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post #41 of 71
2/5/10 at 10:06pm
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Did you ever do a hair test? Antimony/arsenic seem to be why dd was always low, and since getting the floors replaced and staying up on her folate (methylation) she doesn't seem to need mag at all anymore...

(what's outrageously high?)
dragging my heels on the hair test. i'm super scared of it...

outrageously high: i've been taking 500mg/daily for awhile now. (was months and months and months, then i slacked on stuff over fall while we were out of town sep, oct, nov & 1/2 of dec. picked back up around xmas.) still having unbelievable chocolate cravings. (but conquering them due to oxalate content, arg.)

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post #42 of 71
2/5/10 at 10:13pm
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Originally Posted by menomena View Post
dragging my heels on the hair test. i'm super scared of it...

outrageously high: i've been taking 500mg/daily for awhile now. (was months and months and months, then i slacked on stuff over fall while we were out of town sep, oct, nov & 1/2 of dec. picked back up around xmas.) still having unbelievable chocolate cravings. (but conquering them due to oxalate content, arg.)

if that's outrageously high, i am so screwed.
I take 1100mg/day!
post #43 of 71
2/5/10 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by menomena View Post
dragging my heels on the hair test. i'm super scared of it...

outrageously high: i've been taking 500mg/daily for awhile now. (was months and months and months, then i slacked on stuff over fall while we were out of town sep, oct, nov & 1/2 of dec. picked back up around xmas.) still having unbelievable chocolate cravings. (but conquering them due to oxalate content, arg.)
Hmm... RDA is in the 310-360 range, depending on age/lactation/pregnant status. I've been doing 600+mg/day, and I don't have metals. Also, no chocolate cravings to speak of.

B6 is supposed to help mag get into cells, and deficiency can increase metabolic oxalates. Are you getting plenty of that? (I should be) I can't say we've ever seen this sandy poop, and I'm not sure that oxalates are showing up on my OAT (still need to see the full report to be sure). But I clearly have risk factors...
post #44 of 71
2/5/10 at 10:27pm
I've never seen sandy poop here, fwiw.
post #45 of 71
2/5/10 at 10:30pm
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I've never seen sandy poop here, fwiw.
Good to know. Has she ever reacted to epsom salt baths?
post #46 of 71
2/5/10 at 10:36pm
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Good to know. Has she ever reacted to epsom salt baths?
She gets a little crazy after epsom salt baths.... but she often does that with regular baths too, so I'm not convinced that it's the epsom salt.
post #47 of 71
2/6/10 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post

if that's outrageously high, i am so screwed.
I take 1100mg/day!
oh! then i don't feel so bad.

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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
Hmm... RDA is in the 310-360 range, depending on age/lactation/pregnant status. I've been doing 600+mg/day, and I don't have metals. Also, no chocolate cravings to speak of.
okay. for some reason i thought RDA was like 125mg. And I'm pretty sure there is some metals going on here.

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B6 is supposed to help mag get into cells, and deficiency can increase metabolic oxalates. Are you getting plenty of that?
i just started up with the B6 again in the last week. I had previously thought the B6 was giving me insomnia, but i think it was all the dark chocolate i was eating after the kids went to bed.


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I've never seen sandy poop here, fwiw.
i would have said that, too, before the other day. i couldn't conceptualize what a "sandy poop" looked like. but then, lily had a poop that even after it flushed, it looked like someone had poured sand down the side of the toilet bowl and it left a ring around the water line. but, we just drastically cut down on our dietary oxalates and were definitely "dumping". we had a brand new, giggly, happy child for several days and now we're back to some mild hysteria over little things. but, now we know that it's probably the oxalates and not a new/mysterious reaction.

it amazing. sals/amines i wasn't so sure about, but the original elim diet worked when we did it 15m ago. we'd never got back to that place again after the challenges, but we were good enough. still having "mystery" rxns, but to save our sanity, just blamed it all on xcon. oxalates fit our seemingly random list of foods that are "no" for us, and the symptoms are fitting. even other people's descriptions of the little white blisters surrounded by red rings (that started 18m ago for us, and no HCP has been able to identify). also, symptoms in me (in my nether regions) that i was just attributing to "yeast"
are now clearly outlined on the vulvar pain foundations "symptoms" list.

i'm excited that this might be "The Breakthrough" that we've been waiting for.
post #48 of 71
2/6/10 at 2:50pm
That's awesome nessa!!
post #49 of 71
2/6/10 at 4:51pm
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That's awesome nessa!!
thanks. i'm hopeful!! for the first time in a long time.
post #50 of 71
2/6/10 at 5:12pm
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I've never seen sandy poop here, fwiw.
Most of what you guys talk about is way over my head : but just thought I would add that dd had major sandy poop and based on a recommendation from this forum, we have been lowering oxalates for the last 6 months now, and I rarely see the sandy poop anymore.

I did find it interesting that one of the articles mentioned antibiotics causing problems, and dd was on prophylactic abx for 2 years until around the same time, so maybe that was causing the problem? But then I also saw that the bacteria doesn't colonize until around age 3, and dd is not 3 yet, so maybe not?
post #51 of 71
3/6/10 at 3:32am
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I've been wondering... Things say mag will bind to oxalates in the gut, if they're not bound to calcium, yeah? Then how does the epsom salt connection work with mag breaking up the oxalate crystals?
post #52 of 71
3/6/10 at 11:29am
can you explain what you mean by "breaking up the crystals"?

i am not very clear on the whole process. i thought cal/mag will bind to the crystals and then come out in the poop. i'm not sure how big the crystals get? do they need to be broken apart or...?

DD2 definitely had crystalline poop the last few days. [if you are interested, there are photos on the trying low oxalate yahoo group that show oxalate crystals in poop - not my kids'! ] it looked like she had had a bunch of almonds or some other nut that was not well digested. but, of course, no almonds or other nuts here. fascinating.
post #53 of 71
3/6/10 at 2:28pm
I was under the impression that too much magnesium is bad if you have oxalate issues. It is talked about in the epsom salt thread. My son has issues with oxalates. If I eat spinach AND take too much magnesium, he has serious problems, colic, cranky, and the runs.
post #54 of 71
3/6/10 at 2:33pm
Thread Starter 
Yeah, the magnesium link is in the epsom salt thread.

Very interesting about the undigested nut bits, menomena. We've definitely seen something like that here, especially with lots of magnesium. Nothing remotely 'sandy' though.
post #55 of 71
3/6/10 at 4:02pm
Huh. I've seen those occasionally for DS, but I just assumed they were .... undigested nuts .

The vitamin K group I'm reading in right now says oxalates can be produced internally if things are out of whack - so it's not dietary intake that matters, it's stuff to handle the oxalates correctly. The big difference is they really avoid calcium supps, rather than pushing them to bind oxalates. I think we have a calcium disregulation issue, not an oxalates issue, but I wonder if that usually follows...
post #56 of 71
3/20/10 at 12:27am
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http://drkurtwoeller.blogspot.com/20...of-autism.html

Apparently sandy stool is also associated with low taurine. And if you google oxalate and taurine, the two are somewhat antagonistic. Great Plains claims it's the increased fat absorption (taurine for bile production) that frees up calcium to bind with oxalates instead of fat. Seems like there's probably more to it, though, but I haven't dug in.
post #57 of 71
3/20/10 at 12:35am
Oh yeah- there WAS an oxalate thread. Then I'll put that Great Plains link here to the doc about oxalates & autism:

http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com...20pages_sm.pdf
post #58 of 71
5/29/10 at 1:46am
bump!
post #59 of 71
6/17/10 at 3:32pm
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http://books.google.com/books?id=eV1...page&q&f=false
from yasko:

"In addition to blood sugar issues, decreased pancreatic activity is sometimes associated with increased levels of oxalic acid as measured on organic acid tests. Pancreatic supports may help normalize these as well."

Her primary pancreatic support is vitamin K (for the glutamate receptors) and pancreatic enzymes.
post #60 of 71
6/17/10 at 4:15pm
Interesting! We just started the lamb Pancreas supplement, so we'll have to do another OAT this summer and see if anything has changed.

Speaking of oxalates.... I was trying to figure out if a local lab could do a urine oxalate test so that 1) we would have to pay for the entire OAT, and 2) I could get it ordered through my regular doc and paid for by insurance... the lab said they could, that it was a 24-hour urine test. But when I picked up the collection container, the tech said it was for the magnesium oxalate test. Not the same thing, right? I need to call and ask, but all my phones are dead.
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