour until at least 1/2 or even 3/4 (basically till he notices )
  • make your own sauce and add pureed veggies. One that will basically blend in are carrots, cauliflower, broccoli. Just steam them first, puree and add to the sauce.
  • Raw cheese melts as well as regular but if thats too much just use regular mozzerella.

Do the same thing with a pasta bake. Use whole wheat noodles, tons of veggies pureed in the sauce. Toss together, top with cheese and bake until warm and bubbly.

Add veggie layers to lasagna. For every layer of cheese/noodles/sauce add a layers of thinly slices of zuccini and summer squash. They basically melt into the noodles. Add finely chopped spinach to the ricotta. My son loves "green cheese"!

if he is already drinking smoothes you could start adding super greens and fresh kale or spinach.
post #7 of 20
While I agree that you can't change him without his wanting to change, my concern would be the example he's setting the children. How much of your DS's pickiness might be attributable to what he sees from his dad? I would approach it that way - that you're trying to teach the children healthy eating habits and his pickiness/refusal to eat certain things are detrimental to that.

Your DH actually sounds like my DH when we first met, although luckily mine was more open to different foods and he leaves the shopping up to me. It took me years to wean him off the sodas, switching to sweet tea, slowly decreasing hte sugar until he now drinks unsweetened tea. I started slowly - eliminating HFCS and hydrog oils first. Since I could point to the info on the detrimental effects of these pseudo foods, he was wiling to make that change. Then that change led to another, and then another, until we got where we are now.
post #8 of 20
How frustrating.

Sure it's his life, but it's also an example he is setting for your kids.

I don't really have much to say . Just that I'm sorry you're dealing with that.
post #9 of 20
Just wanted to second Primal Blueprint as a great book. It's easy to read, straight forward and I kind of got the 'geared toward guys' impression when reading it. Don't get me wrong--I mean that in the best possible way--absolutely great for woman too but I think it's a guy-friendly book or at least more so than many others.
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by jplain View Post
Shoot. With that kind of family history, I'd ask him point blank if he wants to see his kids grow up. Cancer has a much harder time growing if there isn't a steady supply of starch and/or sugar in the diet. If you hold off on the sweets/starch, you give your immune system a much better shot at taking care of a precancerous growth.

I do occasionally ask my type II diabetic DH this very question when he starts slacking on taking care of himself. Mind you, I'm not mean about it or anything. I let him know that I'm aware that it is hard and frustrating and unfair. I let him know that I'm here to help in any way that I can. I don't nag. But I don't ignore self-destructive behavior either.

Sure, you can't change him. And you aren't asking to be mean. But because you love him, it is okay to remind him of the long term consequences of today's actions.

Sometimes I couch it more in terms of "What can I do to help support your health?" But that only works because DH already understands what things he needs to change.

If I wanted to ease him into the idea of changing his diet, I'd spend a few months strewing the environment with whatever media might appeal to him: books, movies, website printouts, etc. And I'd share interesting tidbits about nutrition and health that I'd recently read.

Media suggestions -

Books: Primal Blueprint, Protein Power, The Paleo Diet (the author of this one is a bit anti-fat, but his diet is still far better than the standard American diet)

Movies: Fathead (harsh, but funny), Food Inc.

Online talk: Robert Lustig's talk Sugar: The Bitter Truth, which can be found on YouTube
Trust me, I do that LOL. I say things like "You know, I'd be really sad if I get in the best shape of my life only to see you perish"... lol... sad, but kinda true. He is in denial most of the time. He's gotten better but it's "too little, too late" as far as I'm concerned. I sometimes act like he's already got cancer, cause for all we know he could very well have it already. I'm not going to wait till he's hospitalized to act. I tell him every single day, nicely, that he needs to change. He's cut out pop for the most part, he's cut out sugary cereals for the most part, he has started eating at those juice bars instead of McDonalds... but we all know he still has a LONG way to go!!
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by HollyBearsMom View Post
I am not a fan of "hiding" good healthy foods. How will my son learn to love them if he doesn't even know he is eating them?

But for an adult who doesn't mind if you do......

Pizza is a great way to add healthy options.
  • make your own dough and replace 1/4 the flour with whole wheat and add a 1/4 cup of flaxseed. slowly increase the amount of whole wheat flour until at least 1/2 or even 3/4 (basically till he notices )
  • make your own sauce and add pureed veggies. One that will basically blend in are carrots, cauliflower, broccoli. Just steam them first, puree and add to the sauce.
  • Raw cheese melts as well as regular but if thats too much just use regular mozzerella.

Do the same thing with a pasta bake. Use whole wheat noodles, tons of veggies pureed in the sauce. Toss together, top with cheese and bake until warm and bubbly.

Add veggie layers to lasagna. For every layer of cheese/noodles/sauce add a layers of thinly slices of zuccini and summer squash. They basically melt into the noodles. Add finely chopped spinach to the ricotta. My son loves "green cheese"!

if he is already drinking smoothes you could start adding super greens and fresh kale or spinach.
See he's funny about his picky things... he is very picky about pasta, he will only eat spaghetti and rarely anything else. He does not like veggies in his pasta sauce. Although I think I could try pureeing some of the ones he doesn't like so much, like squash. But he will eat raw carrots, steamed brocolli at times (not frequently), raw spinach (but that's a no-no according to Sally isn't it?), romaine, tomatoes, cucumber, celery.... and that's about it. He's not a lasagna fan although he would eat it if I made it, but he can always tell when there are veggies in there. Is raw cheese melted on the pasta still just as healthy as if it's not heated? He's not a big cheese fan.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by cristeen View Post
While I agree that you can't change him without his wanting to change, my concern would be the example he's setting the children. How much of your DS's pickiness might be attributable to what he sees from his dad? I would approach it that way - that you're trying to teach the children healthy eating habits and his pickiness/refusal to eat certain things are detrimental to that.

Your DH actually sounds like my DH when we first met, although luckily mine was more open to different foods and he leaves the shopping up to me. It took me years to wean him off the sodas, switching to sweet tea, slowly decreasing hte sugar until he now drinks unsweetened tea. I started slowly - eliminating HFCS and hydrog oils first. Since I could point to the info on the detrimental effects of these pseudo foods, he was wiling to make that change. Then that change led to another, and then another, until we got where we are now.
I am very firm about not having these foods around our kids. I call pop "yucky juice" if my son happens to see it around (which actually works surprisingly enough!) but we do have a rule that there is not to be any pop in the house. He eats most of this junk while he's at work during the day, or he'll munch on chips in the evenings. He's come a long way since we've been married too... five years. I've been eating a whole food diet for about 2 years and it's rubbed off on him since I'm the only one cooking.... but I just feel like we might be running out of time you know? I feel like we need to be making more drastic changes, and I'm not sure how to do that when he will only eat things that taste really good to him. I can eat things I don't like because I know they're good for me, but he can't seem to grasp that.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by dogmom327 View Post
Just wanted to second Primal Blueprint as a great book. It's easy to read, straight forward and I kind of got the 'geared toward guys' impression when reading it. Don't get me wrong--I mean that in the best possible way--absolutely great for woman too but I think it's a guy-friendly book or at least more so than many others.
I haven't read the book but I've read about it online and I am VERY interested in going that route myself. Maybe after he see's the results in my life he will be more interested in it himself? I guess it's worth a try! I've lost 40 lbs of baby weight but I have another 30 lbs to go to get to my goal weight. He's never seen me at that weight so I think that will make a great impact. We talked about it tonight and he was very supportive! (Even though our grocery bill is already approaching the amount of our mortgage, yikes! How do you eat steak on a budget? I don't think I can eat the other meats raw. Steak I can do but chicken... ech...)
post #14 of 20
Primal Blueprint isn't about raw meat, so don't worry about that. Go ahead and cook it! I've actually found that our grocery bill has gone down a bit since I've started Primal for myself (and all suppers are primal-friendly now). I don't really know why exactly, except maybe I've been more careful with menu planning. It doesn't have to be steak all the time. I do a lot of stews with good stock, this makes a few dollars' worth of stew meat and bones stretch farther. You could try to get some beef heart ground up and mixed 50/50 with hamburger, then use that for meatloaf or meatballs...

My DH was a huge pop drinker and frozen pizza eater when I met him too. And chocolate malts all the time! His tastes have transitioned slowly over the last 4-5 years and now he doesn't like much junk food anymore, and eats fast food only about once a month. He finds when he craves something like a Snickers, that when he finally does eat it, it doesn't taste very good anymore. It really does sound like your DH has made a lot of positive changes and hopefully you can help him do more. I would suggest that every time you cook something he really likes, you write it down on a list somewhere, rather than trying to remember it all. Then you will have a fallback list of things you know he'll go for to add in the mix in your menu planning.

I was just curious why I don't see brown rice pasta recommended very much? I know that Sally rec's that as a substitute for regular pasta as being easier to digest since it's unsoaked. We've been eating it for years, the once every month or two that we actually have pasta (or DH alone, now). It's practically indistinguishable from regular white pasta, whereas the whole wheat stuff has IMO a terrible texture. Anyway just a suggestion if you're wanting to switch that, your DH might not mind the rice stuff so much.
post #15 of 20
My husband is also not on board with TF eating. We began transitioning last summer on the advice of my midwife. Before, our diet had been mostly local, whole foods so it wasn't as drastic a switch as it could have been, I guess. His primary frustration is the lack of convenience foods (he doesn't cook) and the appalling cost of raw milk (8 bucks a half gallon). We have a strict grocery budget now, and he's convinced that even with the higher price of milk and other TF foods, we're spending less b/c of the lack of junk. Getting rid of breakfast cereals and chips was the hardest for him. I do the shopping and we've agreed that if he must eat stuff like that, it's after the kids go to bed. One thing that seems to be helping is me not taking it personally. (It helps - a little - that part of my job is couples counseling). With his help I've made a list of healthy easy snacks/meals (tunafish salad on homemade sourdough, cheese, popcorn, nuts, tangerines - he's allergic to most raw fruits, etc.) that he can refer to on the nights I'm working and not making dinner. I also consult with him and the kids about snack/convenience foods they'd like to have - I keep a list on the fridge of things to make when I get a chance (right now it's more yogurt, cookies, crackers, TF-cereal and more spaghetti sauce). We have a long way to go, but it seems like we're making progress. Our 3rd kid is due in a little over a month, though, so we'll see how our diets fare when I'm less up to cooking...
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by elleystar View Post
Primal Blueprint isn't about raw meat, so don't worry about that. Go ahead and cook it! I've actually found that our grocery bill has gone down a bit since I've started Primal for myself (and all suppers are primal-friendly now). I don't really know why exactly, except maybe I've been more careful with menu planning. It doesn't have to be steak all the time. I do a lot of stews with good stock, this makes a few dollars' worth of stew meat and bones stretch farther. You could try to get some beef heart ground up and mixed 50/50 with hamburger, then use that for meatloaf or meatballs...

My DH was a huge pop drinker and frozen pizza eater when I met him too. And chocolate malts all the time! His tastes have transitioned slowly over the last 4-5 years and now he doesn't like much junk food anymore, and eats fast food only about once a month. He finds when he craves something like a Snickers, that when he finally does eat it, it doesn't taste very good anymore. It really does sound like your DH has made a lot of positive changes and hopefully you can help him do more. I would suggest that every time you cook something he really likes, you write it down on a list somewhere, rather than trying to remember it all. Then you will have a fallback list of things you know he'll go for to add in the mix in your menu planning.

I was just curious why I don't see brown rice pasta recommended very much? I know that Sally rec's that as a substitute for regular pasta as being easier to digest since it's unsoaked. We've been eating it for years, the once every month or two that we actually have pasta (or DH alone, now). It's practically indistinguishable from regular white pasta, whereas the whole wheat stuff has IMO a terrible texture. Anyway just a suggestion if you're wanting to switch that, your DH might not mind the rice stuff so much.
Well it's good to hear that your grocery bill has gone down! Hopefully that will be the case with us too. I would prefer to eat my red meat raw. From the research I've done I don't feel comfortable with eating too much well done red meat. I would eat one serving a week cooked but that's about as much as I would do personally. I love raw steak though, and I found some cold smoked salmon recently... soooooo good!

My DH doesn't like rice pasta. He loves flax and whole wheat pasta though! I guess it's better then the white stuff. I'll just have to start putting organ meats in the sauce!
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by ginnybee View Post
My husband is also not on board with TF eating. We began transitioning last summer on the advice of my midwife. Before, our diet had been mostly local, whole foods so it wasn't as drastic a switch as it could have been, I guess. His primary frustration is the lack of convenience foods (he doesn't cook) and the appalling cost of raw milk (8 bucks a half gallon). We have a strict grocery budget now, and he's convinced that even with the higher price of milk and other TF foods, we're spending less b/c of the lack of junk. Getting rid of breakfast cereals and chips was the hardest for him. I do the shopping and we've agreed that if he must eat stuff like that, it's after the kids go to bed. One thing that seems to be helping is me not taking it personally. (It helps - a little - that part of my job is couples counseling). With his help I've made a list of healthy easy snacks/meals (tunafish salad on homemade sourdough, cheese, popcorn, nuts, tangerines - he's allergic to most raw fruits, etc.) that he can refer to on the nights I'm working and not making dinner. I also consult with him and the kids about snack/convenience foods they'd like to have - I keep a list on the fridge of things to make when I get a chance (right now it's more yogurt, cookies, crackers, TF-cereal and more spaghetti sauce). We have a long way to go, but it seems like we're making progress. Our 3rd kid is due in a little over a month, though, so we'll see how our diets fare when I'm less up to cooking...
I wish my DH ate nuts. He had a childhood allergy to cashews and hasn't eaten any nuts since except for a few random accidental times... he does not have allergic reactions to them anymore, but he still does not like them. I wish I could make cookies out of almond flour for him, but that would be a no-no.

He is really obsessed with potato chips.... could I maybe make my own potato chips fried in coconut oil? Has anyone tried that? Wonder if it would work. Would I need a deep fryer?.... hmmm.....
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by barefootmommy View Post
He is really obsessed with potato chips.... could I maybe make my own potato chips fried in coconut oil? Has anyone tried that? Wonder if it would work. Would I need a deep fryer?.... hmmm.....
Try slicing some potatoes as thin as you can get and fry them in palm oil and throw on some salt.....they are yummy! I love kale chips, but he might freak over seeing something green and leafy that tastes like a potato chip.

Also -- if financial stuff might get his attention, you may want to have him read, Eating Healthy Shouldn't Cost and Arm & a Leg.

I have my dh pretty well converted, but he still drinks "yucky juice" and uses no-fat vanilla flavored creamer in his coffee. But he has to buy it because he knows better than to ask me to put it on the grocery list. I'm sure he sneaks a few other things out and about, but it's so much better than what it was.
post #19 of 20
Sometimes picky eating issues are "from" a parent, but not in the way you're thinking. Your DH may be a supertaster -- in that he can taste certain flavors that other people cannot and is extra sensitive to bitter or sour flavors. This is genetic, and it is hereditary, so of course it tends to run in families. The child of a supertaster may well be a supertaster himself.

Supertasters tend to have problems with highly flavored things, especially bitter things like greens or grain husks, the strong flavors of fermented foods, or the strong smell/flavor of organ meats, well-aged meats, aged dairy, or wild game. All things that Sally Fallon's version of TF include very large amounts of.

Yes, childhood eating plays a role in this too, but it does not make someone a supertaster. Or, for that matter, create the sensory issues that many people have that interfere with their enjoyment of certain foods.

It sounds like your DH has come a long way -- and for someone with real food issues, its hard for you to appreciate just how much he's been willing to grow and change, dietarily.

It sounds like he does care about his health, if he's working out regularly and maintaining a healthy weight. Those factors have just as much swing in cancer development as diet. And so does the fact that even if the "men in his family all got cancer," he's doesn't have just his father's genes - he's half his mom as well.

So acknowledge his efforts, keep offering new things (being aware that his pickiness may well stem from actual physiological issues, and thus avoiding making fun of him or browbeating him for it), and do some relaxing on your part. Living every day like he already has cancer is doing nothing but raising your cortisol levels and probably making your house a less pleasant place for everyone to live.

Incidentally, I wouldn't worry about the hormones in chicken making him tall. Chicken has never had a lot of hormone use. They experimented with it in the 40s and 50s, but it wasn't actually very successful. THe only hormone that worked on poultry for major growth was banned in 1959. He's tall because sometimes two average height people are heterozygous for tall genes and produce a tall kid, just like two brown-eyed people can produce a blue-eyed child!
post #20 of 20
I slice sweet potatos thin with a mandolin slicer then I fry em in a cast iron pan with some extra virgin coconut oil. I salt em and serve them with burgers and sandwiches. This has somewhat taken the place of french fries and chips. My DH doesnt like sweet potatos,but loves these.
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