Charting to Avoid/Fertility Awareness, FEB 2010 - Page 19

[annie2186]

well................this is a weird cycle

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/26af7e


The only thing that is really getting me is that I legitimately think I did O...........

I am BONE dry right now and the only time that happens is (a) right after my period ends (and sometimes not even then) or (b) right after I O and before I get closer to

Is there something that could cause low LP temps? I have always kind of thought I was sub-fertile, obviously fertile enough if you check out my siggy but not a fertile mertle either

Anyways, I will be very very interested to see when shows herself or if I really did just gear up to O and didn't.

But - once again - I just have to wonder out loud...........I did get at least 3 temps confirming O before my temp went down..........Isn't it PROVEN that you O if you get 3 temps? I wasn't even planning on temping this LP but just couldn't bring myself to stop

Anyways - thanks for letting me vent! Stupid stupid chart!!! grrrrrr

[MarineWife]

freshveggie ~ I would not consider your last cycle a real cycle. The bleed you had was not but a progesterone withdrawal bleed from taking the plan b pill. All of that is semantics, though. You would still consider the first day of the bleed as cd1 of this cycle. You can't use the first 5 days rule to consider yourself safe since you didn't O and have an lp of at least 12 days before the bleed.

annie ~ Not exactly. I think TCOYF actually says something like, if you have at least 3 consecutive high temps and 4 days of complete CF dry up, you can be pretty confident that you Oed and are safe. I don't think anything is 100%, though.

Your temps don't show a 100% clear and sustained thermal shift. For O on cd28, your CL would be 97.7. Your cd29 temp isn't high enough (at least 0.1 degree above your CL and at least 0.2 degree above the previous day's temp) to indicate the beginning of a thermal shift so you have to move your CL up to 97.8. CD30's temp is still not high enough to definitively indicate the beginning of a thermal shift so, again, you need to move your CL up to 97.9. CD31's temp is, again, not high enough to definitively indicate a thermal shift so you have to move your CL up to 98.0. Finally, you get enough of a temp rise on cd32 to indicate the beginning of a possible thermal shift but then your temps drop back down. You have to start all over.

That doesn't mean you didn't O. The slow rise pattern you have is one of the "normal" types of thermal shifts. However, I think that since your temp hasn't stayed up, you can't be sure. KWIM? As long as you've had at least 4 consecutive day's of CF dry up, I think you can consider yourself safe every other day unless/until you get wetter CF.

AFM, my temp was up this am. Hoping this was O for me after a week of ewcf. Funny that I was getting worried I hadn't started temping soon enough and now my cycle is dragging on. I could've waited another week for ewcf to show up before temping. Anyway, here are my charts. It's easy to see the temp rise on my FF chart. My Ovusoft chart, not so much because a couple of the temps are adjusted. If I put them in as they are, it gives me one temp above my CL.

FF Chart

Ovusoft Chart

[BettinaAuSucre]

So, I am taking a HUGE leap and getting an IUD. My partner has shown to me recently that his immaturity is one HUGE reason to not have a child right now. I think it will take longer than a year for him to be able to be a good father and so i have decided to take matters into my own hands and get more permanent birth control to reduce any chance for an accident. I know it is not 100% but i feel better about something made to inhibit pregnancy for at least 5 years, which gives me time to lose weight and for us to become stable as a team.

i am really nervous and determined to do this. I am tired to flip-flopping and realized today, after his inappropriate interaction with my daughter*the word "twat" was used against her* I have decided this is 100% the right choice.

I have heard of many women having bleeding problems for the first 6 months and hormonal and emotional shifts were extreme. but i HAVE to do something and i dont want BCP.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by BettinaAuSucre

after his inappropriate interaction with my daughter*the word "twat" was used against her* I have decided this is 100% the right choice.

You may think this is not my business but I have to say something. If a man ever used such a word even around my dd, much less at her, I'd get rid of him before he knew what happened. That's more than just immaturity. That's the perpetuation of violence against girls and women. Not something I would put up with for even a second.

[BettinaAuSucre]

I completely agree, except that he was extremely tired after working a 14 hour shift. I won't excuse this language. But we are going to go to couples counseling and he is going to seek anger management himself.

i am probably making a huge mistake not kicking him to the curb but i have to exhaust all options until i give up i am stubborn that way.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by BettinaAuSucre

I completely agree, except that he was extremely tired after working a 14 hour shift. I won't excuse this language. But we are going to go to couples counseling and he is going to seek anger management himself.

i am probably making a huge mistake not kicking him to the curb but i have to exhaust all options until i give up i am stubborn that way.

In that case, what about a separation until he completes the anger management and you've had a few productive counseling sessions? That way you aren't giving up on the relationship but still keeping your dds (and yourself) safe. Sex would be out of the question so you wouldn't have to worry about bc. BTW, taking the necessary steps to protect yourself and your children is not the same as giving up on a relationship. A relationship isn't a relationship if there's abuse involved.

[echospiritwarrior]

Originally Posted by BettinaAuSucre

So, I am taking a HUGE leap and getting an IUD. My partner has shown to me recently that his immaturity is one HUGE reason to not have a child right now. I think it will take longer than a year for him to be able to be a good father and so i have decided to take matters into my own hands and get more permanent birth control to reduce any chance for an accident. I know it is not 100% but i feel better about something made to inhibit pregnancy for at least 5 years, which gives me time to lose weight and for us to become stable as a team.

i am really nervous and determined to do this. I am tired to flip-flopping and realized today, after his inappropriate interaction with my daughter*the word "twat" was used against her* I have decided this is 100% the right choice.

I have heard of many women having bleeding problems for the first 6 months and hormonal and emotional shifts were extreme. but i HAVE to do something and i dont want BCP.

I agree, my DH wouldn't be getting any no need for an IUD there! I loved mine until I had a bad experience with it and then I came here, but then again we're both okay with an oops, just not planning atm.

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[HulaJenn]

Well I could be messing with the stats.
Still unsure of O date....but took this tonight (after holding pee for half the day...got the urge cuz I am suddenly REALLY horney! LOL sorry tmi. But this is very unusual post-O and CM has turned funny creamy) anyway.....
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...e/100_2942.jpg
The options are
It is a 8dpo SUPER early faint BFP
Very light for a 12dpo BFP (after swimmers either surviving for 7 days or having something go amiss unknow to us with the condom) - I mark BDing on my chart when we BD without protection and with full ejaculation inside. But we do BD about every other day with condoms.
Or a big fat evap (but it is pink in person and came up within time limit).
My Chart

[Smylingeyz]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

In that case, what about a separation until he completes the anger management and you've had a few productive counseling sessions? That way you aren't giving up on the relationship but still keeping your dds (and yourself) safe. Sex would be out of the question so you wouldn't have to worry about bc. BTW, taking the necessary steps to protect yourself and your children is not the same as giving up on a relationship. A relationship isn't a relationship if there's abuse involved.

I know separation is a really hard choice to make when you want to make a relationship work, but I totally agree with you, MW. It took more strength than I thought I had to leave DH, but it was the best ting that could have happened for our relationship. We're just starting to make our reconciliation official, after a year apart. The issues DH had came from immaturity, selfishness, and a lack of upbringing, but since it manifested as manipulation and several other kinds of abuse, I knew it would get worse if I didn't leave. He ended up getting help and addressing many issues, some of which are totally resolved and some of which we are still working on in counseling. If you take the risk of separation, either your relationship will fall apart of it will become many times better. Just had to add my 2 cents since I've been there... it was the best and hardest choice I've ever made, and I'm glad we went thru hell and can be together again, if I hadn't I'd still be in a bad situation or worse. Some behavior just gets worse if you don't take the most extreme action - not leaving sends a message they can get away with treating their loved ones way less than they deserve.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by Smylingeyz

If you take the risk of separation, either your relationship will fall apart of it will become many times better.

That's the thing. And, if it falls apart from the separation, it would've fallen apart eventually anyway. At least that way, there was a lot less hurt and wasted time.

HJ ~ Your chart is hard to figure out. I can see O for either cd13 or cd17. Either way I don't see how you could've gotten pg. I don't see anything on that test.

[echospiritwarrior]

HulaJen- do you have any other tests yet? I just don't see any color screen and I turned it (and myself) every which way.

[Sk8ermaiden]

OK, I DO see something on that test, and I don't even have to squint. Off to look at your chart.

[Smylingeyz]

Oh, and I did get AF finally. Yay Tho part of me wished I was pregnant... need to work out finances big time first, and I think it'd be better to be back together with DH for at least 6 months so I know things really are better and can stay that way...
So I dunno how to figure out my last chart. My LP is normally 12 days, but I didn't temp for 2 months before this last one and this last one I did temp but it was all over the place. Even when I don't temp though I always have a clockwork schedule for O symptoms and drying up. This month was weird... we're moving in 2 days though, so after that things should go back to normal I hope. We've been living with family for a few months and it's been stressful.

[eirual]

I'm still waiting for AF (usually have a 13 day LP and today's day 14) and trying even harder to keep my mind at bay. I've been feeling crampy and have a pimple, so I'm fairly certain she's on her way. I hate this time in my cycle...too many mind games!!! I guess that's what I get for breaking the rules earlier this cycle. Had we stuck to them I could be much more confident right now...

[Taryn237]

Hi ladies Does anyone know of a way to chart creighton online? Can you do just mucus on FF? Or a printable chart somewhere? We learned sympto-thermo before we got married and after DS started creighton to conceive. It worked on the 1st cycle! Now DD is 13 months, just had my 1st PP AF after night-weaing a month before and really need to learn better charting. We are TTA for atleast the next 8 months.

Thanks!

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by Taryn237

Hi ladies Does anyone know of a way to chart creighton online? Can you do just mucus on FF?

You can put as much or as little data as you want in FF. I don't know if it will give you crosshairs without temps but then you could set your O day yourself if needed. There are other free online charting programs. I think iVillage has one and maybe Babycenter or Babyzone or whatever it's called.

[tracymom1]

Hi ladies!
I have been lurking here this month because I am charting for the first time and trying to figure out what the heck I am doing!! You all are so amazingly in tune with your bodies and cycles. I am amazed!

After spending the last 3 without AF because of pregnancy and breastfeeding, she has returned! I had what seemed like a normal period but wasn't sure - it really caught me off guard because I got pregnant with DD 13 months after having DS because AF hadn't returned and I never really suspected O. But last week I started bleeding again after wondering why the heck I was acting like such a basket case the week before

So I bought a copy of Taking Charge of Your Fertility and printed out a chart and am trying to listen to and learn from my body. I had a Paragard IUD put in 4 months ago but had an allergic reaction to the metals and had it removed. Going the natural route was really what I wanted to do anyways, so here I am!! I would rather not get pregnant again right away - DD is only 7 months old now, but I also believe that whatever happens is what is meant to be.

Next cycle I will do FF - it was just a little too confusing this first time. Poor DH keeps looking at me like I am crazy because I keep consulting a book before we DTD to make sure I am in the clear!

[InMediasRes]

I am still here, still lurking, still waiting for PP AF. Between everyone being sick, stress, anxiety, and crazy night time nursing, I don't think will show anytime soon. I have been dry dry dry for weeks now. 12 months going strong!

Just wanted to say hi.

[MarineWife]

I'm trying not to expect it so I was not going to say anything. But I think I may have finally Oed. I've had 2 high temps and 2 days of CF dry up. One more high temp tomorrow will confirm it.

[wholewheatchick]

just a quick check in

Hi Ladies!

Just wanted to drop in quick to say hi. After 2 weeks of cleaning, painting, and DH tiling, and getting our household goods delivered, and unpacking and hanging pictures and curtains...it finally feels like home!

Do to all the general craziness, and sleeping in hotels and friends' houses, I didn't temp at all, and going to bed at 2 am for a week and working my butt off all the next day starting at 6 am didn't do great things for my ability to keep track of CF, HOWEVER, I am 99% certain that I O'd on CD 21!!!!!

Which is the earliest I have O'd in over 3 years!!!!! I've taken my temp the past couple of days, just to see if it indeed was my post-O temps, and so I'm now 8 DPO and my temp (if you round from the hundredths place) has been 98 the past two days, which is awesome because it never got that high last cycle.

And oh yeah...you know we're not TTA...and um...we DTD the night I O'd!