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My dh and I are considering buying a business. I'm hoping we can do a job share kind of situation where we each spend part of the day at the office and part of the day with our 3 kids. It is a small business. Currently, the owner works full time, his wife part time and then they have about 6 employees.

So....I need some book recommendations and any advice from small business owners out there.

Where is a good place to find out if the owner's formula for calculating the cost of the business is reasonable?

Where can I find profiles of businesses that were turned around from unprofitable to profitable business? I read Good to Great and loved it, wondering about advice for smaller companies.

Neither of us have taken business classes (we're liberal arts grads) but we each have a little business experience. How crucial would you consider business classes?

What are some ways your families have been positively and negatively impacted by running your own business?

Any advice or book titles would be great!
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post #3 of 9
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That's a good idea to look at the textbooks for the courses that look the most pertinent. Yeah, if you wouldn't mind sending me a list, that would be good. I can compare those to the ones listed at our nearby university.
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as for pricing, there are formulas and guidelines but it is also very individual. it varies for every industry, it varies based on the economy and on the owner's need to sell. it varies by your use of cash versus financing. businesses don't have prices really - one will come out in the negotiation eventually but you would have to do a lot of digging into the business and consulting with an accountant before you would know what it's worth, and that could be much more or less than the owner is expecting. GL!

PS - book - The Nolo press guide to buying a business, for sure!
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I am currently the controller for our family business, a business my DH started with a partner 11 years ago. Prior to working here, I was a business analyst for a medium sized, publicly traded financial institution for 7+ years. The businesses in my portfolio ranged from $50 million down to one-man shows. The bulk of my customers fell into the $500,000 to $5 million range.

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Where can I find profiles of businesses that were turned around from unprofitable to profitable business? I read Good to Great and loved it, wondering about advice for smaller companies.
Is the business you are interest in purchasing unprofitable? Many small businesses are intentially shown as breakeven or unprofitable for tax purposes. If it isn't showing a profit, just make sure you know why. I could write pages on this topic.

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How crucial would you consider business classes?
It depends on your understanding of cash flows and accounting.

My DH has no formal business education but can look at our aging reports and in a glance, can accurately predict cash flow and profits for the quarter. I saw the same thing when I was in banking. There was some owners that had no education beyond high school but were extremely successful because they understood the importance of cash flows over profits.

On the flip side, I worked with MBAs that couldn't read a financial statement to save their lives.

At the very least, I would recommend basic accounting classes.

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What are some ways your families have been positively and negatively impacted by running your own business?
Oh boy, this is going to sound very negative but in general, it is more negative than positive just because it is so much work when all the responsibility is on you.

We are very close friends with two other couples where the husbands were raised (and continue to work) in succesful family businesses. The three guys should sit down and write a book about their experiences. Two out of the three have no relationship with their family anymore. Weaknesses that existed before were maginfied 100x over when money and business management comes into play.

My opinions/observations based on my work/family experiences:

Owning a business will take 10x more time and energy then ever imagined.

Make sure you can pay yourself a fair wage. Sure, there may be a start up period where cash is tight but look at it this way, if you weren't there to do the job, you would have to pay someone else to do it.

I would caution anyone who thinks they will have a super-flexible schedule because when two employees call in sick the same day or the snow plow guy doesn't show up and the lot needs to be cleared or you can't meet payroll because your best customer's payments bounced, the owner needs to kick into high gear to solve the problem.

Owners spend more time doing tedious stuff like bookkeeping and managing employees than the actual "business"

Pick a business based on profit potential, not passion. I know this sound harsh but when I worked at the bank, the small businesses that were based on the owner's passion were far more likely to fail then ones created/purchased based primarily on money-making potential first, interest second.

Having clearly defined roles "at work" helps keep the relationships strong. If, for example, you will be handling the finances, do that job and don't stick your nose into your spouses duties. Expect the same in return.

[/QUOTE=cchrissyy;15006651]as for pricing, there are formulas and guidelines but it is also very individual. it varies for every industry, it varies based on the economy and on the owner's need to sell. it varies by your use of cash versus financing. businesses don't have prices really - one will come out in the negotiation eventually but you would have to do a lot of digging into the business and consulting with an accountant before you would know what it's worth, and that could be much more or less than the owner is expecting. GL!
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Good advice.

OP - would the current owner's be willing to hire you for six months or so? That would be an excellent way to educate yourself prior to making a purchase decision. If not, try to find a similar job somewhere else. If you can't or don't want to do that, ask yourself why.
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Owning a business will take 10x more time and energy then ever imagined.

I would caution anyone who thinks they will have a super-flexible schedule because when two employees call in sick the same day or the snow plow guy doesn't show up and the lot needs to be cleared or you can't meet payroll because your best customer's payments bounced, the owner needs to kick into high gear to solve the problem.
My small business experience is limited, but these portions along with the part about not speaking to the rest of your family are consistent with my experience.
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I owned and operated a small catering firm for 5 years. There were definite high and low points about it. I loved what I did, but ultimately closed because of the negatives.

Not to sound to down, but here are some things that you should consider before going forward.
* What happens when a project has to be done and you have no regular childcare? I ended up leaving my infant with expensive and not-so-great agency sitters because I absolutely had to have a sitter, any sitter. This is a big reason I closed before having a second child.
* Can you live with uneven, unpredictable cash flow? I hated this part, and I have a DH who was making good, regular money elsewhere. I can't imagine the whole family's financial situation tied to a small business.
* How good are you at separting work roles from home roles? My DH was involved in some parts of my business and helped on some jobs. It was sometimes a hard transition to who was "in charge" at any given time. And when other family members are involved, it can get really ugly. My father had an absolute temper tantrum one day when he was helping me on a job and I had to correct something he was doing. It almost killed the family relationships.

A book I remember reading and discussing with DH at the beginning was called something like "Honey, I want to start a business". It had lots of discussion questions and things to think about.

Both DH and I have MBAs, but I'm not sure how much that helped or hurt. Definitely you need an understanding of accounting and basic marketing techniques to run a successful business. If you are making something, some basics about operations probably hlep as well. You need a good legal consultant to help guide those issues and also keep you on the right side of the law about personnel management. All of these can be learned in a practical setting or through some basic business classes. My biggest advice would be to use a really good payroll service if you aren't 200% sure of the tax rules and procedures -- I got into trouble with the state and IRS through misunderstanding what I was doing about employee taxes and we are still trying, 10 years later, to get out from under it!
post #8 of 9
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Thanks to everyone for the advice.

The business is currently unprofitable. Last year the owner gave the business a "loan from shareholder" that was greater than his and his wife's salaries for the whole year. They've managed the finances poorly and just weren't closely watching the cash flow, and they have a lot of past due accounts because of the state of the economy. We've gone over the financial records and talked with the manager and we think that the business could be profitable. But it might take a while. And dh and I definitely cannot give the business a "shareholder loan" equal to our salaries.

I would really prefer to take over the running of this business on a temporary basis, as a previous poster suggested, and leave the risk with the current owner. Not sure if we can convince him, though....
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The business is currently unprofitable. Last year the owner gave the business a "loan from shareholder" that was greater than his and his wife's salaries for the whole year.
So the owner's paid themselves salaries but had to turn around and give the amount of the salaries + more back into the busienss?

While there is value in books of business, clients, contracts and such, a business that is unprofitable AND needs loans from the owners doesn't sound like there is much going conern value.

If you go through with this, get your working capital needs projected and secured up front.
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