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post #1021 of 1199

I don't give it four times a day.  I put it in their thermos so they're getting continuous dosing.

post #1022 of 1199

My DD (age 9) came down with a cold late yesterday. She dosed herself several times last night and this morning. Then put more in her water bottle for school. She doesn't care for cell salts in water, but she knows she cannot take them at school any other way. She sucked down a lot of water today for a rainy, chilly day. She said she found herself mindlessly sipping her water bottle all day. I bet I know why. winky.gif

 

I finally got DH to take cell salts on his own this weekend. He'll take them if I hand them to him and tell him all about them (what, why, etc). This time, though, I wasn't going to be home most of the day and he was feeling mildly ill (dizzy and something else I don't recall right now). DD & I looked up his symptoms (she looked in one book while I looked in the other). Both books matched, so I handed him the two cell salts indicated and told him frequency matters more than quantity. Take them OFTEN. He did well for him (about 4-5 times on Saturday and 3-4 times on Sunday) and looked better when we returned than when we had left. I'll try water dosing next. :)

post #1023 of 1199

Why does frequency matter more than dosage?

post #1024 of 1199

It's similar to homeopathy or flower essences in that way.  giving more quantity doesn't make as much of an impact as repeating the information.  Kinda like if you scream a direction at your partner vs. gently reminding them several times.  One's likely to have a better outcome.  lol.

 

the cell salts aren't really nutrients in and of themselves.  they are more messengers.  they're reminding the body to seek out the nutrients.  reminding it once a day isn't going to be as effective as reminding it several times.

 

I also used the analogy of vitamin C.  if you're sick and need 5000mg, you will feel better taking 1000mg 5 times a day than 5000mg in one shot.  repeating the information and giving the body the tools over and over again.

post #1025 of 1199


Very interesting. Thanks for the info.

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It's similar to homeopathy or flower essences in that way.  giving more quantity doesn't make as much of an impact as repeating the information.  Kinda like if you scream a direction at your partner vs. gently reminding them several times.  One's likely to have a better outcome.  lol.

 

the cell salts aren't really nutrients in and of themselves.  they are more messengers.  they're reminding the body to seek out the nutrients.  reminding it once a day isn't going to be as effective as reminding it several times.

 

I also used the analogy of vitamin C.  if you're sick and need 5000mg, you will feel better taking 1000mg 5 times a day than 5000mg in one shot.  repeating the information and giving the body the tools over and over again.



 

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I find it tough to get a child to drink all the salts throughout the day in water as this is a 20 month I am dealing with. If I am running around to get my kid to drink the water that they probably wont finish, I might as well give them the salts directly.

I have to trust that I am doing the best I can as my dd's cavities healed with just one pellet of calc phos everyday when she was young. I had no idea of the frequency or amount at the time and it still worked. They are getting way more now. Not sure if it is increase/adding cell salts or the new paleo diet, but my sons bottom teeth and pallet are widening amazingly.
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Wow, great results, very encouraging. I hope my children's cavities heal.

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I find it tough to get a child to drink all the salts throughout the day in water as this is a 20 month I am dealing with. If I am running around to get my kid to drink the water that they probably wont finish, I might as well give them the salts directly.

I have to trust that I am doing the best I can as my dd's cavities healed with just one pellet of calc phos everyday when she was young. I had no idea of the frequency or amount at the time and it still worked. They are getting way more now. Not sure if it is increase/adding cell salts or the new paleo diet, but my sons bottom teeth and pallet are widening amazingly.


 

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I find it tough to get a child to drink all the salts throughout the day in water as this is a 20 month I am dealing with. If I am running around to get my kid to drink the water that they probably wont finish, I might as well give them the salts directly.

I have to trust that I am doing the best I can as my dd's cavities healed with just one pellet of calc phos everyday when she was young. I had no idea of the frequency or amount at the time and it still worked. They are getting way more now. Not sure if it is increase/adding cell salts or the new paleo diet, but my sons bottom teeth and pallet are widening amazingly.

we all do what we can, and something is better than nothing always.  if you can remember to give them directly then it's perfectly fine!  
 

 

post #1029 of 1199

While on the conversation of teeth, I wanted to ask a couple of questions. I am still trying to wade my way through all this. I feel like my children and I have several things going on that would find direct benefit from cell salts, but the teeth issue seems to be the one I have focused on to start with. I bought Calc Flour and Calc Phos and have been giving them to both kids daily for ~ a week. I have given myself some a little less frequently.  I have been giving the kids Bioplasma as well. I want to make sure that this is what I should be giving.

 

DD--One cavity recently filled, got first tooth at 8 months, has her first loose teeth at 6 years, grinds her teeth so I am worried about the enamel (figuring there is something else I should be giving for teeth grinding-mag phos?)

DS--Only has ever had one cleaning and all was good, also got first tooth at 8 months, has never drank milk and had a period of no dairy/low calcium

Me--MANY cavities filled over the years, one root canal, clench my teeth which has caused afractions/lesions in my teeth and worn enamel, teeth used to be very tight and hard to floss and now have a lot of space between them

 

So, are Calc Flour and Calc Phos likely to be helpful to us? Should my DD and I add something else (Mag Phos) for teeth clenching/TMJ stuff?

 

I am trying to wrap my head around all the symptoms and possible use of cell salts. Is it best to take a salt for each symptom? Or just take Bioplasma?

 

Thanks.

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So, are Calc Flour and Calc Phos likely to be helpful to us?

 

I am trying to wrap my head around all the symptoms and possible use of cell salts. Is it best to take a salt for each symptom? Or just take Bioplasma?

 

Thanks.

right now this is a great start.  sometimes clenching is mag phos, sometimes kali phos and sometimes nat phos.  Actually-calc fluor can have it too.  So I'd say you can start with calc fl. and calc p. and observe.  If the clenching doesn't stop you can add in the salt that makes sense.  you could *also* give bioplasma, but I'm not a fan of the "just take bioplasma" approach.    You'll see benefits, but not nearly so much as if you use them as a system of medicine.  I don't think it's *wrong* to start with just bioplasma though.  It's the gateway for most.

 

for the clenching structural work can also be extremely helpful alongside the salts.  Bodywork and energy medicine both work better together IMO.  Just another thought!
 

 

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Thanks! I am curious about how you are using the term "impulsively". I am guessing it means you did not reference any books or other written sources. Is it based on past experiences or cumulative studying or divine communication or something else?

 

I certainly wouldn't call it "divine".  It does mean that I didn't look at books or websites.  It does have a teeny bit of experience behind it - the kind along  the lines of "Oh, I think I read that used before" mixed with "this worked for me before" .

 

I am not sure what I "did to my leg" recently. Sigh. I injured my right ankle as a young child (age 6) and was on crutches for weeks (no cast, though). I was playing "balance beam tag" with other children and the steel beam we were running across tipped over and we all fell off. The beam rolled on top of a few of us. One kid broke his ankle, I sprained mine, and someone else had something less severe while the rest were fine.

 

Then, as a young adult, I injured the same ankle again on a stairmaster. Didn't really DO anything, but OUCH!!!! I ended up in physical therapy for two rounds, which didn't really help much. What helped was taking a ballet class in college a year or two later. I was pain-free for years after that semester-long beginning ballet class.

 

At some point after having my DD, I injured it again doing nothing out of the ordinary. It has intermittently caused varying degrees of pain ever since. The pain travels around the whole leg. Plus, I have tweaked that knee randomly. Both of my hips slip around a bit in the sockets. The right more often than the left. Yoga always helps with that.

 

Chiropractors and massage therapists and other healers have said it stems from my sacrum and, consequently, the piriformis muscle and some tendons are out of whack. I had an awesome bodywork session a couple months ago where I was able to release whatever I had been holding so tightly in the sacral area. It was such a small, subtle physical release, but it had a seriously massive effect. I actually walked differently after that with zero pain or tweaks.

 

Ah! the pelvis!  yes, a lot of troubles arise from a malpositioned pelvis.

 

It was only recently that my right leg started aching again. Walking is okay and I do it often (2-3 miles a day in short chunks is very typical; last six weeks or so has been quite a bit more several times a week). I just slow my pace down if there is discomfort. The aching occurs when I am sitting or stretched out. Like now. I am in the recliner with my legs stretched out and I'm reclined a little less than 45 degrees. Our kitty is curled up asleep next to my right knee. My hips feel fine, but my right knee and ankle are ACHING.

 

I haven't done craniosacral work since I was pregnant or shortly thereafter. At least not where a therapist specifically said she was doing that. I worked in a holistic health practitioner's office as the office manager and had all sorts of exciting work (benefits package was one free session per month and a discount on subsequent services and I received free sessions when someone wanted to practice). I sometimes recall the words used to describe the work, but rarely do I recall the actual work. It was a very exciting time in my life with lots of changes.

 

More recently (last Oct/Nov), I had a series of manual lymph drainage sessions while do a Fall cleanse. That work partially unblocked something in my leg (and elsewhere in my body) and I learned the path the pain travels is similar to the flow of lymph.

 

All that to say, I wouldn't be surprised if my congestion issues (also very long-term) and my leg issues are of similar origin. Actually, nothing about the body surprises me anymore, but I am deeply fascinated by it all!

 

pehraps we need a separate thread? :)  if you want to start one, let me know where it is!

 

but for cell salts, i use calc phos, silica and calc fluor for deep pain/discomfort more on an as-needed acute fashion.  mag phos when i know that it is definitely muscle (for me the source tends to be structural-bone problems)
 

 

post #1032 of 1199

ds was miserable on saturday because of a cold that snuck up on him.  i gave him liberal access to bioplasma and slippery elm throat lozenges all day and then again on sunday.  he chomped the bioplasma one at a time pretty much all day both days.  really, saturday with cats-and-dogs rain was unbearable, with grumpy whiny child and cabin fevered mama and disappeared dh.

 

i'm still picking bioplasma pellets out of the couch from the 2-3 times he spilled his little egg cup of them.

 

loaded his water bottle up yesterday for school with ascorbate and bioplasma and he's really almost done.   just a few sniffles now and he slept really well last night - without snoring!

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My DD was completely out of control yesterday afternoon/evening! She has a minor cold and has been self-dosing cell salts (bio, ferr phos, and kali mur), which are working well on the cold symptoms. The behavior was off the charts wild, though!!!!!! Non-stop chatter; in-my-face demanding all sorts of random things; completely bouncing off the walls to the point I actually thought of duct tape!!! I tried holding her (worked for like a second) and giving her my undivided attention (semi-worked, only thing that got me through until DH got home) and sending her off to do her homework and other tasks on her own (worked in the sense she wasn't physically in my face demanding random things, but she simply could not focus for more than 10 minutes at a time).

 

I was also feeling quite tired and at the very, very beginning of a cold. I wasn't sure if it was truly her or my own lowered tolerance. When DH got home, he confirmed it was her. (LOL) I read through the biochemic book and got her some kali phos stat! WOW!!!!!!!!! What a HUGE difference and really FAST! Two small doses (1-2 pellets each) about 15 minutes apart did the trick. She suddenly could lay down next to me and cuddle without fidgeting and jumping up every five seconds and she could focus on getting ready for bed and she fell asleep within 10 minutes. Best of all, she stopped with the harsh demands. Gotta remember kali phos for sure!!!!! love.gif

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pehraps we need a separate thread? :)  if you want to start one, let me know where it is!

 

but for cell salts, i use calc phos, silica and calc fluor for deep pain/discomfort more on an as-needed acute fashion.  mag phos when i know that it is definitely muscle (for me the source tends to be structural-bone problems)
 

 


Thanks! I have one in H&H on congestion already...

 

I'll copy and paste my leg issues to that thread, too. winky.gif

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Anyone have experience with giving cell salts to a child with spd, and hfa/as? Very much a newbie to all of this!

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Anyone have experience with giving cell salts to a child with spd, and hfa/as? Very much a newbie to all of this!


yup.  most of the kids I work with are on the spectrum.  and just about everyone I work with is on salts.  it's a great modality for them because they taste great, they're easy to take (don't have to swallow anything) and they can always just be put in water.

 

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right now this is a great start.  sometimes clenching is mag phos, sometimes kali phos and sometimes nat phos.  Actually-calc fluor can have it too.  So I'd say you can start with calc fl. and calc p. and observe.  If the clenching doesn't stop you can add in the salt that makes sense.  you could *also* give bioplasma, but I'm not a fan of the "just take bioplasma" approach.    You'll see benefits, but not nearly so much as if you use them as a system of medicine.  I don't think it's *wrong* to start with just bioplasma though.  It's the gateway for most.

 

for the clenching structural work can also be extremely helpful alongside the salts.  Bodywork and energy medicine both work better together IMO.  Just another thought!
 

 


Thanks PB. I was thinking about trying to meet with cranio sacral person. I have done chiro and PT (manual, lots of myofacial stuff). The PT provided the most benefit, but unfortunately is now unavailable for appointments. I have a lot of structural and facial stuff going on, and I'm sure it would benefit me do more work soon. Thanks.

 

post #1038 of 1199

Panserbjorne: Thank you! Where can I get these, and what is a good brand? Also, how much should I start out giving my dd?

post #1039 of 1199

ohhh, i almost dont want to go back to this, but..... 
 

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...working to clear something to enable better healing i get. (although now i'm re-questioning myself on that.... "blockage" vs. totally new layer?

I'm just going to answer as me.  there is no layer in this instance.  let's say there are maintaining causes-things that need to be dealt with for a remedy to work-and they can sometimes (not always) be addressed with energy medicine.

ok, now i'm really confused, because you had said above that it could be called a layer. maybe-- gosh, where did the dang term "layer" come from in the first place. that was my word, yes? from what i'd read? let's try this instead--- what would you define as a layer? would you even use that term (and i mean, you personally)... or can we just say it's a bad term, and there is not (in your pov), any such thing.

(if it helps, i'm fairly sure it came from what i'd read that was saying that you literally had to peel away "layers" of "false" miasms in order to get to the "true" miasm.... which you have said is not what you believe, and i'm dancing with joy to be in the same boat on that one. the other way makes my head spin. lol)

 

is my blockage/layer-that-needs-clearing likely to be something that makes sense-- given, shall we say, my miasm ....

while there are themes there are no "brown" issues so to speak.  you can have a history of assault in any color but the response would likely be different.  same with symptoms.  you can't ascribe a pathology to a miasm across the board.  we can get into this later if you like.

it's going to be something that makes sense. (using FEs for a sec.... ....

that works, yes.  the tough part is that homeopathy is a totally different animal all together.

hmmm.... this intrigues me. so, in FEs, it would make sense that something keeping my "constitutional" from working would be something that makes sense within it, BUT in homeopathics, it might be something totally unrelated. is that fair to say, or is it pushing things too far? we dont have to get so so detailed. it was just a thought that popped into my head, that if one had hit on what seemed like one's "constitutional" but it wasnt working, one would be best served by looking at one's own ... well, "constitution" (or general character) to find what those things might be..... i have nothing invested in this being true, btw. except that it did resonate with what i've been reading of dr bach......

 

i may be opening a whole can of worms with this question, but.... "same with symptoms"... are you indicating that people from different miasms who all have x illness might have different symptoms? 

 

...i would sort of assume the general gist would be to find ones path to health and wellbeing. in one case, by finding the "one" treatment that should build the overall strength of the person, in the other, by simply clearing away the acutes as they present.................????

okay-not to be argumentative and I do know what you're saying here, but I don't believe there is ONE treatment that builds the overall strength of the person. ...

clarifying this, because i was not stating some opinion of mine, but answering your question about what each of the two approaches was trying to do-- the one which aimed to find a constitutional, and the one which aimed only to treat acutely. the "one" in this case, then, referring to finding the constitutional remedy. sorry for the confusion. 

 

<<adding the other bit to simplify, also changing colors so i dont go insane.....>>>

 

i think my issue would be with someone who would never want to go there, but just happily keep treating things as they present acutely. 
I do know what you are saying....  .... Not all believe that there IS a core to look for.  BUT they still help people and allow them to heal with no side effects, stronger for what they've been through.  So even treating acutes you kind of are building people up.  I know what you're saying, but I don't agree and I'm trying to get you to agree with me either.  Just offering my perspective.

that's totally fair, and an excellent point.... it's a different modality so a comparison doesnt really work. it was a sassy one to begin with, and to be totally honest, i may be dealing with some repressed frustration at some previous "treatments" i have been on the receiving end of...

 

I have plenty of people I see that want practical homeopathy. ...... Plenty of practitioners would say that I shouldn't work with them if they're not willing to start that way. I figure if I can help with dandruff, bronchitis, acne etc. then they're going to be far more likely to consider deeper work because even though there's a ton of people that say homeopathy doesn't work, they've experienced that it did.   .....Sometimes it's not that the homeopath isn't offering, it's that the patient doesn't choose that particular journey. 

 

yeah, i've caught on there's a bit of a divide there. it's rather fascinating to me... both ways. i have to LOL at the last bit, because i am still so used to my old homeopath, who would not believe in the patient having her own journey. but i think that's a beautiful idea.

 

it's, all and all, enlightening for me. i get that there are a whole load of different approaches, and it's nice to have a ...softer, more real sense of it, than some of the .... extreme stuff that's out there in the crazy world of cyberspace. lol

 

 


and, since this is the CELL SALTS thread, and i've totally run away with it in a different direction, i now hand it back over by saying-- the above post is brought to you by the power of silica cell salt (and centaury, of course), because before taking those, i would have never attempted this conversation in the first place.......... 

 

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we're going technicolor.

 

...working to clear something to enable better healing i get. (although now i'm re-questioning myself on that.... "blockage" vs. totally new layer?

I'm just going to answer as me.  there is no layer in this instance.  let's say there are maintaining causes-things that need to be dealt with for a remedy to work-and they can sometimes (not always) be addressed with energy medicine.

ok, now i'm really confused, because you had said above that it could be called a layer. maybe-- gosh, where did the dang term "layer" come from in the first place. that was my word, yes? from what i'd read? let's try this instead--- what would you define as a layer? would you even use that term (and i mean, you personally)... or can we just say it's a bad term, and there is not (in your pov), any such thing.

(if it helps, i'm fairly sure it came from what i'd read that was saying that you literally had to peel away "layers" of "false" miasms in order to get to the "true" miasm.... which you have said is not what you believe, and i'm dancing with joy to be in the same boat on that one. the other way makes my head spin. lol)

okay, so let's define a layer as something that is presenting.  some would tell you that there are layers of miasms, others would say there are just plain old layers of stuff-there is a type of homeopathy known as sequential homeopathy which works in layers.  So yes, it's a definite idea in homeopathy.  And when I said there are no layers in this instance I was responding to the specific question you were asking.  I don't think in layers, I think in maintaining causes because that's my perspective.  if you don't believe the constitutional can change then there's no real need for layers.  If you don't believe that but feel that the constitutional can't be "seen" until you remove presenting pieces then you're looking for layers.  IF you believe that the constitutional is a coping mechanism or how you manage stress then there's no layers.  There's just your response which doesn't really change.  It can intensify, it can progress, but it's your response.  So for me, there are no layers.  Maintaining causes are different.  They're what gets in the way of the remedy working.  Those clearly should be removed and that can be low functioning organs, neurological damage, environmental toxicity, food allergies to name a few.  Different.  If you use those symptoms to find a remedy you may be chasing your tail.  So yes I used the term layer, because if you're reading you're seeing it.  But I don't think of things that way.  ESPECIALLY  not for miasms.  SO for what you're asking, a blockage is an obstacle to cure or a maintaining cause.  A layer is a picture that's presenting that has been acquired-anyone with a better way of explaining this please jump in!

 

is my blockage/layer-that-needs-clearing likely to be something that makes sense-- given, shall we say, my miasm ....

yes because there are themes.

while there are themes there are no "brown" issues so to speak.  you can have a history of assault in any color but the response would likely be different.  same with symptoms.  you can't ascribe a pathology to a miasm across the board.  we can get into this later if you like.

it's going to be something that makes sense. (using FEs for a sec.... ....

that works, yes.  the tough part is that homeopathy is a totally different animal all together.

hmmm.... this intrigues me. so, in FEs, it would make sense that something keeping my "constitutional" from working would be something that makes sense within it, BUT in homeopathics, it might be something totally unrelated. is that fair to say, or is it pushing things too far? we dont have to get so so detailed. it was just a thought that popped into my head, that if one had hit on what seemed like one's "constitutional" but it wasnt working, one would be best served by looking at one's own ... well, "constitution" (or general character) to find what those things might be..... i have nothing invested in this being true, btw. except that it did resonate with what i've been reading of dr bach......

yes and no.  it's possible and believed by most to be true that it will present in the picture of the remedy.  there are remedies that have issues that go along with them as a "yeah, it makes sense because x remedy often has adrenal issues" or "problems detoxifying" or something similar.  HOWEVER from a medical perspective there can be damage to an individual that has very little to do with the constitution.  If you gave someone heavy drugs that damaged the liver or they got an acute virus that shut down the kidneys or they had a traumatic event that altered their physiology that doesn't need to be reflected in the remedy.  It could be they need some kidney drainage and then their picture is clear again.  If someone has chronic issues with their kidneys and no instigating factors in their history then it's more likely part of their constitution.  It's very complex and the history is very important here.  Flowers look at things very differently.  There's also the issue, as I mentioned of speed.  The constitutional may well address the kidneys in a year, or five.  Do you want to wait that long if the person is there with kidney complaints?  I don't know if I'm answering you or not.

 

i may be opening a whole can of worms with this question, but.... "same with symptoms"... are you indicating that people from different miasms who all have x illness might have different symptoms? 

yes, and you can have cancer but not be in the cancer miasm.  Or have tuberculosis but not be tubercular.  so the illness can't be classified to the miasm even if it seems to fit.   it may well express differently based on the dominant miasm.

 

...i would sort of assume the general gist would be to find ones path to health and wellbeing. in one case, by finding the "one" treatment that should build the overall strength of the person, in the other, by simply clearing away the acutes as they present.................????

okay-not to be argumentative and I do know what you're saying here, but I don't believe there is ONE treatment that builds the overall strength of the person. ...

clarifying this, because i was not stating some opinion of mine, but answering your question about what each of the two approaches was trying to do-- the one which aimed to find a constitutional, and the one which aimed only to treat acutely. the "one" in this case, then, referring to finding the constitutional remedy. sorry for the confusion. 

no confusion...I just always want to make sure I'm not coming across as having rigid rules, because I don't.  I never think there's ONE answer to any problem and I get really irritated when different modalities claim that they can heal things in a vacuum.

 

<<adding the other bit to simplify, also changing colors so i dont go insane.....>>>

 

i think my issue would be with someone who would never want to go there, but just happily keep treating things as they present acutely. 
I do know what you are saying....  .... Not all believe that there IS a core to look for.  BUT they still help people and allow them to heal with no side effects, stronger for what they've been through.  So even treating acutes you kind of are building people up.  I know what you're saying, but I don't agree and I'm trying to get you to agree with me either.  Just offering my perspective.

that's totally fair, and an excellent point.... it's a different modality so a comparison doesnt really work. it was a sassy one to begin with, and to be totally honest, i may be dealing with some repressed frustration at some previous "treatments" i have been on the receiving end of...

 

I have plenty of people I see that want practical homeopathy. ...... Plenty of practitioners would say that I shouldn't work with them if they're not willing to start that way. I figure if I can help with dandruff, bronchitis, acne etc. then they're going to be far more likely to consider deeper work because even though there's a ton of people that say homeopathy doesn't work, they've experienced that it did.   .....Sometimes it's not that the homeopath isn't offering, it's that the patient doesn't choose that particular journey. 

 

yeah, i've caught on there's a bit of a divide there. it's rather fascinating to me... both ways. i have to LOL at the last bit, because i am still so used to my old homeopath, who would not believe in the patient having her own journey. but i think that's a beautiful idea.

 

it's, all and all, enlightening for me. i get that there are a whole load of different approaches, and it's nice to have a ...softer, more real sense of it, than some of the .... extreme stuff that's out there in the crazy world of cyberspace. lol.

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