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post #381 of 432
WOoohoo, for both MW and WW!

AFM, today's LP day 15. I checked my records and in the last 2 yrs (since I've been using paper) I had one 16 day LP and the rest have been 13, so I'm waiting until Sunday before freaking out (well...trying to...)
post #382 of 432
I'm thinking I had another anovulatory cycle. I don't have VP FF so that chart (Decembers) can't be placed on the page.

What do you think? http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2b7160 I had Fertile CM a couple days after the O but forgot to check it in part because I couldn't find my thermometer that morning.
post #383 of 432
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I'm thinking I had another anovulatory cycle. I don't have VP FF so that chart (Decembers) can't be placed on the page.

What do you think? http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2b7160 I had Fertile CM a couple days after the O but forgot to check it in part because I couldn't find my thermometer that morning.
I'm no expert, but it looks like a pretty clear shift to me. I thought anovulatory cycles were more all over the place.
post #384 of 432
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I'm no expert, but it looks like a pretty clear shift to me. I thought anovulatory cycles were more all over the place.
Yeah, I heard that too. But I had another chart in December that looked as though it had clear shift then suddenly it dropped to just above the coverline, then rose on the day of my period. Several people who were very well versed at this said it looked anovulatory.

Either way, it's a very weird chart for me. Usually I have the shift, it stays up through day 7, drops above the coverline, then goes up and stays up, drops on day of period. Usually they're 10-11 days too.
post #385 of 432
Hi ladies. I have an OT issue that I'm desperately searching for input on. It's weird and personal, but I'm hoping someone can help me. Check out this thread: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...7#post15118657
I've PM'ed with some of you, and the rest have heard bits and pieces of my weird situation, so I'm hoping the background will help someone to give me good advice. Thanks!
post #386 of 432
Emily ~ And yay for getting your new home set up. We've been in this house for 2 1/2 years and still haven't gotten all the rooms painted, curtain hung and photos on the walls. It's driving me crazy. By the time we get it done we'll be moving.

Blueone ~ It does look like a thermal shift to me, too. Your lp is way too short, which is what concerns you, right? You may have a hormonal imbalance. It might be a good idea to have some blood tests run.

AFM, nevermind. My temp went way back down this am.

FF Chart
post #387 of 432
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Originally Posted by MarineWife View Post

Blueone ~ It does look like a thermal shift to me, too. Your lp is way too short, which is what concerns you, right? You may have a hormonal imbalance. It might be a good idea to have some blood tests run.
The shortness did concern me a little. But this is a first for me, all other cycles have 10-11 day LPs. I had a baby 7 months ago, 6 of those months were with periods (wasn't able to breastfeed). Maybe it was just spotting, I guess I'll know by the end of the day.
post #388 of 432
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I'm no expert, but it looks like a pretty clear shift to me. I thought anovulatory cycles were more all over the place.
I agree. That is definitely biphasic.
post #389 of 432
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The shortness did concern me a little. But this is a first for me, all other cycles have 10-11 day LPs. I had a baby 7 months ago, 6 of those months were with periods (wasn't able to breastfeed). Maybe it was just spotting, I guess I'll know by the end of the day.
Spotting isn't uncommon mid-lp. It can be caused by the mid-lp estrogen surge or implantation. Women sometimes get spotting for a few days before actually starts. You've only got 2-3 days for that, right? If it isn't flowing enough to need at least a pantiliner, I'd call it spotting.
post #390 of 432
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Spotting isn't uncommon mid-lp. It can be caused by the mid-lp estrogen surge or implantation. Women sometimes get spotting for a few days before actually starts. You've only got 2-3 days for that, right? If it isn't flowing enough to need at least a pantiliner, I'd call it spotting.
It's spotting then. I doubt it's implantation, we've been very careful.
post #391 of 432
Also, even if your lp has regurlarly been 10-11 days long, you could still have a lpd. Normal lp length is 12-16 days. 10 days is considered borderline. Just something to keep in mind if this really is . A lpd could cause your lp length to vary more than is normal.
post #392 of 432
On a similiar note... I've always wondered if the difference btween implantation bleeding and your actual AF is very evident. You hear all the time about people not knowing they were pregnant because they "had a period" but I don't know how similiar they actually are. Is this bleeding always implantation, or are there other causes for it? Annnnnddd... do you think you would get a temp drop around that time, or would your temp still stay high?

Pretty much eevry month when AF starts I catch myself doing the "well some people think they're having their period and it's not"... and then realized I'm not sure how different they are.
post #393 of 432
You don't always get a temp dip with implantation. You can get a temp dip mid-lp that is caused by the mid-lp estrogen surge. Since it happens around the same time that implantation would it's sometimes called an implantation dip.

I have gotten implantation spotting several times when I was pregnant. I haven't gotten it every time I was pregnant but I have never gotten it when I was pregnant. It was very scant brown spotting that only lasted a day, sometimes only once that day. Then it was gone. It always happened to me at 9-10dpo with a 12 day lp. I assumed that was a day or two after implantation. I don't get spotting before so it was nothing like that. My always starts with very obviously flow.
post #394 of 432
That makes sense. To me, implantation bleeding seemed like it should have been more like spotting, but then you have people say they couldn't tell the difference, and that has me confused. Is it because they just don't pay as much attention as some of us do or because some people have very heavy implantation bleeding or... it's confusing.
post #395 of 432
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Originally Posted by Blueone View Post
Yeah, I heard that too. But I had another chart in December that looked as though it had clear shift then suddenly it dropped to just above the coverline, then rose on the day of my period. Several people who were very well versed at this said it looked anovulatory.

Either way, it's a very weird chart for me. Usually I have the shift, it stays up through day 7, drops above the coverline, then goes up and stays up, drops on day of period. Usually they're 10-11 days too.
I think it could possibly be an annov cycle. The CL looks slightly low. If that temp on cd20 is even slightly off (like a tenth lower) then I bet FF would take the CHs away.
post #396 of 432
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That makes sense. To me, implantation bleeding seemed like it should have been more like spotting, but then you have people say they couldn't tell the difference, and that has me confused. Is it because they just don't pay as much attention as some of us do or because some people have very heavy implantation bleeding or... it's confusing.
I think sometimes people don't know the difference. They mistake implantation spotting for a light . I don't think you get bleeding with implantation, though. I think it's just spotting. There are some women who do get a full on even though they are pregnant. Sometimes it's the loss of a twin. Sometimes it's just bleeding maybe from a hormonal imbalance or the lining being too thick that it's needs to shed some. When I was pg with ds2 I started using progesterone suppositories at around 4w. My RE said just in case. At around 5w I decided I didn't need it since there was no evidence I had low progesterone so I stopped using them. 4 days later I had a day of heavy bleeding with clots. I thought I had miscarried. A doc at the ER told me I had an anembryonic sac and would need a D&C. I went home and started using the progesterone suppositories again. The bleeding stopped. At 6w we saw my ds' heartbeat and all was good.
post #397 of 432
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Hi ladies!
I have been lurking here this month because I am charting for the first time and trying to figure out what the heck I am doing!! You all are so amazingly in tune with your bodies and cycles. I am amazed!


Next cycle I will do FF - it was just a little too confusing this first time. Poor DH keeps looking at me like I am crazy because I keep consulting a book before we DTD to make sure I am in the clear!
LOL It gets easier! Welcome!
post #398 of 432
Wow -- we lost power for 41 hours and I missed a lot here! (Anyone else get this snow? 2 feet!)

Interesting question about temps and Oing -- I always wonder that, since my temps tend to rise and fall a lot during my LP

I *know I shouldn't be worrying, since I'm only 9 dpo, but a little part of me starts to panic when I get to CD 30 -- it's the longest since I had DS, altough I had 1 cycle of 32 days between kids. . . besides, I should sleep the sleep of the righeous, because we've followed all the rules. right?
goodnight, ladies!
My Ovulation Chart
post #399 of 432

BBT and Environment

I was wondering, does the season makes BBT's lower or higher? We just had someone move in below us so our apartment during the night as been no lower than 65. In suit, my BBT has started staying a little higher.

Also, we Co-sleep and my son will get a bit restless in the early morning, so I pull him on top of me. Once he calms down he goes back to sleep and I roll him off. Often times I take my temp within an hour of moving him into the bed. Should I alter it for that? How much would I alter it?

Usually my BBT dips when my period starts, but it's been at 97.9 today, which is just odd, unless it's the warmer environment. If I docked it a bit for the fact that my son slept on me for about 30 minutes and I took it an hour after it would be about 97.8, right?

I'm confused.
I also temp because I have hypothryoid and the first few days of a period are the days to determine if I need a raise in meds.
post #400 of 432
16 DPO, but I got a temp drop this morning (.5 degrees). The waiting game continues...
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