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post #1041 of 1122
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Originally Posted by ann_of_loxley View Post
So when did Aaron die then? Cause he was there at the end. ...in baby form? What about the baby in-utero?
They all died at different ages, so the ages they were in the church are not the ages at which each person passed away----just the ages they were when they were all together on the island.
post #1042 of 1122
Someone explained that well in the last page, I think. Aaron and Sun's daughter didn't die as babies, but they entered the sideways universe/afterlife in the form that the characters needed in order to remember. I think it's safe to assume that both children went on to live their lives, and that their own sideways experience would involve people other than the Losties. I think this is probably an invention of the writers...that some characters can go through the sideways twice, or at ages different than when they died (like Kate, Hurley, or Ben...who obviously lived long after the final episode).

Of course, it's possible the two children grew up into boring suburbian lives as unmarried library shelvers, and their most important life experiences WERE with their parents on the island or with Sun/Kate as toddlers. In that case, it would make sense that their souls went to the afterlife as children. (Shooting from the dorky/joking hip on that one )
post #1043 of 1122
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Originally Posted by ann_of_loxley View Post
So when did Aaron die then? Cause he was there at the end. ...in baby form? What about the baby in-utero?
Exactly.....If Aaron was so important that his birth made Kate "wake up" why was he a baby in the sideways/prugatory. Kate knew him when he was older. Same with Ji Yeon. She was like 3 when Sun & Jin died. All things that don't really add up.....Which is why I feel it was a cop out. Yeah we can always come up with our own theories, but I don't think that makes the ending genius.....I think that makes it lazy.
post #1044 of 1122
Lol Jen - thats more along the lines of how I feel/what I think about it.

Though I really do love Lost and I really did love that ending ( seriously - talk about a tear-jerker!)...

I think its funny how after the first few seasons everyone is like 'whats its all about?!' and the theory of purgatory was thrown out there for awhile and then everyone was all 'nah - that can't be it'... and in the end, it was sorta it (even if for just season 6). The directors didn't know where they were going with it - they said so themselves... Think they stole the lostie fans ideas and used that to some extent lol
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Oh - can I just say that I loved Bens face when Hurley asked him to help him...cause it was like (for Ben) - he was finally important, someone finally needed him and he wasn't just being 'used'.

Ben was my favourite character though...lol I find old men attractive lol
post #1046 of 1122
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Originally Posted by RedOakMomma View Post
IAnd interesting to see what woke each character up...for Kate, it was Aaron. For Jack, it was a multitude of his strongest island associations. For Sayid it was Shannon (BLEH/ACK/NO!!!!!).... For Sun/Jin, it was their daughter. Each one, other than Shannon/Sayid, was a great statement about their greatest, most character-defining love.
I have a thoery about this.

When Eloise asked Desmond if he was going to take her son, he said "Not with ME". TO me that meant Daniel would move on to whatever he was ready to move on to. They all were ready to move on, just not necessarily together.

About Shannon/Sayid. The Alternate is the place they all created in order to find eachother. Since Sayid carried so much guilt for what he did to Nadia, he couldnt even bring himself to be with her after he died. He just always felt he didnt deserve her, so he just couldnt go there. I, myself, didnt care for their "remembering" moment, but they had to have Sayid remember somehow, right? I would like to know what caused Boone to remember, we are never showed that.

Most of the Hurley moments were FANTASTIC. DUDE, they were, just.....awsome. Like Yoda.....

I still would like to know why DESOMND was so special. WHy Jack DIDNT die or turn into a smoke monster when going into the light. And WHO created that cork. Did anyone else notice the ancient writings on the carrott stone?
post #1047 of 1122
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I still would like to know why DESOMND was so special.
I think its what happened to him when the button wasn't pressed.

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WHy Jack DIDNT die or turn into a smoke monster when going into the light.
Yeah - I am curious about that too! (for a brief moment there, I thought he was going to be the new smoke monster whilst Hurley the new Jacob! lol)

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And WHO created that cork. Did anyone else notice the ancient writings on the carrott stone?
yep - I figured it was just the same people who made that temple. Obviously the whole island is one very special place and has been there since the begining of time? lol There never said who made the temple did they? I know people were living there - but I don't think they were the ones who made it. I don't think they showed the people who made it. ?
post #1048 of 1122
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Originally Posted by Barbie64g View Post
ETA, Jack has always felt like the "MAIN" Character to me, so I think its him. The very first scene EVER in the history of Lost was that of a close up of jacks eyes as he awoke in the jungle. Makes me feel like that will be the final scene to, only this time, he will be closing his eyes.
DUDE!!!! Im FREAKING YODA!!!!
post #1049 of 1122
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Originally Posted by ann_of_loxley View Post
Yeah - I am curious about that too! (for a brief moment there, I thought he was going to be the new smoke monster whilst Hurley the new Jacob! lol)
I was expecting the same exact thing, and actually would have been more satisfied if that had been the ending.
post #1050 of 1122
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Originally Posted by Jen+2monkeys View Post
Which is why I feel it was a cop out. Yeah we can always come up with our own theories, but I don't think that makes the ending genius.....I think that makes it lazy.
I agree with this. I think they were ending the series in probably the best way they could, by giving people these emotionally satisfying reunions with the actors who agreed to come back. And I was happy to see Shannon and Sayid together again, I didn't really like the relationship with Nadia. But I don't think it particularly gels with what they were trying to do with the show in the beginning--it seemed like they introduced a lot of stuff in this last season to try and wrap things up. I think they definitely did things along the way in the series that were shock value or to lead you down a particular way of thinking, but it was just for the effect of good tv at the time--clearly it wasn't meant to be connected in some overarching story line. At least that's my opinion of it.

And I'm still upset about Sun and Jin choosing to die and leave their child, and since time doesn't have meaning, I suppose it doesn't matter that they were in this alternate reality together, for a long time, without really connecting, but I'm not sure what that really all meant. I guess they had all decided to wait to move on together, so they had to wait for the last of the group to die? I don't know, the whole Purgatory thing just doesn't do it for me--I liked it better when I thought it was a parallel universe.
post #1051 of 1122
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Originally Posted by Jen+2monkeys View Post
Exactly.....If Aaron was so important that his birth made Kate "wake up" why was he a baby in the sideways/prugatory. Kate knew him when he was older. Same with Ji Yeon. She was like 3 when Sun & Jin died. All things that don't really add up.....Which is why I feel it was a cop out. Yeah we can always come up with our own theories, but I don't think that makes the ending genius.....I think that makes it lazy.
In the sideways world it was 2004, which was when Aaron was born, Ji Yeon was a fetus, etc... The flash forward scenes where they were toddlers, were supposed to be in 2007. HTH.
post #1052 of 1122
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Originally Posted by Jen+2monkeys View Post
Exactly.....If Aaron was so important that his birth made Kate "wake up" why was he a baby in the sideways/prugatory. Kate knew him when he was older. Same with Ji Yeon. She was like 3 when Sun & Jin died. All things that don't really add up.....Which is why I feel it was a cop out. Yeah we can always come up with our own theories, but I don't think that makes the ending genius.....I think that makes it lazy.
Aaron's birth experience for Kate started her on her path to being a "mother". As for him being a baby in the sideways - that's how Clarie/Kate/Charlie all related to him with their island experience.

I think we can safely assume Aaron was raised by both Clarie & Kate, given some of the dialogue at the end.

I'm thinking on this more of the ending, and maybe the reason everyone looks the way the do at the church is because that how Jack remembered them during his life and time on the island. Perhaps if it was someone else's view, everyone would look different (older) and we would see the kids perhaps....
post #1053 of 1122
Have you stopped crying yet? I haven't.

What a tear jerker! I love how they tied the ending in with the beginning of the pilot. The shoe on the bamboo, Vincent running around, Jack's eye. It almost made my heart burst. I could barely contain my sobbing. DH looked at me like I grew a second head. But hey, you can't expect much else from a hormonal, pregnant woman when her favorite show ends, right?

I felt satisfied with the ending (although I was always a Sawyer/Kate fan). I'm just happy that each of them was able to find happiness and cross over to the other side. I was expecting a Penny/Desmond reunion though and that didn't happen, which really surprised me. **Edited to add** I know they made it back to each other, but I wanted to see it, you know? I was also a little surprised that Mr. Eko didn't make a cameo, but I know he and the producers ended on a bad note so I guess that's why.

All in all, I'm still in awe of the show. It ended the same way it began, with plenty of questions. I think that's what I enjoy the most about this show. It's not about product placements and famous cameos. It's about a spiritual journey that each person can interpret for themselves. I'm going to miss this show.
post #1054 of 1122
I liked the ending and rooted for the Losties to meet up so they could be happy. I laughed at Kate and Claire's delivery scene. A poster on another board said that should have been Kate's remembering scene... "Hey, I've seen this vagina before..."

I teared up when Sawyer grabbed Juliet and kept saying "I got ya, I got ya babe." but I really cried when Vincent lay down next to Jack as he died.

My one quip with the ending (not the series) was that Walt wasn't in the UU church. He was so very special for two seasons and now he doesn't show up in Alt-Purgatory? Yes, all the Losties looked the same but they could have digitally added a younger, shorter Walt from a scene from the first season.

Oh, and I must say I LOVED that Hurley was the new, more benevolent Island protector. And Sawyer's quip that he only had one dollar left and couldn't buy coffee.

Ok, last thought. Boooooo to JKL because I thought the alternate endings were supposed to be real. Off the watch the Q&A with the cast.
post #1055 of 1122
I am disappointed that we didn't get more sci-fi answers. I really don't know WTF the island IS and, IMO, that was equally as important as the characters.

When I posed that to a friend last night she said maybe the island is a Garden of Eden or something. I think she's not wrong. It holds the light of the world, the light that is within all humans. Perhaps it IS where humanity was gifted a soul In The Beginning.

The Woman who raised Jacob and Moonchild (my same friend gave MIB the same name as the unnamed Childlike Empress in The Neverending Story and I think it fits ) said that men would always try to get more of the source of the light within them. That is why Widmore and everyone else has ever come to the Island. Some of them - like the Dharma people - I think had purer intentions and less understanding than others - like Widmore who became involved with Richard somehow. But all of them were drawn there for the Light.

I don't think The Woman was a smoke monster b/c she was mortal and able to be killed. But I do think the protector of the Island obviously has some massive power when necessary.

I think her style of keeping people away versus Jacob's style of bringing people there versus Hurley's style which wasn't shown but was hinted at - and he's such an open and loving person - are so different, it's a testament to how very HUMAN they all were, despite their magical agelessness and abilities. I also think then, that "a fate worse than death" as described by The Woman is open to judgement (what each person considers worse than death), and perhaps dependant upon character of the person entering and/or their purpose (i.e. Jack entered to save the Island, and Desmond entered but wasn't hurt b/c he's different in reaction to electromagnetics).

I'm not finding really good ways to word all this, but I hope you get my drift. I'm coming out of a bad cold and my kids are insane and Lost exploded my brain last night so I think I'm doing pretty good considering.
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PS. I always said and felt that Hurley would make a better protector than Jack BECAUSE he would never ask for it. I just LOVE how they wrote that in with Jack's redemption.
post #1057 of 1122
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Originally Posted by Barbie64g View Post
WHy Jack DIDNT die or turn into a smoke monster when going into the light.
I think this might tap into our human motivations. MIB went into the hole an angry, frustrated man (and forced into being smokey without his consent)...and so he came out an angry, ferocious smoke monster. Jack went into the light willingly, sacrificing his life for the ones he loves, for the island, and for what he knew to be right...it makes me wonder if maybe the cave is where our ultimate soul is judged, or where our motivations are made mythic/made "real." MIB's soul and motivations resulted in the smoke monster. Jack's soul and motivations resulted in a chance to complete his life's work, to sacrifice himself, and to die in peace.

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Originally Posted by _ktg_ View Post
I think we can safely assume Aaron was raised by both Clarie & Kate, given some of the dialogue at the end.

I'm thinking on this more of the ending, and maybe the reason everyone looks the way the do at the church is because that how Jack remembered them during his life and time on the island. Perhaps if it was someone else's view, everyone would look different (older) and we would see the kids perhaps....
Good point! I like this explanation a lot!

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Oh, and I must say I LOVED that Hurley was the new, more benevolent Island protector.
If you read the Jensen piece about Jacob's goals and redemption (TOTALLY WORTH READING), the idea of Hurley being the island's protector is AWESOME. Jensen's whole idea, which is pretty well-supported, I think, is that the character/story of the protector is what determines much of how individuals on the island interact. Read the article--it's great. So if it's Hurley, who always represented kindness and love, then I think the island was in good, good hands...and in a way it gives a peaceful ending to the character of the island, too. With Hurley in the lead, a lot of the island's demons and tragic repeat story lines will be put to rest.
post #1058 of 1122
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Originally Posted by RedOakMomma View Post
I think this might tap into our human motivations. MIB went into the hole an angry, frustrated man (and forced into being smokey without his consent)...and so he came out an angry, ferocious smoke monster. Jack went into the light willingly, sacrificing his life for the ones he loves, for the island, and for what he knew to be right...it makes me wonder if maybe the cave is where our ultimate soul is judged, or where our motivations are made mythic/made "real." MIB's soul and motivations resulted in the smoke monster. Jack's soul and motivations resulted in a chance to complete his life's work, to sacrifice himself, and to die in peace.
WE are definetly on the same wave length today, because this is what I thought of the situation AFTER i posted the question and pondered on it for a bit.
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http://twitter.com/DamonLindelof/status/14609826836

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OH, I forgot to mention, When Flocke said "I'll make it hurt" TOTALLY creeped me out! Desperate measures of a desperate....er....whatever he was.
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