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there's probably a few different perspectives.  The way I was taught is that the cell salts address constitutional deficiencies...meaning deficiencies you came into the world with.  They aren't generally acquired, though they can ebb and flow with illness.  So yes, they address the root cause, but they aren't always as fast as a homeopathic remedy...they are, however, more foundational.


Thanks so much!  It makes more sense now.  One's constitution works a bit like one's temperament/personality -- You're born with it.  There are inherent weaknesses and "ups and downs", but you learn to manage them.  Cell salts to strengthen the foundation, homeopathy to help with acute and higher energy disturbances.  There's a certain beauty to how all of this works together!

 

It's difficult not to compartmentalize things, but I'm slowly seeing how approaches overlap and can help the body at multiple levels (physical, mental, spirtual).  This is probably off-topic, but does anyone have suggestions on how to get my mind around how cell salts, homeopathy, energy healing, acupuncture, ayurveda, etc. work together?  The energy field seems to be one common factor.  Any thing else?

 


Edited by LCT - 11/19/10 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post

there's probably a few different perspectives.  The way I was taught is that the cell salts address constitutional deficiencies...meaning deficiencies you came into the world with.  They aren't generally acquired, though they can ebb and flow with illness.  So yes, they address the root cause, but they aren't always as fast as a homeopathic remedy...they are, however, more foundational.


Thanks so much!  It makes more sense now.  One's constitution works a bit like one's temperament/personality -- You're born with it.  There are inherent weaknesses and "ups and downs", but you learn to manage them.  Cell salts to strengthen the foundation, homeopathy to help with acute and higher energy disturbances.  There's a certain beauty to how all of this works together!

 

It's difficult not to compartmentalize things, but I'm slowly seeing how approaches overlap and can help the body at multiple levels (physical, mental, spirtual).  This is probably off-topic, but does anyone have suggestions on how to get my mind around how cell salts, homeopathy, energy healing, acupuncture, ayurveda, etc. work together?  The energy field seems to be one common factor.  Any thing else?

 


the way I was taught was that the miasm/diathesis is what you are handed down (heredity/genetics), constitution is who you are at birth,  and the temperment is what you acquire/what you become.  All are parts of the whole.

 

for me there are many different systems of medicine that have similar components.  Many people are drawn to a single system-some like to put pieces together.  Acupuncture is one energetic aspect of chinese medicine.  It's similar to homeopathy so I wouldn't do them together-I'd pick one or the other.  For me, homeopathy resonates more.  For others, acupuncture does.  Some *do* combine them.  The way I tend to look at it (right or wrong) is that it's different versions from different countries. 

 

I'd argue that cell salts are part of homeopathic medicine (though they aren't homeopathic) as are flower essences....they all work in different ways on different planes.  I find that some situation respond better to flowers than homeopathy or homeopathy over cell salts.  If you read the homeopathy thread one mama gave her dh nat sulph as a remedy when he had extreme head pain with the flu.  I do not think that in that particular situation the cell salt would have worked.  However it shows there may be a foundational need for that salt, so for a long term support it would be helpful.  With luck he'd not reach a point where that remedy was needed again.

 

I agree-it is beautiful!

post #523 of 1199

Hope I can get some help on which cell salt to use at this point.  DS and most of his preschool friends all have this never ending cough.   Ds's went away for a week or so but then came back.  Its not a really bad cough but sounds kind of raspy when he does cough.  I have been giving him Kali Mur hoping that will help.  The cough has improved.  He is coughing less.    Also, bioplasma here and there.  I picked up Laryngitis which I had for a week or so.   That turned into a cough.  When I swallow it still feels like I have post nasal drip.  So I too have been using the Kali Mur and the bioplasma.   Last week I purchased Ferr Phos b/c DS also had a headache, slight fever but that went away in a day or so.

My immune system has been really strong and I have managed to fight off everything that DS has gotten for the past few years.

But this has thrown me for a loop.  We do SA, elderberry, probiotics,fresh juices but nothing seems to help this cold.  I'm sure it has helped keep it from getting worse.  Spoke to a friend today whose DD has the croup.  I know its everywhere in my area.

I took DS to get checked by the DR last week and he confirmed his lungs sound clear.   I don't do that often but wanted to make sure I was not overlooking anything.  So what can we do now?  Keep taking the Kali Mur or should I switch to another? Will the ferr Phos help? Bioplasma as well?    I just want to get rid of this once and for all.  

post #524 of 1199

this cough is going kali mur, kali sulph, calc sulph.  Sounds like you may just need to move on in the progression.  It's a nasty one, to be sure.  The issue is that people are experiencing such thick, viscous mucus that it's not easy to cough up, so the cough lingers and lingers and lingers.  The people I've had doing salts since the onset have not had many issues at all.  The ones who didn't needed a bit more of a push.

post #525 of 1199
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Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post

this cough is going kali mur, kali sulph, calc sulph.  Sounds like you may just need to move on in the progression.  It's a nasty one, to be sure.  The issue is that people are experiencing such thick, viscous mucus that it's not easy to cough up, so the cough lingers and lingers and lingers.  The people I've had doing salts since the onset have not had many issues at all.  The ones who didn't needed a bit more of a push.


Thank-you. You hit the nail on the head!!  I didn't know how to explain it but yes it is thick mucous in the throat and chest- never had anything like it.  Its like its stuck-can't come out.  So we should stop the Kali mur and do the Kali sulph then the calc sulph?  How often?  I'm going to run to the HFS immediately.
 


Edited by es1967 - 11/29/10 at 12:04pm
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We just started seeing a homeopath who does cell salts.  It's been for my 3 year old son who is having asthma issues.  He had a cold back in September and just never shook the cough.  He had one bad asthma episode back when he was 22 months (hospital stay and all) but has had no further issues until now (so 1.5 years with no astham symptoms).  The cough has just come and gone since Sept and occasionally gets tight and requires us to use his inhaler.  He also got very tight 3 weeks ago and we wound up going to the ER.  By the time we got their he had improved (from an extra albuterol puff) but they put him on oral steroids for 3 days.  Cough improved a bit and THEN came back.  After reading this thread I took him back to our new homeopath and she started him on the biophosphates blend and Nat Sulph (also pulsatilla 30C).

 

My question is about dosing and how long to continue.  Our homeopath instructed me to give DS the blend and the Nat sulph 3X a day for a few days and then go down to 1X a day.  We've tried it a few times and everytime I go down to 1X a day the cough comes back.  In reading this thread it seems many people stay on more frequent doses for a much longer time.  Why does our homeopath want us to only do the higher frequency doses for a few days?  Is this a differing in philosophies?  Other than this, I really do like her and she combines craniosacral work with her homeopathy to "read" which remedy and cell salt would work best (and I do think she has been spot on with these). 

 

Yesterday he had been on the 1X a day dose for two days and out of the blue had a coughing fit in the evening.  I started the cell salts and a pulsatilla dose BUT I think I was not fast enough and we couldn't get it under control.  I eventually had to use the inhaler (first time in 2 weeks).  Today I went back up to 3X a day and the third was right as he started coughing this evening.  5 minutes later the cough was gone and he's been fine ever since.

 

So, again, I really like this homeopath BUT also think my DS seems to need to be on these cell salts at a higher dose for longer.  Especially for something like asthma.  What would people here recommend?  In my gut I feel like he needs to be on the 3X a day for a much longer time. 

post #527 of 1199

I'd talk to your practitioner.  She sounds excellent.  If you communicate that you see a recurrence of symptoms when you reduce the number of doses she may change her recommendations.  Given that she knows the history it's best that she knows what's happening so she can follow and chart the case accurately.  Best of luck!  I also tend to use cranial rhythms to assess accuracy when possible-I've found it's actually very helpful. 

 

No practitioner is perfect, but they can all be better with feedback from the clients!

post #528 of 1199

Thank you!  I will do that.  We have an appt scheduled with her on Wednesday. It's neat to hear other use the cranial rhythms.  I really like that she does that.

post #529 of 1199

not cell salts, but we've been using Banerjea's protocol for reducing dependency on prescription asthma meds with a client.  through this summer that was bad for allergies here, one client only used his inhaler once and even rarely used his acute homeopathic remedy; we're still working on the deeper constitutional issues.  you might have your practitioner consider it to see if it is appropriate for your situation: http://www.similima.com/org63.html

 

 

post #530 of 1199

Bluets, that is fascinating!  I was looking over the 8 homeopathic bronchodialators and the cassia sophera sounds exactly like what my DS is going through right now.  Very interesting . . . 

post #531 of 1199

that's what we had recommended to our client but when my mentor called Boiron, they actually suggested something different (quebacha, i think) which seems to be really working for the client.

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I have a crazy awful asthma case right now that has been doing amazingly well with salts-but she has to keep up with them.  I actually did something nutty and used a combination drainage remedy along with them and she's not had to use any of her meds since.  It's been a few months which is unheard of for her.  She was using her inhaler several times a night.  This is an excellent stopgap while we find her constitutional.  It's cases like these that make me love drainage remedies!

 

Jennifer, that's awesome news!  It's awesome to see things like that work.

post #533 of 1199

Cassia sophera sounds appropriate in DS's coughing/asthma (ongoing) situation as well.

 

I came here to ask: Could it be the cell salts?

 

In the past week, DS has caught a small cold and/or is reacting to dairy he was exposed to on Saturday evening. He has a stuffy nose, and colds typically move to his chest. So he's coughing and wheezing a little. The stuffy nose looks very cold-like. Lots of mucous and nose-blowing and wiping during daytime hours.

 

DS nurses about once a day - either at bedtime or in the morning, sometimes both. He may have been secondarily exposed to the dairy because I didn't avoid it Sat, either. BUT, the dairy reaction (if there was one) seemed to be confined to disturbed sleep on Sat evening, and nothing following that didn't seem to be a progression of his possible cold.

 

I am taking Calc Fluor for chiropractic issues, and I took 2 doses late yesterday. DS nursed to sleep at 9pm. At 2am, he came to our room and when he fell back asleep, he was COMPLETELY breathing through his nose and the nose seemed to be completely clear. He nursed at 7am, and by 7:30, he was fully awake and up - with a stuffy nose.

 

Can cell salts go into breastmilk? That fast? (from taking them at 4pm and having him nurse at 9pm. He hadn't nursed since the night before.)

post #534 of 1199

Had another rough evening with DS's asthma.  He had a coughing fit.  BUT we got to it in time with the cell salts and pulsatilla.  I wasn't sure it was going to work and was very close to using his inhaler.  Our homeopath said I could dose the nerve tonic and nat sulph 4 times every 10ish minutes and the pulsatilla twice 10 min apart for acute asthma issues.  She said to try the cell salts first and then the pulsatilla if the salts don't manage it.   I did that and at the last dose of pulsatilla he finally stopped coughing and is now breathing easily.

 

It's good but I worry. We see his homeopath tomorrow.  Hoping she has some more good advice on how to proceed.  We saw his regular MD asthma/allergy doc today (for his yearly visit) and she is all about the steroids.  Hoping we can avoid those.

 

Oh, and what are drainage remedies?  When are they used?  What do they help with?  DS's coughing is always very loose and mucusy sounding.

post #535 of 1199
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Can cell salts go into breastmilk? That fast? (from taking them at 4pm and having him nurse at 9pm. He hadn't nursed since the night before.)



Yes.  Absolutely. That's the beauty of energetics.  Going out on a limb here, and trying not to sound too woo-woo: The cell salts probably induced a shift in your energetic body, which induced a change in your child's being.

post #536 of 1199
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Had another rough evening with DS's asthma.  He had a coughing fit.  BUT we got to it in time with the cell salts and pulsatilla.  I wasn't sure it was going to work and was very close to using his inhaler.  Our homeopath said I could dose the nerve tonic and nat sulph 4 times every 10ish minutes and the pulsatilla twice 10 min apart for acute asthma issues.  She said to try the cell salts first and then the pulsatilla if the salts don't manage it.   I did that and at the last dose of pulsatilla he finally stopped coughing and is now breathing easily.

 

It's good but I worry. We see his homeopath tomorrow.  Hoping she has some more good advice on how to proceed.  We saw his regular MD asthma/allergy doc today (for his yearly visit) and she is all about the steroids.  Hoping we can avoid those.

 

Oh, and what are drainage remedies?  When are they used?  What do they help with?  DS's coughing is always very loose and mucusy sounding.


Nat sulph is a really good drainage remedy that you're already using :)

 

I use nat mur, kali mur and kali phos - not that those are necessarily drainage remedies in general, but they act as drainage remedies in me.

 

Oh, and as an FYI.  I had a blistering headache in the car on the way to visit family last week.  The only thing in reach was my pack of cell salts.  I guessed (by reading the handy dandy card insert) and took mag phos and ferr phos - within about 30 minutes, my headache was gone.  

post #537 of 1199

many remedies can be used as drainage remedies.  IN general they would be low potency and work on specific emunctories.  There are combinations available by several companies that are not meant to be homeopathic, but rather to stimulate the body and allow it to release toxins where they seem to be stuck. 

 

A constitutional remedy, well chose and given regularly can act as a drainage remedy on it's own, but for some while looking for that remedy cleaning up the terrain is necessary.  It can allow you to see a clearer picture. 

 

There are many different schools of thought on this one, but I personally tend more to the practical side and find many instances where a well chosen drainage formula can make a huge, huge difference.

post #538 of 1199

Thanks for the info!  We saw our homeopath today and she added Nat Mur to Ds's group of cell salts.  She also decided to keep him on 3X a day for the next two weeks.  So far so good tonight! 

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Can cell salts go into breastmilk? That fast? (from taking them at 4pm and having him nurse at 9pm. He hadn't nursed since the night before.)



Yes.  Absolutely. That's the beauty of energetics.  Going out on a limb here, and trying not to sound too woo-woo: The cell salts probably induced a shift in your energetic body, which induced a change in your child's being.


See, I'm confused. I didn't think cell salts were energetic. I thought they were substantive (substantial? having substance is what I mean). Except that the cell salt formulation I have says homeopathic on the bottle, so I assume then that they ARE (at least my bottle is) energetic? (they're the lactose-free ones from PB)

 

But, cool that the mechanism can be this way.  I am partially of the mind that DS can wean at any time now, because that would make my diet easier and our relationship somewhat easier. BUT, if I don't wean, then I can continue to have these little effects on him!

 

Thanks for the feedback!

post #540 of 1199

they are both!  The have material substance, but they ARE energetic and because they bypass digestion they go into the cells immediately!

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