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Originally Posted by aweynsayl View Post




 is it because of health restored? because, cant there always be something deeper?

 

ok, here's where i am going with this on a personal level..... when i was one, i had a fairly serious illness. one that relates, intriguingly, very very nicely with silica. it was an inhalation of renovation dust (quite possibly, silicates? ha.). and some spores--which lead to something called valley fever. which can leave people after with a basically life long weakened state. (i should add that, i was born one month early, although supposedly in excellent health when i was born.) would it be too ironic if silica was actually also my constitutional before that illness..... or, might not all this (centaury,silica) be a..... what would you call it? not-true miasm? but something that resulted because of this illness at the age of one............ and my "true miasm" is burried somewhere beneath that?

so firstly for clarification purposes, silica is a remedy, not a miasm.   A miasm is what you came into the world with and is fairly intertwined with genetics, or epigenetics, as the case may be.  For our purposes, and based on this part of my training, silica belongs to the brown or "cancer" miasm (dont' freak out...the miasms have terrible names.)  It's a combination of equal dominance in inward, outward and circular energy.  If you had all of those equally present on your face then it's possible that it is your true constitutional remedy.  However if you are circular dominant, you could still be helped by silica....quite a bit.  But it would not be likely to be YOUR remedy. 

 

And yes, there is always going to be something deeper...but you aren't ever likely to change how you manage in health, in disease, in happiness or in grief.  You will always be you, it's just a matter of what kind of stress you are under.   For instance if process stress a certain way, you're likely to always process it in that way...but what stresses you, or the level of stress required to push you to that point, could change.

 

If your body is dominant in circular energy and likes to trap and encapsulate that has physical/mental and emotional ramifications.  In health, you wouldn't see symptoms necessarily, but you'd have a person who was family oriented, fostered growth, liked to create things.  This is archetypally the farmer, the person who is most tuned in to fertility or the land, animals etc.  In disease you can see tumors, cysts, warts, mucus, asthma, anxiety, panic, communication issues, a detachment from others as a result. etc.  A person dominant in circular energy is going to have patterns of balance or imbalance that follow that circular energy and will look different from a person with dominant outward energy.  Does that make sense?  YES, you can have things that are deeper, but they will follow that pattern.

 

So for health being restored?  No, I wouldn't say it is really defined in that way.  Being able to rebuild is more like it.  You are the product of your life's experiences, so you won't go backward.  You will integrate fully and become a more functional human being with less pathology and more creative ability.

 

And my theory is that centaury is also "brown."  so silica and centaury likely belong to the same miasm.
 

 

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Panserbjorne, you are a fascinating woman! You have a gift of explaining complex ideas in ways that make sense to me.

 

I would like to learn more about the maisms, particularly the "farmer" or circularly dominant concepts. That is ringing all sorts of bells with me. Are there books I can find at the library? Are there links to online articles or ebooks or websites? Are there threads here on MDC? Feel free to elaborate in your own words, as well.

 

If I am understanding correctly, this is what you were saying to me in my congestion thread. If so, how does one start rebuilding? I've seen you use that term before and I've been curious.

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to rebuild, in this context, would be to reduce the stress (via the correct remedy) so that you weren't working against a stress response.  once that resistance is eliminated, healing can happen.

 

The only book out there is called Soul and Survival by Grant Bentley.  It was written for people who wanted to understand the basic concepts.  It's fascinating.  There's some stuff online, but it's not great.  I didn't realize the depth of the system until I started working with him.  The book is quite riveting though. 

 

This is an article on Homeopathic Facial Analysis:

http://www.homeorizon.com/homeopathic-articles/materia-medica/face-reading

 

and some free seminars:

http://soulandsurvival.org/content/grant-bentley-seminars

 

I have found it to be extremely useful and Grant was probably one of my best, if not the best teacher I had for homeopathy.  I worked several cases alongside him and was always delighted to see the concepts play out, as they continue to in my practice.

post #964 of 1199

That article was fascinating, and it was laid out in such a simple, straightforward way that even I could follow. 

 

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by tanyalynn View Post

That article was fascinating, and it was laid out in such a simple, straightforward way that even I could follow. 

 

Thanks!

that's one of the things I love about him.  there's no ego block.  he's possibly one of the most brilliant people I've met, but he is incredibly down to earth.  He doesn't believe that he's "better" or "smarter" than anyone.  Sadly, he doesn't like cell salts!
 

 

post #966 of 1199
I look forward to reading this thread every night! I've read your posts about them, but now a bright light is shining ahead! I can't wait to read the article on it.

On a whiny note, I have to report I am no better, my body is fighting hard to win over this infection. Every night my fever returns with a slight headache and my joints ache badly. This is about day 5 of these symptoms and I have been downing cell salt water all day long ( the 5 phosphates) I can't remember the last time I was this sick. And I just remembered today that in January I had to get a flu shot and the hepatitis a and b shots. I was horrified and tried every avenue I could not to get them. So far I have not read about vaccine damage in the biochemical handbook. I really want these cell salts to work for me, but so far I have had a bunch of misses.

Sorry to change the subject from such a powerful idea into a self centered acute problem.
post #967 of 1199

PK-you may want to do an acute remedy in addition to the cell salts at this point.  They can often be enough on their own, but sometimes you need the extra push of the remedy.  They can work beautifully together.  Do you have remedies on hand?

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Huge face palm, I completely forgot I started taking iodine a week ago!!! How could I forget?!? I started with 300mcg and the first few days i didnt feel any different. Talk about brain fog! I am flushing with sea salt now and rubbed some mag oil into my skin.

PB- I would love a remedy, I have some on hand. Can we do an email or phone session? I'll contact you in the morning.

Edited by Punchy Kaby - 3/2/11 at 8:36pm
post #969 of 1199

Hi there-I'm booked this morning until 2 or so.  I can figure something out between 2 and 3 if you like!

 

Your "flu" could be the iodine.  can you cut down your dose a bit to see if that helps along with the salt flush?

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..but what does that mean in the real world?  Are there layers?  Do they change?  Do different things get revealed as you dig?  Or is it constant?  Is it a layer of disease, or is it something totally different?  A way your body/mind/spirit compensates under stress?

 

Now, I love miasms so I've studied them ad nauseaum.  I don't know all there is to know.  However there is a definition that had the ring of truth to me.  A miasm is how your body handles stress and how it expresses creativity.  It is a cellular memory that is held by the collective unconscious and there is evidence that dated back through recorded history.

 

The miasm is your energy and how you interface with the world.  There are three different directions of energy, and you can be dominant in one, or multiple directions, but we all have all of them.  The dominance is displayed on your face (for very good reason) and it does not change.  It's who you are in the world and will define how you process  and interpret things.  It will also give a clue as to your personality, your strengths and weaknesses.

 

this makes so much more sense to me, intuitively, than what i was reading. i wont express it as well as i'd like, but it was feeling like what i was reading was saying-- diseases were so big and so disruptive that you were literally a different person with them, and if you treated the miasm of that illness, you would be healed, and be you again (in other words, even if you healed from the illness, the miasm of the illness was still affecting you, unless you treated that). the thought of the illness i had at the age of one doing that to me was.... well, compelling, but disturbing. lol.

 

now i'm going to try to relate that to what we talk about with FEs, of "peeling layers".... only, i'm not even sure how to ask it..... ok, maybe i'm not going to relate it to that. *sigh* i'll get there. i can feel that it's a different thing, but my mind had been trying to link them, so it will take a while for my mind to change its.... uh, mind. lol.

 

.....  More shocking is the fact that during a seminar where in a room of 100 homeopaths taking a case, often you'll have 60-70 remedy selections, and in this system with 100 homeopaths working a case you have 2-3.  It makes things that precise.

 

This changed the way I practice and what I love about it is that there's nothing to be "fixed."  I never really believed there was.  There's just ways a person reacts under stress that can be supported.  Once a remedy is chosen that is aligned with the dominant energy system it can go deeper and is more likely to be that constitutional remedy.  Theory is all well and good, but the reason this shines is because it actually translates into practice.  Anyway, just another perspective, but I am quite confident that miasms, if you define them this way, do not change.  But, as I said, there are many definitions of miasms.  For me, I tend to look for what works, and this system does. 

 

i love the not to be fixed, as well. i was talking with someone about FEs, and that came up..."am i broken?" they asked. this feels much better, and nicely inline, too, with FEs, in that sense. 

 

under this, then... does one take a constitutional all the time, or just when one "needs" it...??

i think what i was reading was basically saying you take one "constitutional" to heal your miasm, then once that peels away, you find your new miasm, take a remedy for that... and so on.... i could be misreading it, but that was how it seemed to be coming across... which is a thought so.... undless... it's dispiriting. 

 

<added other post as well....>

 

 

so firstly for clarification purposes, silica is a remedy, not a miasm.   (right, got that)  A miasm is what you came into the world with and is fairly intertwined with genetics, or epigenetics, as the case may be.  For our purposes, and based on this part of my training, silica belongs to the brown or "cancer" miasm (dont' freak out...the miasms have terrible names.)  It's a combination of equal dominance in inward, outward and circular energy.  If you had all of those equally present on your face then it's possible that it is your true constitutional remedy.  However if you are circular dominant, you could still be helped by silica....quite a bit.  But it would not be likely to be YOUR remedy. 

 

And yes, there is always going to be something deeper...but you aren't ever likely to change how you manage in health, in disease, in happiness or in grief.  You will always be you, it's just a matter of what kind of stress you are under.   For instance if process stress a certain way, you're likely to always process it in that way...but what stresses you, or the level of stress required to push you to that point, could change.

 

If your body is dominant in circular energy and likes to trap and encapsulate that has physical/mental and emotional ramifications.  In health, you wouldn't see symptoms necessarily, but you'd have a person who was family oriented, fostered growth, liked to create things.  This is archetypally the farmer, the person who is most tuned in to fertility or the land, animals etc.  In disease you can see tumors, cysts, warts, mucus, asthma, anxiety, panic, communication issues, a detachment from others as a result. etc.  A person dominant in circular energy is going to have patterns of balance or imbalance that follow that circular energy and will look different from a person with dominant outward energy.  Does that make sense?  YES, you can have things that are deeper, but they will follow that pattern.

 

that last bit really helps. and makes much more sense in my gut, than what i'd been reading.

but.... i'm getting confused... is cancer/brown dominant in circular energy or equal in all three? 

 

So for health being restored?  No, I wouldn't say it is really defined in that way.  Being able to rebuild is more like it.  You are the product of your life's experiences, so you won't go backward.  You will integrate fully and become a more functional human being with less pathology and more creative ability.

 

no, i like that so much better. like i said, what i was reading was really talking in a very different way, and really had it as someone's health being restored (after treating a "false"(?) miasm), and therefore they were now able to see the "real" miasm. (in otherwords, the "real" miasm was blocked by the illness-- and so, presenting a "false" one.... so, removing the illness "restored" that person to their true miasm.) this could maybe be more confusing if we tried hard, lol. 

 

And my theory is that centaury is also "brown."  so silica and centaury likely belong to the same miasm

 


well, purely on a gut level, i am totally a brown. and silica and centaury are certainly key for me, if not "constitutional"... fwiw, i did take the face wizard, and came up as brown. i laughed after, that i spent all that time doing something when i already "knew" the answer.... 

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Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post



that's one of the things I love about him.  there's no ego block.  he's possibly one of the most brilliant people I've met, but he is incredibly down to earth.  He doesn't believe that he's "better" or "smarter" than anyone.  Sadly, he doesn't like cell salts!
 

 

hmmm.... do they maybe not fit his groupings as well? have you personally figured out which cell salts correspond to each of his maisms? or is it not quite that simple? (i love simple things, in case you hadnt figured that out, lol)
 

 

ETA: oh, and, if one wanted to get the bottle of 50,000 cell salts, where would one find them? i looked on 1-800, and they just have 500. 

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hmmm.... do they maybe not fit his groupings as well? have you personally figured out which cell salts correspond to each of his maisms? or is it not quite that simple? (i love simple things, in case you hadnt figured that out, lol)
 

 

ETA: oh, and, if one wanted to get the bottle of 50,000 cell salts, where would one find them? i looked on 1-800, and they just have 500. 


I have some and put in an order for more through BestMade. There is only one distributor in the US and he's sold out, but should have new stock coming in in the next few months.  YAY for that!  You can email me if you want more information.  I love those giant bottles.

 

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and sorry....I was illustrating the difference between solely circular energy (red) and brown, which is an equal combination. 

 

and to the other question...in this system there is nothing to heal.  Yes, some people practice that way and are looking at it as a disease layer.  This system just looks at it as a survival mechanism which is something that is right and simply needs to be supported.  The more support you have the less you are going to have to revert to the place of "survival" and can be in the "soul" state, which is loving, creative, allows you to be in joy and give back to the world.  If you are in survival and under stress you are incapable of that as you are living out your patterns of compensation.

 

No suprise on the brown thing!  The online wizard isn't great, and there's only a 2 feature margin of error so people rarely come up as what they actually are.  However, for you?  I think you did fine.  I'd be suprised if you weren't brown.
 

 

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yessss i want the big bottles. i'll email you. :-)

 

i agree. the "support"--- i love that word choice so much better. and makes it all so much more "do-able" imo.

 

still want to get at what's bugging me re:FEs and this overall concept, but i think that will be maybe next week's project, lol.

 

and yes, i cant imagine not being a brown. all my "type" things are like that. total libra, total enfp...... 

 

(if anyone else wanted to do the wizard, i'd suggest doing it in front of a mirror, rather than with photos.... and, you have to be really willing to look at yourself. honestly. lol. and probably hear yourself say, "gak! my chin looks just like grandma's....." just so you know. lol)

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Would there be value in working my way from the most acute issues (as they occur) to the most aggravating issues (as they come to the surface) to the more subtle issues that linger in the back of my mind?

 

I may or may not hit on the "remedy" in this process and I am okay with that. Ultimately, all of this is a process of self-discovery, which I value regardless of the outcome.


yes there would be value in it.  in fact, that is sort of the way my mentor does homeopathic prescribing.  we address the immediate symptoms with a remedy, in the hopes that it will reveal something deeper.  he doesn't necessarily do one remedy at a time.  he uses remedies intercurrently - meaning one week you might have a 30C potency of one remedy; the next week (or two) later, you would have a 30C remedy of a related but different remedy.  then he'd move to a higher potency of both remedies.  each time, however, it is a wait-and-see-then-reassess approach.  he's also very intuitive about it (or maybe it's experience? he's been a homeopath for well over 25 years).

 

unrelated to your query, in one of my first intakes, i suggested that the patient take bioplasma as a regular maintenance thing, with mag phos (cell salt) for acute issues - migraines and muscle pain specifically.  my mentor doesn't use cell salts regularly with a lot of patients, but this particular patient, I felt, would benefit from it.  so that was one of my recommendations.  he was pleased, in a sort of surprised way.  it was especially apt for this patient because s/he already had exposure to both cell salts and homeopathy, so it wasn't difficult to explain it to her. 

 

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Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post

to rebuild, in this context, would be to reduce the stress (via the correct remedy) so that you weren't working against a stress response.  once that resistance is eliminated, healing can happen.

 

The only book out there is called Soul and Survival by Grant Bentley.  It was written for people who wanted to understand the basic concepts.  It's fascinating.  There's some stuff online, but it's not great.  I didn't realize the depth of the system until I started working with him.  The book is quite riveting though. 

 

This is an article on Homeopathic Facial Analysis:

http://www.homeorizon.com/homeopathic-articles/materia-medica/face-reading

 

and some free seminars:

http://soulandsurvival.org/content/grant-bentley-seminars

 

I have found it to be extremely useful and Grant was probably one of my best, if not the best teacher I had for homeopathy.  I worked several cases alongside him and was always delighted to see the concepts play out, as they continue to in my practice.


Awesome! Thank you! smile.gif

 

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Thanks for the feedback, bluets! thumb.gif

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treating the acute as it comes up... that's comparable to what we say with FEs, right? the peeling the onion? vs. finding the constitutional and treating with that...... coffee's not working too well this morning for some reason, lol.... but i think that was the thing i wanted to say but couldnt. unearthing deeper layers by treating what comes up as it does.... is a *great* way to figure stuff out.... you're not, though, getting at a "new," "more true," miasm.... but rather getting closer to your ONE??? is that fair to say? (stopped in the middle and made more coffee.... lol.)

 

ahh, bluets! you will convert him to greater cell salt usage! huzzah! ;-)

 

back to the mundane......any suggestions for cell salts (or something else) to help with a ridiculous tendency to get really nasty ingrown hairs? (in addition to exfoliating. he knows he should and sometimes does but then lapses. i told him i'd ask.....)

post #979 of 1199

not cell salts but for me, trouble with hairs poking through skin are often vitamin C deficiency sign - eat more berries!  silica cell salt might help.

post #980 of 1199

lol. he cant have my silica! nononono. mine. mine. mine.

 

he does take emergen-c.... actually, i wonder if he hasnt been. because he was doing great for a while. hmmmmm.

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