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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hey ya'll, I normally lurk in other forums but am finding that you mamas may be the best resource to go to in this circumstance. It is regarding one of my best friends. I've known her over 10 years, she has a 9wk old, exclusively breastfed baby and her "husband" is taking her to court for custody.

Back story: She has anger issues. She knows that. When she gets REALLY mad, she breaks things. NOT people, things. Her "husband" started telling her (before the babe even turned a month old, mind you, so this has been going on a while) that he was going to leave her and he was going to take the baby from her. She finally snapped when babe was about 6wks and broke a glass coffee table and, subsequently, a glass bowl that was beneath it. Babe was in another room when it happened. She told me about it and I told her she needed to stop it, it was going to get her in trouble, it wasn't a good environment for the babe to be in. She acknowledged it.

This past weekend I got a frantic call from her; the same scenario happened, he told her he was going to leave and take baby from her, she saw red, kicked in the oven door, threw the microwave at the wall. Husband and baby were in another room w/ the door closed. He went next door (to his parents'), talked to some people, came back and told her he called the police and filed a report that she "pushed and clawed" him while he was holding the baby! She loses her mind over that baby and the thought of anything happening to him, she would NEVER jeopardize him bc of her UAV husband. The scratches on his neck were from passionate sex, mind you. She breaks things INSTEAD of putting her hands on people, she has always been that way. Nonetheless, the police came and arrested her on the spot, she was unable to breastfeed for almost 15 hours. When we showed up, she'd already been taken and her husband was there saying "I never wanted her to get arrested, I never wanted them to take her," but didn't do ANYTHING to stop it. Didn't drop the charges, didn't drop the temporary restraining order that was put in place FOR A WEEK (for a breastfeeding infant?!), and the next day he went down to the court and filed for custody, stating the same farce, that she put her hands on him while he was holding the baby, and that he feared for baby's safety in her care.

NOW, let me add that this is a man who has done NOTHING for this child aside from minimal holding, and of course, the process of creating it. Before mama was arrested, he'd never changed a diaper, had given him 2 bottles (mama had to go back to work bc he hoards his money in a private bank account and SOMEONE has to pay the bills), one of which baby was choking on but dad didn't notice bc he was so engrossed in the tv... he rarely held the baby, he has bought/provided NOTHING for the baby, she has the receipts to prove she's paid for EVERYTHING involving the baby, down to his diapers and car seat; she's made all of his dr appts (he got a little sick a couple weeks back so she took him in for a once over), the only reason HE ever took the baby to the doctor is bc the appt was scheduled the day after she was taken to jail and the TRO put in place. He also got the baby vax'ed against her wishes at that appt. Not to spite her, but because he doesn't KNOW, he's done NO research into what is best for this baby.

They've both broken the TRO, they talk regularly, even now. He said he went to the court and got a "visitation order" that says she can breastfeed the baby but nothing else. HOWEVER, she was never served, and he refuses to show her any papers affirming his claim. He ALSO says that because he got her "visitation," that the TRO is extended from 2/2 to 2/11. I believe her court hearing is on the 5th, and I'm sure that's where they'll address his filing for custody. The money that he squirreled away, upwards of at least 7k, is all gone now, spent on a lawyer, mama overheard him talking to his friend about it. she has NO money. I've gotten her the number to legal aid in northern Virginia, told her to hide her receipts, get a copy of his birth certificate and SSC (her FIL has their first one locked in his safe), told her to try to get statements from the nurses at the ped's office verifying she was the one making appts and bringing him in except for this last time, told her to contact her LLL leader (she's been to meetings w/ baby before) to hopefully get a statement from her verifying mother-infant interaction, as well as to ask for resources to get her into child/infant CPR classes, mommy and me classes, and I told her to look into getting enrolled in an anger management class before the judge ordered it, it would look better w/ her taking the initiative herself. Her doctor also said (before all this happened) that she was boarderline PPD and wanted to prescribe her Zoloft.

With all of this, is there ANYTHING you mamas can offer, about the advice I've given, anything I forgot? Normally I would try to get them to work things out, but this guy is being shady and is even taking advantage of my DH's trying to help him work on things. He has a childhood friend who is divorced and has custody of his child, and he basically did the same things that my friends husband is doing to her now. THAT'S who he has in his ear, my friend has NO family around, and no real friends other than me, and I'm moving soon. I want to get her as much help as I can.

The last thing he said to her was "you try to say that you're baby's sole provider, but this whole time I've been spending all my time with him (a whopping four days, and ONLY because there's a TRO in place and she has to watch her back). You won't get him now."

TIA, especially if you made it through this jumbled mess (my apologies)
post #2 of 17
Thread Starter 
oh I also wanted to add that during this time, instead of allowing her to pump and having FIL pick up the milk for the baby, this "father" gave baby formula, which resulted in bowl irritation and copious amounts of mucous in his diaper the following day...
post #3 of 17
I have no advice to give, but I wish them all some peace and healing in this situation. I hope they can all get the help they need and find a way to raise this child together peacefully.
post #4 of 17
Saw this in new posts and wanted to offer a hug.

Sorry your friend and her family are having such a hard time. It sounds like there are a lot of complex issues all around. Definitely urge your friend to get anger management classes and personal therapy. She needs it. I know the dad is being unfair in many ways, but if my partner were throwing appliances and breaking coffee tables, I would not feel safe having him around my kids. If she wants to keep her baby I think she needs to take drastic action and get some help immediately. I know she loves her baby, but it sounds like she is really hurting, either from depression or some other source, and is out of control.

Also, wanted to add: a lot of times people think depression means you're sad, but for many people, depression manifests as extreme irritability and bursts of rage. This is true for a family member of mine. Your friend may very well feel better on medication.
post #5 of 17
your friend should have dealt with her anger problem before her child arrived. She needs an attorney, and she also needs a doctor/psychiatrist/counselor working together to get her to a place where she can control herself. she has a lot of work to do and she brought it upon herself really.
post #6 of 17
This is not your problem. She brought it on herself. I know you want to be a good friend, but she sounds like someone who'd bring you down pretty quickly with her problems. He may be a UAV, but he didn't throw a microwave. Seriously, I'd start to wonder if the friendship was going to be too draining on me to continue with it. You didn't do this and you can't fix it for her.

Babies are draining and they can bring out the rage in the calmest of people. Normal people don't throw appliances across the room. What's she going to destroy when the baby is being fussy and unreasonable?

I don't mean to be harsh, but I understand trying to be a good friend and taking friends problems as my own. Don't do it. This is one you want to distance yourself from.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
I do agree with all of your posts, thank you. She went to the doctor today and was diagnosed with PPD and filled a Rx for Zoloft. She's calling various locations looking for anger management classes, I think she found one, but am not sure. She's also called a lawyer and will be meeting with him tomorrow. Her husband found out she was keeping track of what has been going on between them, and has told her that he will not let her see her child unless she does what he wants her to do. He wants her to sign a notarized agreement stating that she will not use any of the documentation she has gathered during this time against him in court, and if she does, she agrees to relinquish all rights to her child. Isn't that blackmail? He also stole the keys to her car, unlocked it and removed and hid document papers that were in there. He has also told her that IF she agrees to not use the things he's said to her during this time against him in court, he will allow her to nurse her child and won't give formula. He's using her son as a pawn to get from her what he wants, he's even told me that he won't let her see her son EXPRESSLY because she kept record of a conversation they had...

to pranamama, she hasn't had an outburst like that in YEARS. At least 5. She over came a lot of anger within her to get to the point that she didn't feel she had to react that way anymore. She didn't begin to react like that until after the baby came and he continually threatened to take him away from her. She knows she made the biggest mistake, and she's taken responsibility for it and is doing what she can to show she's trying to improve herself for herself and for her son.

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Originally Posted by chaoticzenmom View Post
This is not your problem. She brought it on herself. I know you want to be a good friend, but she sounds like someone who'd bring you down pretty quickly with her problems. He may be a UAV, but he didn't throw a microwave. Seriously, I'd start to wonder if the friendship was going to be too draining on me to continue with it. You didn't do this and you can't fix it for her.

Babies are draining and they can bring out the rage in the calmest of people. Normal people don't throw appliances across the room. What's she going to destroy when the baby is being fussy and unreasonable?

I don't mean to be harsh, but I understand trying to be a good friend and taking friends problems as my own. Don't do it. This is one you want to distance yourself from.
Thank you. It is a little draining, I have a lot on my plate as it is... I guess I want to help provide her with a few resources for how to help herself, if that makes sense? gah...
post #8 of 17
all his threats are what your friend will show to her attorney, who will know what is valid and what isn't. She needs to find an attorney and set up a way to communicate with her stbx that wont put her at risk of another fit of anger.
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thank you! I will forward that suggestion to her in the morning so she can bring it up when she meets w/ her attorney.
post #10 of 17
Of course you want to help her. She's in a sucky situation and you consider yourself her friend. I understand because I used to be the queen of sucky,draining friendships. Someone having a hard time? Come here and I'll help you and be your friend. Can't find any friends? Well, I don't know why not, I'll be your friend. Here, now, lets talk about all your problems so I can lose sleep on them tonight...and tomorrow. There's nothing wrong with being a good friend to someone and I didn't mean to t ake you feel bad about trying to help her. But when this is over, start looking at your friendships and the motivation for starting them and keeping them. I think mine was the need to be a protector and caretaker. Only when I started realizing I needed my energy for my own self, family, and kids, did I stop offering to be best friends with any "down on their luck" person I came across.

Back to your friend. She needs to keep on documenting and push for more visitation. Do everything required of her and she will win. With him not wanting the documentation shown, it's obvious that he's starting to realize just how bad he looks as well. It's harder to get sympathy when you're just as bad as the mom. With her post-partum depression diagnosis, that will help her as well. He will probably also be more flexible when he realizes that she won't give up her power that quickly. She should let him come up with the contract that he suggested and keep it for evidence.LOL He'd probably be just smart enough to fall for that.

I've seen this almost exact thing play out with my SIL and brother. She got drunk and stabbed him (not a deep cut, but it was called a stabbing on the police report). She was arrested, restraining order issued, cps gave emergency custody to my brother including childcare costs. He was feeling like dad of the year and she was thinking she was going to lose her child forever. When he found out that she had told her lawyer about his issues, he changed his tune. He saw it was about to be a "tit for tat" and with cps in the mix, he was smart enough not to want to play that game. So, he requested the tro be removed and that she be allowed to be with her son unsupervised. It took her awhile initially because cps didn't think she was complying and that she didn't realize the seriousness of the situation. But they were asking a stay at home mom to get a job as part of compliance
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by chaoticzenmom View Post
I've seen this almost exact thing play out with my SIL and brother. She got drunk and stabbed him (just a little). She was arrested, restraining order issued, cps gave emergency custody to my brother including childcare costs. He was feeling like dad of the year and she was thinking she was going to lose her child forever.
: Would you be as sympathetic towards a woman who had been stabbed 'just a little'?
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by chaoticzenmom View Post
This is not your problem. She brought it on herself. I know you want to be a good friend, but she sounds like someone who'd bring you down pretty quickly with her problems. He may be a UAV, but he didn't throw a microwave. Seriously, I'd start to wonder if the friendship was going to be too draining on me to continue with it. You didn't do this and you can't fix it for her.

Babies are draining and they can bring out the rage in the calmest of people. Normal people don't throw appliances across the room. What's she going to destroy when the baby is being fussy and unreasonable?

I don't mean to be harsh, but I understand trying to be a good friend and taking friends problems as my own. Don't do it. This is one you want to distance yourself from.
This.
Also: He can't 'drop charges' now. This is considered a domestic violence case. I don't believe the rules of that change state to state.
post #13 of 17
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: Would you be as sympathetic towards a woman who had been stabbed 'just a little'?
This was my brother who was stabbed. So, yeah, I'm not feeling real sympathetic about it. I put "just a little" to note that it wasn't a big, deep, critical wound stabbing, not to be sympathetic. This was their thing, not mine. I only put that much detail in order to show that it was similar to the OP's friends situation (anger/violence). I had no control in the outcome.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by chaoticzenmom View Post
This was my brother who was stabbed. So, yeah, I'm not feeling real sympathetic about it. I put "just a little" to note that it wasn't a big, deep, critical wound stabbing, not to be sympathetic. This was their thing, not mine. I only put that much detail in order to show that it was similar to the OP's friends situation (anger/violence). I had no control in the outcome.
I get that it was your brother. I am just wondering if you would be as dismissive if the violence was directed at a woman.
post #15 of 17
As a mama with past similar angry outbursts... as long as she is showing effort in seeking treatment and has never directly harmed anyone, it's not a huge deal. She needs to go to anger management and that's great she's been diagnosed. He can't win because someone has an anger problem. Everyone has problems. It's what you do about them.

She needs to keep documenting and not be bullied around. Unfortunately, it sounds like her husband is going to go above and beyond to make life hell on her. She really needs to get a lawyer, borrow money, whatever, and NOT give into his blackmail.

I'm sorry you and your friend are going through this. And I'm sorry for all the judgment in this thread.
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by D_McG View Post
I get that it was your brother. I am just wondering if you would be as dismissive if the violence was directed at a woman.


post #17 of 17
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Also, wanted to add: a lot of times people think depression means you're sad, but for many people, depression manifests as extreme irritability and bursts of rage. This is true for a family member of mine. Your friend may very well feel better on medication.
This is very true, I know this from personal experience.
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