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Shyness -- or social anxiety? -- in 8 yo dd

post #1 of 5
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

Since dd was born she's been sensitive and shy -- never one of those kids who would bound joyously into the fray in playgrounds or kids' gatherings. She has been at a wonderful Montessori school since she was 4, and I think it's a great environment for her -- a very small, tight-knit community, a focus on social justice, etc.

However, even in this rather "protected" environment she still struggles with finding her place in a group setting. She has friends and is fabulous in one-on-one situations. But she just doesn't seem to have the skills to negotiate her voice or place when there is more than one kid in the room. She is an only child, and has no experience in vying for attention with siblings. I know kids this age are naturally self-involved, and I've tried to tell dd that just because they're not specfically asking her how she feels or what she wants to do, it doesn't mean they are excluding her. But she interprets everything as a snub, and ends up feeling very alone and left out. I've tried to help her develop communication skills, but it's very difficult to get it across. My heart breaks to see her be in such pain. Yesterday afternoon we had her "Cat Club" meeting at our house (she invited a group of girls to get together on a regular basis to do cat-related activities) and she ended up in her bedroom, sobbing, because "they weren't listening to me."

As she gets older, I worry more. I see how kids like her often actually do get picked on, because other kids sense the weakness. After next year we won't be able to afford an independent school tuition, and we're planning to put her into public school -- and I fear that she's going to get completely lost in that particular shuffle.

Do any of you have any advice? Or do you know of any books that are written on this subject?

Many thanks in advance. It's been years and years since I posted a question on these boards, but I remember how helpful everyone was when dd was an infant -- I can't believe it, but I miss those days!!!

Janice T.
post #2 of 5
Janice,

Saw your post when I was searching for anxiety threads for my dd. My dd1 is this weird mix where her anxiety doesn't manifest itself as being scared or worried all the time, but only explosively when confronted with a situation. It doesn't look like oh-I'm-worried-about-this, but instead I-WILL-NOT-DO-THAT-EVER-AND-YOU-CAN'T-MAKE-ME!

There are a lot of good books, but I haven't been reading them lately. I went through a period when I checked out a lot from the library, but it was hard to find one that was a really good fit for my dd. I'm sure other parents in the throes will have some recs for you. Your dd sounds like she might be a good fit for "The Highly Sensitive Child". It didn't fit my kid so much, but she's anything but classic!

good luck!
post #3 of 5
this book is very helpful in understanding:

The Hidden Gifts of the Introverted Child: Helping Your Child Thrive in an Extroverted World
~ Marti Olsen Laney Psy.D.

The Highly Sensitive Child: Helping Our Children Thrive When the World Overwhelms Them by Elaine N. Aron

I'm throwing this one in just for the fact that your dd said "they're not listening to me" as this is a great book for opening up communication on feelings & needs for the whole family (not just about family conflict)...and she has a need to be heard.
Respectful Parents, Respectful Kids: 7 Keys to Turn Family Conflict into Cooperation by Sura Hart
post #4 of 5
ohhhhhhhh this little girl sounds like ME! Me.

It wasn't so long ago...I mean as an ADULT...that I interpreted stuff like not returning phone calls right away, if somebody said "can I call you back later?" that kind of thing as a really personal snub thing. And I had similar experiences with large group things as your dd's cat-club thing. (I mean not necessarily the tears, but being mad about things.)

Honestly what helped me was having more stuff to do so all this didn't matter--as in marriage and children. Now I plain out do not have time to *think* so much about it. Also, it helped me to understand that other responsibilities *DO* come before friendships and it's NOT personal. People really ARE busy.

(It probably did not help me that I have a mother who takes *everything* personally, it could in fact be where I got it.)

For a child, maybe lots of talks where you point out times that she is too busy (maybe when she's got a project for school) to call somebody and play. Or whenever she is upset, pointing out all the other things that *could* affect this person. Talking about when this happens in your life and modeling how it might disappoint you a little, but you believe the person isn't doing it intentionally to hurt you. (that might be the biggest one, modeling that for her, your reaction and your thoughts)

**another thought I came back later to add**
Talk with her when she is upset by something like the girls at the cat club meeting. Talk about the specific incident and then ask her what the people (person) act like at other times.
Sometimes, one incident by itself=not intentional
but sometimes it could be a pattern of behavior where it *is* intentional and then you can talk about how to deal with that.
(I knew somebody like that once, another friend tried to say I was being oversensitive about things she'd do, but *I* heard and saw other things in private--like always having something negative to say about anything I was happy about, for example--that led me to *know* this was intentional.)

I don't think it's huge social anxiety...I do think it's the reaction of a sensitive person.
But I think you should help her address it and evaluate when it really is a snub and when it's not........I wish somebody had helped me before I hit my late 20s
post #5 of 5
Thread Starter 
Many, many thanks for your feedback, and book suggestions! They help enormously.

Since I first posted, I've had several conversations with dd about the cat club incident, and also about her birthday party that was just this past weekend. About the latter, she seemed quietly disappointed afterward, and when I asked her about it, she told me she thought there would be more playing and running around -- in fact, the party went really well in my opinion -- we held it at the local art museum school and most of the party was devoted to a hands-on art class. It occurred to me in both incidents that the biggest issue was her expectations -- she wanted the cat club to be more structured, and the party less structured. And when things don't go the way she thought they would, she gets overwhelmed or disappointed. I told her that she and I should talk about her expectations before any group activity, so I could understand them (I hadn't realized what she wanted before the cat club or her party) and help her realize them. And then, of course, I had a discussion with her about how important it is to be flexible when things don't go according to a strict plan. Unfortunately I see that this quality -- being so wedding to specific expectations -- is a trait that she has inherited from her father, and it's one that drives me crazy in him (we're divorced, by the way!). So I have to be careful that it doesn't push my buttons with dd.....

Anyway, thanks again for your advice --

JT
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