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post #41 of 56
Is there a way to carry a 2 month old in a ring sling in a way that doesn't have their legs all froggied up? She hates it when I put her in the Maya wrap in the tummy to tummy hold and she's always hated the cradle hold in any type of carrier.

She has spent a total of 15 minutes in the ring sling because she hates it. She likes feet out in the body in the hug hold but it's really hard to take her out of it to nurse. I have to take the Moby off, which is a pain.
post #42 of 56
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Originally Posted by Tattooed Hand View Post
Is there a way to carry a 2 month old in a ring sling in a way that doesn't have their legs all froggied up? She hates it when I put her in the Maya wrap in the tummy to tummy hold and she's always hated the cradle hold in any type of carrier.

She has spent a total of 15 minutes in the ring sling because she hates it. She likes feet out in the body in the hug hold but it's really hard to take her out of it to nurse. I have to take the Moby off, which is a pain.
yeah, that's how I carry Nico in the sling... I should just take a picture... but basically he goes in upright, and I make a little pouch for his bottom, legs out, tummy to tummy , and then tighten one of the rails of the sling to support his back and neck. I'll take a picture ...
post #43 of 56
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yeah, that's how I carry Nico in the sling... I should just take a picture... but basically he goes in upright, and I make a little pouch for his bottom, legs out, tummy to tummy , and then tighten one of the rails of the sling to support his back and neck. I'll take a picture ...
Yup! That's what I do with both ring slings and pouches. We just discovered last week that Everett is now big enough to have his legs out and straddling our bodies in the mei tai and Beco. Waaaahhhh... my baby is growing up much too fast.
post #44 of 56
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yeah, that's how I carry Nico in the sling... I should just take a picture... but basically he goes in upright, and I make a little pouch for his bottom, legs out, tummy to tummy , and then tighten one of the rails of the sling to support his back and neck. I'll take a picture ...
ooooh! I think the mistake I was making was tightening the bottom rail. Duh...
post #45 of 56
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ooooh! I think the mistake I was making was tightening the bottom rail. Duh...
no, slings are hard like that-- I swear it was a revelation when I figured out how to adjust the bottom and top rails independently. That's when I fell in love with the ring sling
post #46 of 56
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Yup! That's what I do with both ring slings and pouches. We just discovered last week that Everett is now big enough to have his legs out and straddling our bodies in the mei tai and Beco. Waaaahhhh... my baby is growing up much too fast.
ah, what a sweet big boy! I can't wait for the ergo to be used... then DH will carry him (he's afraid of the sling, but will use the ergo-- dh not the baby )
post #47 of 56
Which carriers allow baby to be facing out (with her back on my chest and facing the same direction as I am)?
post #48 of 56
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Which carriers allow baby to be facing out (with her back on my chest and facing the same direction as I am)?
I'd like to know this too.

We're going to keep working on the ring sling, but even with her legs out, Rassa was complaining in under 5 minutes. I want to love it...
post #49 of 56
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Which carriers allow baby to be facing out (with her back on my chest and facing the same direction as I am)?
I am not an expert, but this is what I've gathered:

You can face a baby out (either with his legs out, so he's "sitting" in the crossbars, or Buddha-style, with his legs folded) in a stretchy wrap (I presume also in a woven, but I haven't graduated to a woven yet). It also seems technically possible in a mei tai, both legs out and legs in. And you can face a baby out in a pouch or ring sling, Buddha-style only. You can of course also face a baby out in a Baby Bjorn-type carrier, but I don't own one of those.

I HAVE TRIED ALL OF THESE (except for the Bjorn), because H. really likes to face out and I get desperate. Of these, facing out in a stretchy wrap with his legs out is most secure-feeling for me and seems to be most comfortable for him. The mei tai is just kind of awkward - it is POSSIBLE but seems like a stretch, you know? And the pouch and ring sling- it does work, but H. tends to object to legs-in carries these days, and even if your baby has good head control, you'll probably feel like you need to keep a hand on him, so it's not a good carry for getting anything done (for me.)

The other things I have gathered about this thorny topic:

*A lot of people who are really into babywearing think that Baby Bjorns are terrible, terrible, terrible. I frankly suspect that some of that is elitist dogma, but for frequent use I can see that they are not very ergonomic. The baby is essentially hanging on his crotch. But generations of parents have carried their babies like that in arms (facing out, supporting him with one hand between his legs) without an epidemic of hip or spine problems or whatever... so I just don't buy that for occasional use you are effing up your baby forever.

*A lot of people think that wearing a baby facing out in any carrier is terrible because the baby is going to be overstimulated, can't turn away to shut out the stimuli, and isn't experiencing cuddle-time and bonding with mama, and can't see her face for reassurance, etc. People state this with absolute conviction, as though it's known to be factually true. I have poked around for actual scientific studies on this, but there don't seem to be any. Ultimately, this sounds to me like something that comes out of Waldorf-oriented German parenting philosophy.

My son, when carried facing out, looks around at what I'm doing with great interest and then falls asleep. I know what he looks like when overstimulated, and that's not it. Your baby's mileage may vary, of course, but I am seriously unconvinced by this objection.

*A lot of people think that wearing a baby facing out in any carrier, not just a Bjorn-type carrier, is un-ergonomic. Even if you fold the legs or make sure that, if he's legs-out, his butt is lower than his knees, the claim is that it forces his spine into an unnaturally straight position.

I don't know enough about baby physiology to be able to tell if this is true or not, so this is the one argument I'm taking more seriously. So for now, I'm trying to wear H. facing out only when nothing else works, and then not for long periods.

Parenting! So confusing.

PS: I caved and bought a ring sling in hopes it would be more acceptable than his pouch slings and easier to pop him in and out of than his wrap and mei tai.

I'm not sure yet. He likes to be in the tummy-to-tummy hold with his legs out, but I feel a little unsure that I've adjusted everything properly to make him really secure. I don't know if he's big enough to straddle my waist enough to make it feel safe?

How do you know if your baby is physically big enough for legs out? Is there a cut-off?
post #50 of 56
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How do you know if your baby is physically big enough for legs out? Is there a cut-off?
For me, his legs just started falling out of the Moby. (That isn't a very accurate description.) He would be sitting with his legs up, then he would stretch and I would feel a little awkward foot poking me in the ribs or my fat roll. I got really frustrated, thinking I was doing something wrong after weeks of doing it right, then I realized "Duh. Put his legs out." It really wasn't a conscious decision about his size. He was getting uncomfortable and stretching every.single.time so I just started always putting him in with legs out.
post #51 of 56
Helen are all calin bleu's guaze? On the website there's cotton or fleece. There's 2 on eBay right now, one is teal but doesn't say guaze and is a nice colour. The other is, a greenish colour, not the nicest colour in the pic, but close to bf poo colour so perhaps better! Is it generally quite a good quality one then? I'm weighing up either buying a length of linen, or getting one of those.

Has anyone any experience using omni-whatsits (omnibushu I think). They seem in between a mei tai and a wrap. There seems less material than a full on woven wrap so perhaps better for me in the height of summer if I make it with some linen.

I could do with something that's easy to pop in and out of at home, if he starts crying when we're eating or I'm on the computer. Anyone any ideas?
post #52 of 56
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How do you know if your baby is physically big enough for legs out? Is there a cut-off?
Trial and error. You can tell when it won't work because baby will look really uncomfortable. We just started legs out in the mei tai and Beco for Everett last week. He was 9 weeks then but he is big for his age (95% for weight/height).
post #53 of 56
i've been doing it with R for 3-4 weeks. It's the only hold she likes. Is it bad for her?
post #54 of 56
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i've been doing it with R for 3-4 weeks. It's the only hold she likes. Is it bad for her?
Are you referring to legs out? As long as she's comfortable. I've had Everett's legs out in the wrap since birth because the cross bars are flexible unlike with the mei tai or structured carriers.
post #55 of 56
oh good. Yes, I've had her in the Moby with legs out for a while. She loves it. she gets crazy if I froggy her legs. I tried to do legs out with the Maya wrap but she just does not like that thing. I'll try another hold when neck control gets better. She's almost there, small but spry!
post #56 of 56
I think that carrying baby forward facing is also hard on mama's back--the baby has more body mass farther in front of you, which makes for a heavier feel, kwim? Like if you hold ten pounds against your chest vs. holding it at arm's length, huge difference! Now if your back is strong enough for it, do it mamas! If the carrier is supportive of the babies back, there should be zero harm in it.

When DD started getting ready to really look around, I invested in an Ellaroo Mei Hip. It's got the benefits of a sling, but it looks and feels like a mei tai. I looooove it! And when she was a bit larger, I started with the back carries. I am a total goof with wrapping back carries, so I waited until she was large enough for me to feel comfortable putting her back there in a mei tai (which was approx. 6 mos. old). She loved it for the next year and a half!

Now I own two woven wraps (I adore little babies in wraps!!), a Mei Hip, a ring sling, an Ergo, and four made-by-me mei tais. And I'm making a soft-structured carrier based off of a mix of an Ergo/Beco as soon as I get the fancy buckles in the mail! It's an addiction!
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