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post #901 of 1199

they both started as an offshoot of homeopathy.  There were two practitioners who thought it was silly to wade through all those pesky remedies and wanted to make things easier, lol.  (Not true of Bach-I'm just being silly.)  The biochemic system is more material, the flowers are more spiritual.  But homeopathy is the REAL medicine.  LOL.

 

Seriously though, Bach wanted to put healing in the hands of the masses.  He wanted a system that was elegant, safe and effective.  He didn't believe people had to be reliant on a practitioner in order to find wellness.   Shuessler had a different endgame, he DID want to simplify, but regardless what he did was create a system that anyone could use and understand.

 

If you take them both you have the physical aspect and the spiritual/emotional and there IS crossover.  Cell salts have mental indications too!

 

There are lots of times when cell salts and flowers won't really cut it and you'll want homeopathy.  That's for sure.  I think it's a serious mistake to undervalue the salts and flowers as a result though.

post #902 of 1199
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Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1 View Post

Sunny, do you give your dd other salts if you are giving that much bioplasma?


Sometimes. The calcs and ferr phos, for sure, and I think mag phos a few times. I should also mention DH & I both took some of that 500 pill bottle when we first got it. (I switched to Luyties 12x Bioplasma. DH hasn't really taken any since December.) And, I just looked at the calendar... we got it in mid-December, so my estimate is off. Where DID February go??? dizzy.gif lol.gif

post #903 of 1199

However, I just did the math. One 500-pill bottle is only a month's supply if you are taking 4 pills 4 times a day... a little longer if you take breaks. Wow. I never thought of it like that before.

post #904 of 1199
Any cell salts good for nose bleeds? My 19 month old got one in bed and he got one today playing with 3 yr old sister. He is usually taking calc fluor and calc phos. Perhaps ferrum phos? Or pulsatilla?
post #905 of 1199

Ferr phos, according to the biochemic handbook...

post #906 of 1199

yup, ferrum phos alternated with calc phos and I'd perhaps give a dose of homeopathic phosphorous if you want quicker response.  Notice all that phos...phosphorous is very tied in with blood from a homeopathic/biochemic perspective.

post #907 of 1199

I have a runny nose-- clear, watery discharge. It started this morning when I walked DD to school (7:20 - 7:45 am). I figured it was the chill in the air, so I blew my nose and went on with my day. Went for another walk with my dad mid-morning, no chill (mid 60s)...still the runny nose. I read a few sources and decided to take 1 nat mur every few minutes until it went away. I'm still taking it over an hour later and I read more on nat mur. I have quite a few of the classic nat mur symptoms. How does this change the picture?

 

Meanwhile it is up to the low 70s (very sunny) and I just got back from walking to pick DD up from school. My eyes itch and I wore sunglasses. They feel dry and goopy at the same time.

 

At some point earlier, I also took 2 nat sulph. Prior to that, I took four of each of calc fluor, calc phos, kali phos, and nat mur. I fixed a pot of hot tea earlier (yogi "calming") and have had two large mugs of it with a teaspoon of local honey in each.

 

Meanwhile, I am seeing progression in other areas: elimination is functioning better and I feel calmer.

post #908 of 1199

baby girl pooped twice yesterday and had a nice long stretch of sleep last night. happy sigh. . I've been working on increasing the frequency of salts for her.

 

We all started head colds - DS! is a bit further in --nat mur helped him.  Ferr phos helped me.  Baby girl has a clear drippy nose, so I will add some extra salts to her next "foot treatment".

 

I adore the fact that we no longer have to worry about colds.

post #909 of 1199
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Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post

they both started as an offshoot of homeopathy.  There were two practitioners who thought it was silly to wade through all those pesky remedies and wanted to make things easier, lol.  (Not true of Bach-I'm just being silly.)  The biochemic system is more material, the flowers are more spiritual.  But homeopathy is the REAL medicine.  LOL.

 

Seriously though, Bach wanted to put healing in the hands of the masses.  He wanted a system that was elegant, safe and effective.  He didn't believe people had to be reliant on a practitioner in order to find wellness.   Shuessler had a different endgame, he DID want to simplify, but regardless what he did was create a system that anyone could use and understand.

 

If you take them both you have the physical aspect and the spiritual/emotional and there IS crossover.  Cell salts have mental indications too!

 

There are lots of times when cell salts and flowers won't really cut it and you'll want homeopathy.  That's for sure.  I think it's a serious mistake to undervalue the salts and flowers as a result though.


thank you for this. i've been reading some old threads and exploring homeopathy more... i tend to adore the simplistic, so i am more drawn to cell salts and FEs. but i experienced wonderful success with classic homeopathy in my childhood, when nothing else would help me (mom took me to a homeopath when conventional docs were stumped with me, lol), so i have a good deal of respect in that area as well. it's just a little easier to not be successful with it on your own, ime. i'm puzzling around with notions of chronic vs acute and such, as i posted in the fe/homeopathy thread.... so i know i'll be coming back with more questions about the interplay of all three (though i suppose that conversation belongs more on the fe/homeopathy thread...). 

post #910 of 1199

Just wanted to report my first really dramatic cell salt experience.  I have a problem with stress-related congestive migraines - they usually start when I first wake up and leave me in a total brain fog - and my mornings are super busy -- so it has been so much easier to reach for prescription or OTC meds to deal with the worst of the symptoms than to sit down and tap on them, say.  

 

A while back, bluets recommended ferr phos and mag phos, and the other phos's if those don't work. I finally got around to printing out her instructions and putting them and my cell salts where I could reach for them easily, right next to my other headache remedies.

 

 I only have ferr, mag and calc phos, so mixed a little cup of them together and took a few every few minutes as I remembered.  Within 10 min the symptoms were *gone* and haven't returned.  That was faster than prescription meds!  And much cheaper!  And totally effective, whereas the scrip meds don't do more than take the edge off.

 

I cannot say what an improvement in my quality of life such an easy solution to migraines is/would be.... I am *so* excited!  Thanks, *so much*,  bluets!

 

I mean, I've seen improvement in dental issues, acne issues, and BO issues with the use of cell salts but that was over a few days or weeks.  This was practically *instant*.  Wow.

 

Now...what cell salt would you lovely ladies recommend for carpal tunnel/repetetive strain  issues?  Calc phos comes up - I have been using that for other things but not a dramatic improvement.

post #911 of 1199
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Originally Posted by Aubergine68 View Post


Now...what cell salt would you lovely ladies recommend for carpal tunnel/repetetive strain  issues?  Calc phos comes up - I have been using that for other things but not a dramatic improvement.


calc fluor.

post #912 of 1199
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Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post




calc fluor.

 

Saw your message a couple hours ago, got out the calc fluor and -  well, I could expand on it but symptoms that were severe for me this morning are  almost completely gone.
 

flowersforyou.gif for you!  Thanks so very much!

 

I have a little tome I got when I bought my cell salts but I thinkneed to order a copy of the Biochemic Handbook.  The booklet I'm using is not that easy to use or that useful.

 

 

 

I'm actually wandering around in a state of  bigeyes.gif because there is a big part of me not so deep down inside that is skeptical of anything relating to homeopathy. I feel like I should drop everything and  email all my migraine-prone  friends and relations and tell them to run out and buy some cell salts.  

 

aweyn - I was browsing samples of a lot of old books about flower essences/ homeopathy/cell salts on my kindle a while back - don't have titles with me - I can find them if anyone wants.  If you have a kindle reader you might want to search those terms.  They seemed charming, and possibly useful, but I haven't the time to just sit and work through them.

post #913 of 1199

Aubergine - glad you saw results!  if you're into that sort of thing, you can intuit what you need.  i have mine in a black case (i got the cell salt kit from luyties), and i just kind of let my fingers do the walking without actually seeing the label.

 

and aweyn, silica and some bodywork were exactly what i needed the other day.  (did i mention that i did my FIRST manipulation?  CRACK!  on my mentor no less, who doesn't normally crack)  but darn it, forgot the rock water.

post #914 of 1199

What would I use for a lost voice, due to a cold type illness?

post #915 of 1199

Yay! I just got my set of cellsalts, and just in time! There is a fever going around our house. I have been studying the Biochemic handbook and have some questions about treating acute symptoms.

I'm going to give ferr phos along with nat mur (Is this the right remedy? we have sneezing and clear mucus) How frequently do I give the remedies? For how long should I give them? Should I also continue Bioplasma 3x a day, no matter what else I give?

post #916 of 1199

For acute symptoms, I take the cell salts every 15 minutes or thereabouts for as long as it takes to see results. It works very quickly in my 9 yo dd (less than an hour) and she keeps it up for a few extra times before stretching the doses out to 3-4 times a day and then discontinuing. She takes bioplasma whenever she wants, usually 2-3 times a day.

 

For me, I have played around a bit. Every 15 minutes worked, but it took me nearly all day long (daylight hours). Every 5 minutes worked faster (about 2 hours). I took one tablet every five minutes. I think I took 3 of each cell salt when I was doing the 15 minute intervals. I don't take bioplasma regularly.

post #917 of 1199

PK!  I feel like it's been ages since I've seen you around!

 

I'll second everything stated about.  If you can remember you can do every 15-30 minutes in the beginning stages and then just do what you need to to keep the symptoms at bay.  You naturally do taper off as the picture changes.  SO while I might do every 30 minutes when things are bad, the next day I might do every two hours and the day after that just 6 times and if I then feel great I'll go to 4 times...it's a very natural progression that is quite intuitive.  The only stumbling block is worrying that you're giving them too often, or not wanting to.  You really can't overdo it easily. 

post #918 of 1199
Hi PB! I usually read this thread and Paleo but rarely have time to post. I don't do computer or phone while the kids are around and I've been going to bed early so I have very little time for myself. Both kids went to bed early tonight smile.gif

Dd still had a slight fever when she went to bed- I dosed her about every 30 min with ferr phos and nat mur. Same for DS, I hope they wake in better spirits. Thanks for the advice! Right now, it seams that cell salts are complicated, I hope that I feel familiar with them soon.
post #919 of 1199

well, I'm glad to see you here!

 

They can be complicated, but if you stick to the superficial layer to begin with you'll do fine.   the more you learn and feel them the deeper you can go.

 

If you stick with simple "keynotes" that can get you through.  Ferrum phos is the first aid salt.  If you don't know what to give, that's one to think about!  heat, redness, swelling, flushing, initial stages of cold/flu before mucus hits, fevers etc.  Swollen finger? ferrum phos.  minor burn?  ferrum phos.  red swollen gums in a teething baby?  ferrum phos.  fever with red cheeks?  you guessed it...ferrum phos.  Easy peasy.  Red.  Warm.  Puffy.

 

 

Nat mur-fluid regulation.  watery discharge, extreme thirst, or lack thereof, dry or cracked lips and skin, weeping or inability to cry, headache from dehydration, runny nose, inability to sweat, profuse sweating, salt craving, frequent urination, edema (can also be nat sulph which also helps with fluid regulation in a different way-even so you can always try nat mur first.)  So while ferrum phos could be narrowed down to inflammation, nat mur can be thought of when there's issues with fluid. 

 

Yes, you can get way deeper with both but to start out with those could be little "cheats" to get you by until you can get to a book!  Hopefully Bluets has some gems to add!

post #920 of 1199

for throbbing headaches, i start with ferr phos but often find myself including mag phos.  sometimes calc phos too i think?

 

nat sulph is great for drainage associated with head injuries where there is also headache.

 

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