Charting to Avoid/Fertility Awareness, FEB 2010 - Page 15

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by lyterae

If I get AF today it would be a 13 day LP, tomorrow would be 14. I've never had one longer than 12 unless I was pregnant, it's always been shorter (i.e. I've had a few 10 day lp's before). But again, just in the waiting game still

Were the 10 day lps from normal cycles or cycles that would've been abnormal anyway, like the first few PP cycles or just going off bc?

Originally Posted by lyterae

I have no room to talk .. I'm hopeful by the end of the year we'll reach the halfway mark, but I'm not sure yet. It will depend on how this year goes. We've been on a budget for a year now but the first several months were spent playing catch-up and me trying to get a permanent job so we would have enough to play the bills. One thing at a time.

I was really stressing about our debt for a while, especially with having to pay for two households while my dh is gone. He's not getting any special pay because this school is considered a permanent change of station (PCS) move so the entire family is expected to move for only 6 months. On top of that, our mortgage payment went up by about $100 a month, supposedly because of taxes and insurance, and our oldest ds moved back home and started college so there are extra expenses from that. His travel reimbursement pay really helped and now that he's settled we can budget for everything. It seems to be working out. I just have to seriously curb my yarn addiction! My dh is supposed to get a time in service pay raise in March that will help even more.

From all those debt relief commercials, it seems like it's so hard to get out of debt. However, I'm beginning to think that's all a scam. If you can buckle down and stick to a budget, it is possible to do it on your own.

[BarefootScientist]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

AFM, I've got a temp question. I woke at 6:43, about 30-45 minutes before when I've been taking my temp for the whole 3 or 4 days , and temped. It was 97.3. I went back to sleep and woke again at 7:18. Took my temp again since that was closer to my usual temp time and it was still 97.3. My question is, should I use the 6:43 temp as is, adjust it, or use the 7:18 temp as is? This is confusing me more than it usually would since the temps were the same.

Your paragraph on Plan B makes sense.

As for your temps, I think you're thinking about it way too hard. I would just put 97.3.

[echospiritwarrior]

Hi again... I've had an emotional couple days with a health scare with my mother... alas, I am hoping to get some semblance of normalcy back in my life now.
I've had fun playing with opk tests this month! I got my pos today (I was surprised it wasn't yesterday with all the other secondary signs) and I was wondering how long it should take for my temp to spike. I know having a + opk still means it could be 24-48 before O, so I guess my temps might reflect that and not rise until 24-48 hours?

http://www.tcoyf.com/members/echowar...ccharts/2.aspx

[lyterae]

Originally Posted by echospiritwarrior

Hi again... I've had an emotional couple days with a health scare with my mother... alas, I am hoping to get some semblance of normalcy back in my life now.
I've had fun playing with opk tests this month! I got my pos today (I was surprised it wasn't yesterday with all the other secondary signs) and I was wondering how long it should take for my temp to spike. I know having a + opk still means it could be 24-48 before O, so I guess my temps might reflect that and not rise until 24-48 hours?

http://www.tcoyf.com/members/echowar...ccharts/2.aspx

I hope that everything is okay with your mom

From what I've seen of charts with opks it seems like the temp spike is usually the day AFTER the positive. I've also seen charts with multiple days of a positive reading before the temp spike.

[MovingMomma]

MW: Your normal temp time is close to the 2nd time you temped, right? Just use the 97.3.

Echo: sorry about your mom. Remember you can get a +OPK with a "false start" and not O until much later.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by echospiritwarrior

Hi again... I've had an emotional couple days with a health scare with my mother... alas, I am hoping to get some semblance of normalcy back in my life now.
I've had fun playing with opk tests this month! I got my pos today (I was surprised it wasn't yesterday with all the other secondary signs) and I was wondering how long it should take for my temp to spike. I know having a + opk still means it could be 24-48 before O, so I guess my temps might reflect that and not rise until 24-48 hours?

http://www.tcoyf.com/members/echowar...ccharts/2.aspx

Yes, I too hope everything is all right with your mom.

The average is to O within 12-24 hours of your first + opk but it can take up to 72 hours. So, I'd expect a temp rise anytime between tomorrow and Monday. A + opk does not guarantee O, though.

I decided to use my temp as is on my FF chart and let my Ovusoft chart adjust it. That's what I used to do when I kept two charts so that I could see if there was any difference in interpretations. As far as I can remember, both charts usually agreed regardless.

[echospiritwarrior]

thank you all so much for the concern for my mother. I thought I might be having to say goodbye, but knock on wood it looks like she is coming back into her regular self. FWIW she was dX with a relatively uncommon autoimmune disorder 6 years ago and only given 6 months then, after you make it though something like that you kind of think maybe things can go on 'normally' forever... uugh anyhow I know I'm not out of the clear yet and the emotional toil of this well, I'm just not quite ready to talk about it. I really appreciate the it seems to help.

Thanks for the info on the OPKs even with the false + even, interesting. I got some internet cheapies and I thought it would help me get the hang of the whole charting thing- my oh MY does my chart look a bunch better than last one! I'm feeling a lot more confident recording and interpreting the signs... I'm glad it seems to get easier. Already temping so early has become automatic, like the way you'd nurse in the middle of the night- awake only enough to get things done and then drift away again.

[MarineWife]

Ok, now I don't know what to do with this info. I had a tiny bit of very obvious ewcf last night. It was after 6 pm but not too late so I marked it for yesterday. Today I've been dry every time I wiped. I just checked with my finger just inside and my cf was sticky. I hope that means yesterday was my peak and I Oed rather than having my body start and stop and start and stop.

My FF Chart

My Ovusoft Chart

The FF chart has my temp today as taken. My Ovusoft chart has the adjusted temp from 6:43 just for kicks.

[MovingMomma]

One tiny bit of EWCM the whole cycle? I doubt it's O.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by MovingMomma

One tiny bit of EWCM the whole cycle? I doubt it's O.

Yeah, I know. But when I first started charting I didn't get any ewcf and TCOYF says some women get only creamy as their most fertile. Of course, only time will tell. I guess it doesn't really matter since dh is gone. I just don't want to go back to my old cycles. I'm afraid that with PCOS, my body gets reset for a little bit after a pg but eventually goes back to the long, irregular cycles.

[annie2186]

Hey ladies - sorry I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so I can't really do personals.

I have actually been pretty frustrated with my body lately. I thought I had on CD23, but it was just a random temperature (which has NEVER been so high before!!!) and now on CD28........who knows????

I feel pretty sure I either have hypo-thyroid or PCOS.........I mean, I am taking my temperature vaginally and it STILL goes down as low at 96.6 sometimes??

Anyways, I am just feeling down and feeling like I am doomed to have 15 kids (I'm catholic) GRRRR!!!!

Anyways, here is my chart..........

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/26af7e

and the worst part about it is that since I so early last time I have been anticipating it FOREVER!!

[eirual]

Annie, I hear ya. I'm in much the same boat. I've been hypo for a few years. If I'm diligent in supporting my thyroid (no soy, easy on the caffein, taking thyroid support -Thyro100 byAOR you can find it at health food stores) I can keep it within normal range. Every now and again I just get sick of thinking about it and let it go and I think that's why I've ended up with cycles much like you've described (53 days or more, temps consistently low). I was thinking PCOS myself, but for me I think it's my thyroid. We were a little more riskay this cycle because my last few cycles have been so long (I know- NOT FAM) and I was "potentially fertile" for what seemed like MONTHS! Go figure I O'ed on schedule this month (come to think of it, likely because I've been supporting my thyroid lately).

Have you ever had yours checked? It's a simple blood test and it can make you FEEL so much better and get your body more on track if you can get it sorted out. Worth looking into if you haven't yet. Good luck!

[eirual]

Total Money Makeover

For all of you who are thinking about debt, have you read Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover? It gets you excited about your finances by establishing a clear path OUT of debt and a serious change in habits. It really is inspiring and motivating. Check it out (from your library or his website often has specials on it where you can get it for about $10).

There's also the Getting out of debt thread in the Frugality and Finances forum that has a ton of great ideas and support.

[RaraAvis]

My Ovulation Chart
Now this is more like it. Do you think the rise is so precipitous because I almost O'd earlier and delayed? Do the hormones sort of build up?

BTW The Plan B info was interesting -- I had NO idea that was what it does.

[MamaGwynn]

CD 2 here. Check out my chart. Any thoughts on my last cycle? I didn't see AF coming at all and never thought I O'ed. I had some discarded temps due to restless sleep but maybe they were legit. I use FAM rules on my written chart and never saw a shift. I always count back the last 6 temps to figure out the coverline. If you look at the cycle before that one, my temp shift was very clear. CF tells me nothing at this point.

Annov? If I did O I had a very short LP.

ETA: Maybe you can't see the chart before last? I don't have VIP.

[lyterae]

Originally Posted by eirual

For all of you who are thinking about debt, have you read Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover? It gets you excited about your finances by establishing a clear path OUT of debt and a serious change in habits. It really is inspiring and motivating. Check it out (from your library or his website often has specials on it where you can get it for about $10).

There's also the Getting out of debt thread in the Frugality and Finances forum that has a ton of great ideas and support.

We read that book last winter and then took "Financial Peace University" over the fall, it is very good, at the very least it opens up discussions about money. I recommend it as well.

AFM: Still waiting for AF, had a little bit of a temp rise today.

[lyterae]

Originally Posted by RaraAvis

My Ovulation Chart
Now this is more like it. Do you think the rise is so precipitous because I almost O'd earlier and delayed? Do the hormones sort of build up?

BTW The Plan B info was interesting -- I had NO idea that was what it does.

That is a very nice rise! I'm not sure there is really any rhyme or reason to it. I have some cycles where I have a very nice pretty chart and it rises nicely. And some (like this one!) where I have no idea what the heck is going on.

[MovingMomma]

Amanda: I can see it either way: As FF has it (shave the temps on CD 18 & 21) or annovulatory. Do you typically see EWCM?

Beth: No, I don't think a sharp rise has anything to do w/false starts. I think your sharp rise is b/c you discarded the temp on CD 15 & missed temping on CD 16. I would recommend waiting one more day to get a third temp at the higher level.

[MarineWife]

Amanda ~ It looks anov to me.

Beth ~ Progesterone doesn't start to build up until after you O. It's produced by the corpus luteum cyst that is left on the ovary from the released egg. So, no, I don't think that sharp temp rise is from built up progesterone. I agree with Shannon that you should wait for one more high temp. I'd put your O on cd21 with a CL of 96.65.

[BarefootScientist]

Amanda, I vote for anovulatory too.

If you're not VIP I believe you get two charts to show up on your home page...your current one and whatever other one you want. You have to go to home page setup to choose I think.