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post #1001 of 1199

Hello everyone.  Hoping someone like PB is around to give some advice.  The other day I noticed my DS who is 4.5  was coming down with something again.  His breath tends to smell bad when he is getting sick.  Then the wet cough was occuring a little more and a slight fever.  So the fever started on thursday during the night and friday hovering around 101.  He was playing quietly all day with his toys and really not complaining of anything all yesterday.  I started w the Ferrum Phos and the Kali Mur thurs and friday.  Some SA during the day.  During the night last night I was giving the cell salts more frequently b/c he woke up hot.  His temp around 102 but moaning and groaning.  Tried cooling him off w washcloth, giving liquids etc  but nothing worked.  Normally his temps get very high around 104  but this fever was mild in comparison.  Maybe b/c I had been giving him the cell salts most of the day.   At around 2:30am I gave in and gave him a half dose of Motrin b/c he could not relax and was miserable .  I hate having to use motrin especially for a fever so low but what else could I have done?   He also was complaining his ear was hurting.  So this morning he woke up fine but then crawled back into bed which is rare.  Started complaining about the ear again.    I read up to see what I could give him for the ear and it sounded like Kali Sulph may help?  I also gave him a dose of the Ferrum Phos w the Kali Sulph. So,  as I am writing this he started gagging and vomited.  What can I do at this point?   Do I continue with the Ferrum Phos or have I been using too much?  Any ideas? Need some help.  What could I have done in the middle of the night?  Now he is acting like he is feeling a little better saying he is hungry.  The cough is wet sounding but he isn't coughing often as usual.  I've written about this lingering cough numerous times.  Everyone at the preschool seems to have it. 

post #1002 of 1199
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Oh, I want to shake them and say, "Stop whining and DO something! ANY-thing!!!" biggrinbounce.gif How do you practitioners handle those types????

 

 

Actually, my mentor was grousing and complaining more about a patient who was doing too much (homeopathically) on her own and really making things worse - using 30C doses in a cell salts sort of way over a prolonged period of time.  So, patient went to mentor for advice - which he offered, including "stop whatever you've done in the past and only take this remedy."  Between visits, she'd consult her friends and add in some homeopathic remedies based on those well-meaning but very inexperienced suggestions.  All those things she did really made the situation worse and muddied the waters.  Mentor felt like he was wasting his time and her money. I think he gently got through to her - finally.

 

sunny, for (1) I impulsively say calc sulph.  for (2) I impulsively say mag phos.  and that's if you want cell salts.  For the leg, what did you do?  I damaged my deep hip muscles (piriformis, obturators) and the only thing that helped was a good bodywork session, Ruta 30C, and lots of careful walking.  It took about 3 months (about average for such an injury).  For (1), a non cell salts route, I'd go for cranial work of some sort - cranial osteopathy or craniosacral therapy.

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Hello everyone.  Hoping someone like PB is around to give some advice.  The other day I noticed my DS who is 4.5  was coming down with something again.  His breath tends to smell bad when he is getting sick.  Then the wet cough was occuring a little more and a slight fever.  So the fever started on thursday during the night and friday hovering around 101.  He was playing quietly all day with his toys and really not complaining of anything all yesterday.  I started w the Ferrum Phos and the Kali Mur thurs and friday.  Some SA during the day.  During the night last night I was giving the cell salts more frequently b/c he woke up hot.  His temp around 102 but moaning and groaning.  Tried cooling him off w washcloth, giving liquids etc  but nothing worked.  Normally his temps get very high around 104  but this fever was mild in comparison.  Maybe b/c I had been giving him the cell salts most of the day.   At around 2:30am I gave in and gave him a half dose of Motrin b/c he could not relax and was miserable .  I hate having to use motrin especially for a fever so low but what else could I have done?   He also was complaining his ear was hurting.  So this morning he woke up fine but then crawled back into bed which is rare.  Started complaining about the ear again.    I read up to see what I could give him for the ear and it sounded like Kali Sulph may help?  I also gave him a dose of the Ferrum Phos w the Kali Sulph. So,  as I am writing this he started gagging and vomited.  What can I do at this point?   Do I continue with the Ferrum Phos or have I been using too much?  Any ideas? Need some help.  What could I have done in the middle of the night?  Now he is acting like he is feeling a little better saying he is hungry.  The cough is wet sounding but he isn't coughing often as usual.  I've written about this lingering cough numerous times.  Everyone at the preschool seems to have it. 

 

Middle of the night events are scary!

 

I'm really liking hot baths for fevers. It helps raise the body temperature (which, in a fever, is what the body is trying to do anyway) without requiring so much effort on the part of the body.  Remember, the white blood cells and immune system are more efficient at microbe killing at higher body temps.  After the bath, splash cold water on hands to draw circulation back from the core to the extremities.  Then off to bed.

 

That your ds is hungry is a good sign that the fever has probably broken - "starve a fever, feed a cold" is really quite true.  So perhaps, lay off the ferr phos and focus on drainage - sulphs are great for drainage and I usually end up giving all of them to my ds because the symptoms demand them all.  If you think kali sulph is working, keep it up; otherwise try a different sulph.

 

post #1004 of 1199
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Bumping this, would 2 cal flur and 2 phos per day be sufficient for delayed dentition in 9 month old?
 



 


probably and no harm in trying.

 

post #1005 of 1199

Thanks Bluets.  Unfortunately, DS does not like warm baths.  If I even start filling the tub with moderately warm water he says its too hot.  He likes to sleep without blankets-luckily we live in the south.  So far today DS has been okay-singing and playing but still warm w fever around 102.  I'm not sure what to try next since the fever is lingering.  He's falling asleep now and i'm hoping the fever subsides.  In the past the fever seems to increase with his nap and he wakes up miserable.  Hoping this does not happen.

post #1006 of 1199

mama, at that point I support with cell salts and use a remedy.  often the cell salts can head things off at the pass, or make it tolerable.  For what you're describing I'd have gone in with the "big guns" and done a remedy.  you could even start with ferrum phos at 30c to see if that shifts things since it can present exactly as you're describing.

 

there is a time and place for the remedies and if the salts aren't managing his comfort then that's the time and place for me!

 

How's the little one doing now?

post #1007 of 1199
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Thanks Bluets.  Unfortunately, DS does not like warm baths.  If I even start filling the tub with moderately warm water he says its too hot.  He likes to sleep without blankets-luckily we live in the south.  So far today DS has been okay-singing and playing but still warm w fever around 102.  I'm not sure what to try next since the fever is lingering.  He's falling asleep now and i'm hoping the fever subsides.  In the past the fever seems to increase with his nap and he wakes up miserable.  Hoping this does not happen.



so to give you an idea...in this case in addition to the cell salts and remedy I'd be:

putting something in the ear (for me it's onion juice, but others like garlic oil, mullein, etc.

doing the wet sock treatment-though clearly that might be tough with a kid that doesn't like warm baths (a good modality when looking for his remedy though!)

garlic poultices which can help when the body's trying to mount a response.

maybe fresh garlic in honey.

upping nutrients-vitamin D and A perhaps and sometimes zinc.

bone and veggie broth.

 

granted, things rarely require all of this!  however those are things I'd be thinking about doing.  I'd keep with the ferrum phos salt and kali mur if he has the ear pain/pressure.  he may also want mag phos or kali phos depending on the nature of the pain so I'd probably just do five phos.  (ever notice how often I say that?  lol.)  When the fever backs down I would probably do a calc and kali sulph combo.  Salts work best when you follow the trajectory of the illness which is something you learn as you do it.  You're doing great.

 

I also agree whole heartedly with what Bluets said.  Fevers are our friends so their existence is not showing that the remedies aren't working.  The disposition of the kid is.  They weren't working to keep your guy comfy, which is why I'd go to a remedy.  I also am a big feed a cold starve a fever person.  When the fever is present the energy is diverted away from the stomach so it makes sense that they aren't hungry and I respect that.

 

Hope that helps!

 

 

post #1008 of 1199
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mama, at that point I support with cell salts and use a remedy.  often the cell salts can head things off at the pass, or make it tolerable.  For what you're describing I'd have gone in with the "big guns" and done a remedy.  you could even start with ferrum phos at 30c to see if that shifts things since it can present exactly as you're describing.

 

there is a time and place for the remedies and if the salts aren't managing his comfort then that's the time and place for me!

 

How's the little one doing now?



Thanks so much for all the info.  So a remedy would be something that you would put together based on all his symptoms?  Next time I will definitely do that.  It seems that most of the fever illness's kind of run the same course with him.  Except that this fever was so much lower than past ones which were around 104. Ds is doing fine.

The fever is really not bothering him too much.  In the past he has never had a fever for more than 2 days so I am hoping this will be the last night.  The ear pain went away this

morning.  I did give him extra vitamin D and SA.  I was trying to discourage him from eating but my DS loves food.  Thanks again, gotta digest all the info.

post #1009 of 1199
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so to give you an idea...in this case in addition to the cell salts and remedy I'd be:

putting something in the ear (for me it's onion juice, but others like garlic oil, mullein, etc.

doing the wet sock treatment-though clearly that might be tough with a kid that doesn't like warm baths (a good modality when looking for his remedy though!)

garlic poultices which can help when the body's trying to mount a response.

maybe fresh garlic in honey.

upping nutrients-vitamin D and A perhaps and sometimes zinc.

bone and veggie broth.

 


 

 

 

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Thanks for all your help PB! I feel so much better, like my body is back to its 'kick out the illness' state.

 

DD and I are at the feed a cold stage-she asked me for soup last night, so I made some yummy vitamin-mineral packed chicken soup and we are downing it. I am craving salty foods right now, should I take nat mur? A more general question about taking cell salts, should I stick with a few main salts for chronic conditions or should I follow what I feel and treat more acutely each day?

 

practitioners and patients: In my experience as a natural medicine patient I have found it difficult to find practitioners who want to treat the BIG picture. I saw chiropractors for nearly my whole life for the same complaints over and over, I would ask them how I could fix this problem, why must I come in week after week with the same complaint? I finally found a myofacial therapist who solved my problem and I only need to see her every once in awhile. She has also given spoken to me about all manner of health related issues, she has been invaluable to me! I contacted one homeopathic Dr in my area and stated that I wished to find a constitutional remedy, at the time I had no outstanding acute issues and she tried to discourage me from making an appointment. All my life I have been hoping to find a person to make connections and solve my problems, but mostly I get people who look at me like I'm crazy. Wouldn't it be wonderful to go in to a dr and say, I'd like to find out my full potential as a human being with regards to body and mind. Addressing miasms would get one closer to this ideal of full potential. PB, you are a rare breed of practitioner to offer this kind of guidance.
 

 

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Thanks so much for all the info.  So a remedy would be something that you would put together based on all his symptoms?  Next time I will definitely do that.  It seems that most of the fever illness's kind of run the same course with him.  Except that this fever was so much lower than past ones which were around 104. Ds is doing fine.

The fever is really not bothering him too much.  In the past he has never had a fever for more than 2 days so I am hoping this will be the last night.  The ear pain went away this

morning.  I did give him extra vitamin D and SA.  I was trying to discourage him from eating but my DS loves food.  Thanks again, gotta digest all the info.


I'm glad he's seeming better!  and, if he wants food, then I feel it's fine to give it.  I just meant it's common with fevers not to want to eat and I think we as parents can freak out and try to push food, when we should listen to the body's signals.

 

Yes, when you feel you need to for the motrin that can mean that the tools you have aren't quite what the job needs.  No carpenter has a box full of hammers.  Hammers are great when the job calls for them, but if what you need is a wrench, well....a hammer isn't going to be much help.  Salts are beautiful and have so many applications, but there are times when you need a wrench!

 

You did great with this, the salts potentially changed the way he runs an illness.  that's awesome!  either way it does seem that you helped him.  That is all we ever want to do.

 

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Thanks for all your help PB! I feel so much better, like my body is back to its 'kick out the illness' state.

glad you're feeling better!

 

DD and I are at the feed a cold stage-she asked me for soup last night, so I made some yummy vitamin-mineral packed chicken soup and we are downing it. I am craving salty foods right now, should I take nat mur?

if the picture fits.  best case scenario is a "three legged stool."  If you have three symptoms standing out that all fit nat mur, then it's a good one to consider.  It will be more stable (and applicable) than a stool with one leg!  so let's say your nose is running and it's clear and watery, your lip is dry and split and you're craving salt...it's a good time to consider nat mur AND expect that it may help.

 

 

A more general question about taking cell salts, should I stick with a few main salts for chronic conditions or should I follow what I feel and treat more acutely each day?

different people will answer differently.  when people are starting I find it's helpful to deal with what's in front of you until you get a hang of the cause and effect aspect.  what calls for a salt and how it responds.  then you can go a bit deeper.  others may have other perspectives.  As I said before though, often you will see threads running through a tapestry and realize that the day to day things are likely part of the big picture.  More often than not that comes with time and when it does all kinds of lightbulbs go on.

 

practitioners and patients: In my experience as a natural medicine patient I have found it difficult to find practitioners who want to treat the BIG picture. I saw chiropractors for nearly my whole life for the same complaints over and over, I would ask them how I could fix this problem, why must I come in week after week with the same complaint? I finally found a myofacial therapist who solved my problem and I only need to see her every once in awhile. She has also given spoken to me about all manner of health related issues, she has been invaluable to me! I contacted one homeopathic Dr in my area and stated that I wished to find a constitutional remedy, at the time I had no outstanding acute issues and she tried to discourage me from making an appointment. All my life I have been hoping to find a person to make connections and solve my problems, but mostly I get people who look at me like I'm crazy. Wouldn't it be wonderful to go in to a dr and say, I'd like to find out my full potential as a human being with regards to body and mind. Addressing miasms would get one closer to this ideal of full potential. PB, you are a rare breed of practitioner to offer this kind of guidance.
 

 


well, thank you.  lol.  however there are loads of people out there wanting to see people move forward, healthier each day.  I was taught something long ago and it's a lesson for which I am most grateful.  One of the best practitioners I ever saw was a PT who did CST.  His gift to me, besides my daughters life, was the "secret" of healing.  What he taught me was that part of healing, no matter what your profession, was seeing the person as whole.  Because everyone is.  What he taught me without saying a word was that when you see people, really see them and love them as they are you create the space for them to heal.  The job of the practitioner is to embrace the potential and in times of doubt reflect it back to the person in front of you.  If they can join you in seeing their perfection they are firmly on the path to health.  It's a much more spiritual side of the process and likely belongs in the other thread (but oh well.)  That's (again) why this description of miasms resonates with me.  It's about what's right with your response.  We are all whole, we are not broken.  We can make mistakes, we can be sick and stressed, but we are whole.  All we need to do is access that wholeness and find balance which is really what healing is all about.  Anyway, back to salts!

 

post #1012 of 1199

thank you
 

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probably and no harm in trying.

 



 

post #1013 of 1199
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Bumping this, would 2 cal flur and 2 phos per day be sufficient for delayed dentition in 9 month old?
 



 



I might give it 4 times a day instead.  I'd personally (if it were my kid) do 2 4 times a day.  however you can start at your comfort level and do 1 4 times a day.  frequency is the more important thing here.

post #1014 of 1199

Well, tonight DS's fever went up to 105.9 and my thermometer was saying error b/c I think it was beyond the highest reading.  I freaked out b/c I thought I had given the Motrin 4 hours earlier but then realized I was giving Tylenol by mistake!  My husband bought generic so I got confused. Ended up giving him the motrin b/c at 105.9 DS was shivering and totally out of it.  I so want to not use the drugs but what do I do with a fever of 105.9?  I'm hoping he gets over this one soon.  

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for a fever that high and a kid who is out of it I would probably do homeopathic belladonna.  I'd use a 200c at that point, but even a 30c should help.  but mama...again, you do what you can at the time.  if I didn't have that in my house I couldn't do it.  I'd also use hydrotherapy even if they didn't love it.  BUT I'm pretty comfortable with things like this and do know what to look for.

 

the good news is with a temp that high he's killing stuff off.  however use common sense and your best judgment.  If he gets too lethargic, unresponsive, stops eliminating etc. it's time to call your HCP/doctor.

post #1016 of 1199

Just wanted to send hugs to the mama of the LO with the 105.9 fever. My DD (6) had a fever of 105 a couple of weeks ago. I know it is scary. I did not use Motrin or Tylenol because she was not miserable. She was sleeping and when she woke, when asked she'd say she was good. She would also drink water each time she woke. My on-call homeopath (she is half the country away) had me give her a dose of Belladonna every half hour for three doses. I am pretty sure I only had 30c and gave her a teaspoon dose from three pellets dissolved in 1/4 to 1/2 cup of water. At some point after this she got up, threw-up and perked up. She was still hot, but I was less worried after that. Next day she was down to 101 and 100.8. I am not sure it this was a flu or what, but feel that letting the fever burn really helped limit the duration. It was pretty scary seeing that high number though. I hope your LO feels better soon.

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for a fever that high and a kid who is out of it I would probably do homeopathic belladonna.  I'd use a 200c at that point, but even a 30c should help.  but mama...again, you do what you can at the time.  if I didn't have that in my house I couldn't do it.  I'd also use hydrotherapy even if they didn't love it.  BUT I'm pretty comfortable with things like this and do know what to look for.

 

the good news is with a temp that high he's killing stuff off.  however use common sense and your best judgment.  If he gets too lethargic, unresponsive, stops eliminating etc. it's time to call your HCP/doctor.



Thanks I'll add the belladona to my list.  It seems that he always gets up to atleast 104.  When he was about 2.5 he went up to 106 too.  It just scares me too much when he is unresponsive etc.

He's fine now playing and reading with me(had a 4  hr nap this afternoon)  Fever down to 100 now. 

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Actually, my mentor was grousing and complaining more about a patient who was doing too much (homeopathically) on her own and really making things worse - using 30C doses in a cell salts sort of way over a prolonged period of time.  So, patient went to mentor for advice - which he offered, including "stop whatever you've done in the past and only take this remedy."  Between visits, she'd consult her friends and add in some homeopathic remedies based on those well-meaning but very inexperienced suggestions.  All those things she did really made the situation worse and muddied the waters.  Mentor felt like he was wasting his time and her money. I think he gently got through to her - finally.

 

--> I guess that is the same in reverse, eh? LOL Not the action, but rather the level of frustration for the practitioner...

 

sunny, for (1) I impulsively say calc sulph.  for (2) I impulsively say mag phos.  and that's if you want cell salts.  For the leg, what did you do?  I damaged my deep hip muscles (piriformis, obturators) and the only thing that helped was a good bodywork session, Ruta 30C, and lots of careful walking.  It took about 3 months (about average for such an injury).  For (1), a non cell salts route, I'd go for cranial work of some sort - cranial osteopathy or craniosacral therapy.

 

Thanks! I am curious about how you are using the term "impulsively". I am guessing it means you did not reference any books or other written sources. Is it based on past experiences or cumulative studying or divine communication or something else?

 

I am not sure what I "did to my leg" recently. Sigh. I injured my right ankle as a young child (age 6) and was on crutches for weeks (no cast, though). I was playing "balance beam tag" with other children and the steel beam we were running across tipped over and we all fell off. The beam rolled on top of a few of us. One kid broke his ankle, I sprained mine, and someone else had something less severe while the rest were fine.

 

Then, as a young adult, I injured the same ankle again on a stairmaster. Didn't really DO anything, but OUCH!!!! I ended up in physical therapy for two rounds, which didn't really help much. What helped was taking a ballet class in college a year or two later. I was pain-free for years after that semester-long beginning ballet class.

 

At some point after having my DD, I injured it again doing nothing out of the ordinary. It has intermittently caused varying degrees of pain ever since. The pain travels around the whole leg. Plus, I have tweaked that knee randomly. Both of my hips slip around a bit in the sockets. The right more often than the left. Yoga always helps with that.

 

Chiropractors and massage therapists and other healers have said it stems from my sacrum and, consequently, the piriformis muscle and some tendons are out of whack. I had an awesome bodywork session a couple months ago where I was able to release whatever I had been holding so tightly in the sacral area. It was such a small, subtle physical release, but it had a seriously massive effect. I actually walked differently after that with zero pain or tweaks.

 

It was only recently that my right leg started aching again. Walking is okay and I do it often (2-3 miles a day in short chunks is very typical; last six weeks or so has been quite a bit more several times a week). I just slow my pace down if there is discomfort. The aching occurs when I am sitting or stretched out. Like now. I am in the recliner with my legs stretched out and I'm reclined a little less than 45 degrees. Our kitty is curled up asleep next to my right knee. My hips feel fine, but my right knee and ankle are ACHING.

 

I haven't done craniosacral work since I was pregnant or shortly thereafter. At least not where a therapist specifically said she was doing that. I worked in a holistic health practitioner's office as the office manager and had all sorts of exciting work (benefits package was one free session per month and a discount on subsequent services and I received free sessions when someone wanted to practice). I sometimes recall the words used to describe the work, but rarely do I recall the actual work. It was a very exciting time in my life with lots of changes.

 

More recently (last Oct/Nov), I had a series of manual lymph drainage sessions while do a Fall cleanse. That work partially unblocked something in my leg (and elsewhere in my body) and I learned the path the pain travels is similar to the flow of lymph.

 

All that to say, I wouldn't be surprised if my congestion issues (also very long-term) and my leg issues are of similar origin. Actually, nothing about the body surprises me anymore, but I am deeply fascinated by it all!

post #1019 of 1199

thank you
 

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I might give it 4 times a day instead.  I'd personally (if it were my kid) do 2 4 times a day.  however you can start at your comfort level and do 1 4 times a day.  frequency is the more important thing here.



 

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I might give it 4 times a day instead.  I'd personally (if it were my kid) do 2 4 times a day.  however you can start at your comfort level and do 1 4 times a day.  frequency is the more important thing here.


I guess I needed to read this too. My ds is 20 months and just got his 8th tooth. I give him a bunch of salts only at night and I just don't seem to have the time to give it to him more frequently. Whew, 4 times per day. How do you guys do it?
(no cavities though joy.gif )
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