Tell me about cell salts. - Page 54

[mimi!]

OK!  Thanks for your help.

  I'll look into the Flowers now, and get some gluthionine. 

I've been giving ds l-glutamine, and recently after discovering elixirs.com, I got the large and small bowel nosodes. (I really recommend these! I noticed a shift in all of us, along with the salts.  For ds, he had some constipation relief, to the point were he goes nearly daily, and for me it calmed an irritable bowel episode).  Currently, I'm waiting for liver 6c and acidopholous 6c to arrive in the mail.

What brand of clay do you use and how do you use it?  Doesn't it pull out good bacteria or minerals?

Any other recommendations to target food/fruit/carb sensitivities would be warmly appreciated!!

[aweynsayl]

if i said "craves sugar when it's cold" would that trigger anything in anyone? specific cell salt? or maybe a FE or homeopathic remedy? if i added "suffers from pains when it's cold" would that help? 

[freyja137]

This has been a truly fascinating read and seems to have started a new obsessive-info-gathering-state for me. I was spurred to purchase some reading materials as well as the basic set of salts, but want some backup on my intuition of what to "treat" first.

A few years ago, I ended up with a draining abscess on the back of my lower left central incisor. I've never had any other trouble with my teeth/mouth at all, and I don't really know how this happened, though I remember feeling like something lodged there (there was a moment when I felt something odd, then the abscess developed quickly thereafter). It was treated by a dentist after a routine cleaning - he scraped it out, gave me antibiotics, and told me it would go away.

But - this is six years or so later - there is still a bump at the back of the tooth. It doesn't drain, the tooth is still alive, and I suppose it's possible that it's just scar tissue, but it's always sort of bugged me, the fact of it being there. The bump hasn't gotten any bigger, nor any smaller. I am tempted to try to get it to come to a head and get rid of it as my first sort of experiment with the cell salts (I also plan on using them to treat my asthma, but that seems like a different sort of ailment altogether, and one that it much more tied into my life in general). I have a few questions, however, and would love to hear what people on here might have to say!

My inclination is to use silica and calc sulph. Would these be appropriate? Anything to add? And should I treat it like an acute situation or a chronic one (I've had it for a long time, but it's not something that *developed* over a long time, nor is it tied to other systems the way, say, my asthma could be considered)?

[aweynsayl]

well, i'm a huge fan of silica, lol.... sounds right to me.

is there a cell salt that corresponds well to pulsatilla? i felt like we had that conversation, but i can not find it........

[ttcintexas]

How long do you observe with one cell salt before trying a new one? I am trying to eliminate my daughter's nighttime teeth grinding. Right now she is taking calc phos, calc flour and nat phos. She has been on the calcs for a couple weeks and the nat phos for about a week. She is still grinding. Should I replace the nat phos with something else--mag phos? kali phos?

Thanks.

[bluets]

ttcintexas- the other thing to consider is a remedy.  for my little guy, i've been doing Cina 30C, 1 dose per week for 2 weeks so far - i think i need to do 2 more doses.  with little ones, teeth grinding can be (but isn't always) tied to parasites.  for the moment, it is working.  since doing the 2nd dose, his tooth grinding is much much less noticeable.  you might look it up.

[ttcintexas]

Thanks for your response, Bluets. I do work with a homeopath, who has given my DD various remedies (constitutional and acutes) over the years. I know we have talked about the teeth grinding in recent consultations. I brought up the cell salts to her last summer and she was one of those homeopaths that does not support them. Not sure she really even understood what they were as she looked at the 6x on my Bioplasma and said that was a high dose of all those things--my understanding is it's not the same as homeopathic dosages. I have not tried determining remedies myself (this is a bit frustrating...always feeling like I have to call my homeopath and pay each time we have an acute issue). Cell salts seemed somehow simpler in that there are only 12 to choose from.

Anyway, interesting about the parasites. I really hope that is not what it is. Is this what you think it is tied to in your DS? Is Cinca specific to parasites? Guess I better look up what other symptoms come a long with that. I have always thought her digestion was pretty good--she is my good pooper :) But she has always had sleep issues and is a very picky eater! And when she was x-rayed at the chiropractor she showed lots of gas. Her neck is quite messed up, and we have been using chiro to try and correct this, so I was hoping that has some to do with the grinding. Of course the pedi and the pedi dentist says it's normal for kids to grind.

Thanks again for your response.

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by ttcintexas 

How long do you observe with one cell salt before trying a new one? I am trying to eliminate my daughter's nighttime teeth grinding. Right now she is taking calc phos, calc flour and nat phos. She has been on the calcs for a couple weeks and the nat phos for about a week. She is still grinding. Should I replace the nat phos with something else--mag phos? kali phos?

Thanks.

I'd give it about 3-4 weeks personally.  You don't have to-it's just what I'd do so I'd have a better idea of what was doing what.  FWIW the go to salt for parasites is nat phos.  So what you really could do is 5 phos and calc fluor.

Originally Posted by bluets 

ttcintexas- the other thing to consider is a remedy.  for my little guy, i've been doing Cina 30C, 1 dose per week for 2 weeks so far - i think i need to do 2 more doses.  with little ones, teeth grinding can be (but isn't always) tied to parasites.  for the moment, it is working.  since doing the 2nd dose, his tooth grinding is much much less noticeable.  you might look it up.

agreed.  Cina, calc carb and silica are some of my favorite parasite remedies (when the picture fits!)  I will say that parasites aren't as scary as you might first think and it's a very underdiagnosed issue.  Especially in kids.

Originally Posted by ttcintexas 

Thanks for your response, Bluets. I do work with a homeopath, who has given my DD various remedies (constitutional and acutes) over the years. I know we have talked about the teeth grinding in recent consultations. I brought up the cell salts to her last summer and she was one of those homeopaths that does not support them. Not sure she really even understood what they were as she looked at the 6x on my Bioplasma and said that was a high dose of all those things  (???? wow.)--my understanding is it's not the same as homeopathic dosages. (it's not...but if she meant there's a lot of material in them she's right...but it's still a 6x!  we aren't talking a 1x here!)  I have not tried determining remedies myself (this is a bit frustrating...always feeling like I have to call my homeopath and pay each time we have an acute issue). Cell salts seemed somehow simpler in that there are only 12 to choose from.

they are.  As to the acutes-does she frown on you selecting your own?  how long have you seen her?

Anyway, interesting about the parasites. I really hope that is not what it is. Is this what you think it is tied to in your DS? Is Cinca specific to parasites? Guess I better look up what other symptoms come a long with that. I have always thought her digestion was pretty good--she is my good pooper :) But she has always had sleep issues and is a very picky eater! And when she was x-rayed at the chiropractor she showed lots of gas. Her neck is quite messed up, and we have been using chiro to try and correct this, so I was hoping that has some to do with the grinding. Of course the pedi and the pedi dentist says it's normal for kids to grind.

Thanks again for your response.

Cina, as bluets stated, is well known for parasites and very effective.  It's not the only one, but it's kind of the go to for most people when they think homeopathy and parasites because it IS so effective.  The issues you're describing very well could be parasites (again, so common in kids you'd be shocked) or it could be yeast-either way it looks to be a gut function issue at it's core.  I'd say without a doubt the neck is connected, but it's a matter of how.  Bluets is our structural person here and she could speak more to that hopefully.  I know it's very common in kids with poor digestion to have the vagus nerve affected.  As to the dentist, people (IMO) need to learn and understand the difference between normal and common.  Argh.  It may be common, but that doesn't make it normal.

[aweynsayl]

any thoughts on either of these?

~ a cell salt to address someone who craves sugar when it's cold, but loathes it when it's hot? (or any thoughts on that in general?)

~ if there's a cell salt that corresponds with puls or scleranthus?

interesting info on teeth grinding. ds recently started doing it sometimes-- "for fun" he says. <fingernails on chalkboard smiley here>

[FireWithin]

Originally Posted by aweynsayl 

any thoughts on either of these?

~ a cell salt to address someone who craves sugar when it's cold, but loathes it when it's hot? (or any thoughts on that in general?)

~ if there's a cell salt that corresponds with puls or scleranthus?

interesting info on teeth grinding. ds recently started doing it sometimes-- "for fun" he says. <fingernails on chalkboard smiley here>

hmmm about the puls.

here is my undereducated input.

For a while i thought my newborn's constitutional remedy was silica (currently she is using sulpher). At the time, Panser said that puls was often used as an acute for silica folk. 

I continue to test strongly for silica cell salt for her.  So connecting dots that might not be there----- maybe siica cell salt corresponds to puls??

[ttcintexas]

Ok, having trouble quoting from the multi-quote response from PB above. First, I am so with you on the "just because it's common doesn't mean it's normal." Really too bad that so many doctors blow things off as normal. Sometimes in my fantasy world I wish I could be one of those mothers that believed that. That way my daughter's teeth grinding would simply be a normal childhood behavior, not yeast or parasites, and I could go happily along enjoying my carefree life :) Now back to reality....

So how do I go about determining which it is (or if it is neither)? And developing a treatment plan. Are cell salts and homeopathy enough to deal with parasites? Interesting about the Silica. This is one my homeopath has prescribed for my DD in the past, including a recent acute issue with a long (two-three week) ear infection/pain episode. I don't feel confident in determining the "whole picture" to start trying out remedies on my own. I have not discussed giving acutes on my own with my homeopath. Unfortunately she is in California and we are in Texas. Saw her in person last summer. Have been working with her since 2003, but only a few times in person. I wish the was a homeopath or naturopath in my town, but there is not.

On the yeast...this is interesting because when we were with the chiropractor a little while back with this long lasting ear infection, he said she muscle tested for Fungus/Mold/Yeast. When I asked which, he said they are all lumped together? I had sort of stuck my head in the sand on this one (fantasy world I mentioned above) and not looked in to it more. But now you have me thinking of it again. For further info, this ear infection was the third in a three month period. She is 6 yrs old and had only ever had two others that I had know of--when she was much younger (2yrs?). When she had the first of these three I caved and gave her antibiotics for the first time---the pedi said it was close to rupturing and I as I said, my homeopath isn't close by. During and after the antibiotics I religiously gave her Culturelle and Florstor. Maybe this wasn't enough to prevent yeast? Although the sleep issues, picky eating and teeth grinding all proceeded the antibiotics. Sleep and eating pretty much her whole life. Not sure when the grinding started, but definitely before the antibiotics. Can you treat yeast with cell salts and homeopathy?

Anyway, any help in determining how I should proceed would be greatly appreciated. And PB, if I was to do 5 phos does that mean I can give her a two pellet dose of each of the 5 phos 3 times a day? I think I have three of them (I have been buying Hylands individually as I have been beginning to delve into the world of cell salts).

And all this said, it has really been my son who I have been thinking has the gut issues/food intolerance issue. Ugh! Not even sure where to start with him. I just started them on digestive enzymes. Got the Animal Parade ones with probiotics and xylitol as they seemed easier than the power to administer and remember. I have been trying to remember to give with each meal.

We do well checks with our pedi and they are both overdue for 6yr and 3 yr. Is there anything I can talk to her about testing for to determine any of this? Not sure how open she will be to testing if she doesn't see and issue.

Thanks in advance. Maybe I should have started a new thread?

[FireWithin]

DS2 got hit really hard on his front tooth.  the gum is damaged and the tooth is quite wiggly. i'm giving arnica 200c for pain and trauma. callc fluor for the wiggles?  oh maybe a mouth rinse with calendula and hypernica

ETA: and i suspect i need aconite

other ideas?

Edited by FireWithin - 3/21/11 at 5:53pm

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by FireWithin 

DS2 got hit really hard on his front tooth.  the gum is damaged and the tooth is quite wiggly. i'm giving arnica 200c for pain and trauma. callc fluor for the wiggles?  oh maybe a mouth rinse with calendula and hypernica

ETA: and i suspect i need aconite

other ideas?

I'd test for ruta now, and use calc fluor to rebuild over the next month or so.  Ruta for a few days is going to be likely though.  Poor bug!

[FireWithin]

thanks so much -- didn't think of ruta,

[mimi!]

I have read that mag. phos (8) is good for sugar cravings.  It does not mention in my book whether its hot or cold though.

I wonder if just doing the 5 phos would be good for his overall nervous health.
 

Originally Posted by aweynsayl 

any thoughts on either of these?

~ a cell salt to address someone who craves sugar when it's cold, but loathes it when it's hot? (or any thoughts on that in general?)

~ if there's a cell salt that corresponds with puls or scleranthus?

interesting info on teeth grinding. ds recently started doing it sometimes-- "for fun" he says. <fingernails on chalkboard smiley here>

[aweynsayl]

ouch! poor puppy! :-(

silica and puls-- i cant believe i didnt think of that! for this person, i dont *think* that fits, but i'll mention it. so funny i didnt think of that..... being a silica for whom puls "doesnt work"...lol!

mimi, thanks! i'll look at the mag phos. it's more an intellectual puzzle than anything... but i am curious.

re: 5phos, i might look at that. i've been giving him calc phos, and sometimes ferr and kali, depending....

love this thread!

:-)

which were the headache ones? all the phos, right? or, specifically as indicated? if i were to suggest cell salts to someone who had never heard of them, but had been having really bad headaches.... any one have a good link for that? 

[bluets]

Originally Posted by ttcintexas 

Thanks for your response, Bluets. I do work with a homeopath, who has given my DD various remedies (constitutional and acutes) over the years. I know we have talked about the teeth grinding in recent consultations. I brought up the cell salts to her last summer and she was one of those homeopaths that does not support them. Not sure she really even understood what they were as she looked at the 6x on my Bioplasma and said that was a high dose of all those things--my understanding is it's not the same as homeopathic dosages. I have not tried determining remedies myself (this is a bit frustrating...always feeling like I have to call my homeopath and pay each time we have an acute issue). Cell salts seemed somehow simpler in that there are only 12 to choose from.

Anyway, interesting about the parasites. I really hope that is not what it is. Is this what you think it is tied to in your DS? Is Cinca specific to parasites? Guess I better look up what other symptoms come a long with that. I have always thought her digestion was pretty good--she is my good pooper :) But she has always had sleep issues and is a very picky eater! And when she was x-rayed at the chiropractor she showed lots of gas. Her neck is quite messed up, and we have been using chiro to try and correct this, so I was hoping that has some to do with the grinding. Of course the pedi and the pedi dentist says it's normal for kids to grind.

Thanks again for your response.

i'll have to get back to you after i ponder it a bit.  i'm a bit swamped with stuff at the moment.  here's something for you to ponder -- the three-legged stool that PB has mentioned, though in a slightly different context: structure / function (or physiology or biochemistry) / emotion (behavior). connecting all of those (the seat of the stool, so to speak) is the vital force, chi, prana,  etc.  there's more than one way into the heart of it all - homeopathy accesses it directly, everything else nudges it indirectly.  i like a multi-pronged approach.

catnip tea + cina (when the picture fits) is our go-to for teeth-grinding + constipation combination.  parasites are very very common in kids and really nothing to write home about.

[grazy101]

I think my 3 months old is teething. I am planning to give him calc
And mag phos for his pain. But, how should i administer it? Should i dissolve a couple in water and give him throughout? Anything else I can give him? He drooled, and kept sucking his hand. When he cries, his entire face and body turns into bright red, he gets really sweaty and I think pooped more than usual. He is not comfortable, and would even refuse nursing. Anything else I can do? Would love recs for homeopathic remedies and flower essence. Also need to know how to give it to him since he is only three months.
I have some placenta essence made. Can I give it
To him?

[FireWithin]

Originally Posted by grazy101 

I think my 3 months old is teething. I am planning to give him calc
And mag phos for his pain. But, how should i administer it? Should i dissolve a couple in water and give him throughout? Anything else I can give him? He drooled, and kept sucking his hand. When he cries, his entire face and body turns into bright red, he gets really sweaty and I think pooped more than usual. He is not comfortable, and would even refuse nursing. Anything else I can do? Would love recs for homeopathic remedies and flower essence. Also need to know how to give it to him since he is only three months.
I have some placenta essence made. Can I give it
To him?

Oh poor little guy.  I have an almost 5 month old.  I started giving her cell salts at a few weeks.  What I did was dissolve a couple of salts in water to make a paste and applied it to the bottom of her foot. I then quickly put a sock on it.  at this point, I just pop one in her mouth and it dissolves, but I just recently started doing it.

I wish I could give you salt suggestions.  Mag phos can be used for colicky gassy pain, but I'm not sure about the other things.  My baby presents differently (lots of spit up, wants to nurse a lot, so I give her calc phos. )

[Panserbjorne]

I think if teething is an issue calc phos can ALWAYS be used.  mag phos is excellent for pain, ferrum phos for inflamed gums, kali phos if the pain is radiating to the ear, nat phos if the saliva is burning the skin....basically 5 phos!  Always a great choice in my mind for teething.  But yes, I'd have calc phos on hand too...

For homeopathy the old masters loved to use calc carb, aconite, belladonna, chamomilla and pulsatilla.  You can read them and see what fits.  They're by no means the only remedies...but they're good ones.

For flowers, I love emergency essence for teething.  In the Bach system (or English essences) impatiens, cherry plum, star and walnut do a good job and you just add in whatever emotional state is also popping up.  Sometimes it's chicory (chamomilla) other times it's heather (pulsatilla) you can get belladonna (holly/willow) etc.

Best of luck!  Kisses to your sweet babe.