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post #1 of 36
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Okay, I am upset by this.

The dad of one of my dd's closest friends told me this is how he responded to a query by his daughter, who is my goddaughter. We disagree on MANY parenting issues, but this one just bothered me.

His dd wanted to know what the phrase "chicken with its head cut off" meant. He asked her if she'd like to see a video of it and she said yes. She is 6 years old, BTW. So he showed her a youtube video of a chicken running around a farmyard with its head cut off.

FTR, we are not vegetarian and neither are they. We do, however, buy our meat almost exclusively locally, from farms we have visited etc. I don't know why I'm so upset by this. His argument is that "urban children are so far removed from the reality of where their food comes from, they think meat comes from the supermarket..." I did have to point out the irony of using a youtube video to bring his city kid "closer to farm realities." He said there were kids in the video watching the chicken and they were laughing, as was his dd and this was totally "normal." I told him it was our job to teach our children compassion and that while I don't (absolutely) think killing animals for for food is wrong; or that kids laughing makes them cruel or monsters or anything, I would not let my own kid respond that way without talking to her about life and death or whatever. I also pointed out that those kids have probably had an actual relationship with those chickens, maybe been responsible for feeding them and have a MUCH different understanding of what they were seeing than his child. My daughter has been to the farms we buy our meat from, she knows better than his child where meat comes from. Yet I have never felt the need to have her watch a slaughter!

This is one of the many reasons I will never leave my dd alone with him. But then again, I am a very conflicted omnivore who has been vegetarian in the past; so maybe that's affecting my take on this?

Do you think this is actually a good way of introducing this type of subject? Would you do this with your child?
post #2 of 36
I don't understand why you are upset. It doesn't sound like he was making it into something to laugh at, just that he showed her in a video what a kid on a farm would see firsthand. It is pretty goofy looking on its own, so it's a natural response to laugh.

I could see being upset if he'd shown her the head being chopped off, but from your post it seems that was not the case.
post #3 of 36
To quote Julia Child, "I'm a carnivore," but I would never use this method to introduce the explanation. Sure, a complete verbal one, but it would bother me to normalize humor about it. Also, we live in an area where people do hunt for meat, and they take it seriously. So I don't think it's a vegetarian / meat-eater thing.
post #4 of 36
That seems odd to me. I have a four year old who is just starting to ask questions about how the fish on her plate relates to the fish in the sea so we're having these conversations. I would like to teach her that we have to be a respectful of the source of our food, not that it's just hilarious to watch something suffer.

It may be appropriate to her age to laugh at something she doesn't fully understand, but if that was supposed to be a teaching moment...I'm not sure what kind of lesson she was supposed to learn. I wouldn't want to teach my child - don't be sad, it's funny! I am trying to teach her that if we choose to eat meat and animal products, we need to be careful of where they come from, careful about how MUCH we consume, and as compassionate as possible in the process so as not to cause undue suffering.
post #5 of 36
Well, it seems totally a normal response to answer where that saying comes from.

Also, I am not sure how this is a 'cruel' thing. I know my mom grew up in a household where her grandmother slaughtered her own backyard chickens for sunday dinner, and well, this was a common sight during her childhood. Oh, and they were NOT at all urban, but well, I guess, 50some odd years ago, this was much more normal, especially for immigrant families.
post #6 of 36
I wouldn't do that with my child. He's extremely sensitive and we've had some issues with him over the fact that we raise our own meat. So we are very careful to make sure and explain everything to him.

I would explain what the term meant, but I wouldn't show him unless he specifically asked.
post #7 of 36
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NiteNicole, I guess that comes closest to how I feel about it. I KNOW that sort of thing is totally normal on a farm/being raised on a farm (or I've heard lots of stories about this kind of thing). I guess it just makes me really sad. I don't understand why a 6 year old needs to see this in order to "understand where meat comes from." I know she asked about the expression, but she can't really know how she's going to feel when she sees a video like this. And it was the dad's attitude of no big deal, like the chicken doesn't matter. I don't want my dd to think that stuff's funny or inconseqeuential and I would be furious if the dad made the decision to show that to my own dd; which I absolutely think he would hav, even knowing my own feelings. Our kids are not farm kids, they don't have the same relationship with animals and showing them an isolated, possibly gruesome youtube video incident is not helping that, IMO. Yuck.
post #8 of 36
I agree with you OP. That would upset me too. I don't see why he didn't just tell her what the term meant, it's not like she even asked to see a video of it.
post #9 of 36
huh.

I wouldn't be upset by that, even if it's not the way I'd have gone about it.

But, depending on the kid, if they asked, I might show them. And we'd talk about what they were seeing and what they thought of it.
post #10 of 36
I would probably show the video to my older son if the subject came up. He's not an especially sensitive individual, but he is very logic-minded, and is a visual learner. My younger son is a different person altogether. He's very sensitive, and might not be able to handle such a thing when he's older. I think it's really about the individual child, rather than something that's blatently right or wrong.
post #11 of 36
Coming from someone who regularly witnessed chickens having their necks pulled so we could eat them from the age of 5 onwards...

If DD asked at 6 i would just tell her (FWIW she's 3 and already knows meat is from dead animals). I'm not sure i would suggest a video, but i wouldn't veto one if she wanted to see. I'd be more happy to take her to a farm and let her see it first hand than on a movie (which i think suspends reality too much to be useful) but needs must, if i didn't have friends with chickens i might have to resort to a video for a visual.

In terms of the running about - it IS kind of funny to watch, in a black-humour way, and the chicken is not suffering, it's brain has been removed, it is spinal activity which causes the running about. But really it isn't the tone i'd want to take about it all. I am a carnivore, but i believe in respecting where food comes from. I would rather DD realise the enormity of the death which preceded her meal than act like the chicken's life didn't matter.
post #12 of 36
Wouldn't upset me. I think anyone willing to eat meat should also be willing to watch a slaughter.
post #13 of 36
I'd be upset/weirded out by that. I think children who eat meat should be exposed to where it comes from, and should see animals slaughtered (even if only on youtube, heh) but for some reason that I can't put my finger on this seems unacceptable to me. Maybe because it can so easily be answered without resorting the visual, or because using the visual brings up a whole host of other issues (why are those kids laughing? is this funny? is it okay that I think it's funny?) that are completely unrelated to a simple question about language.
post #14 of 36
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Originally Posted by lasciate View Post
I could see being upset if he'd shown her the head being chopped off, but from your post it seems that was not the case.
See, this baffles me, because I have no problem with the idea of seeing the act of the head being cut off (or any other farm animal being killed), but the rest of it bothers me.
post #15 of 36
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Originally Posted by choli View Post
Wouldn't upset me. I think anyone willing to eat meat should also be willing to watch a slaughter.
I'm a meat eater, and I tend to agree.

I've talked with my kids from the time they were old enough to -- well, to talk -- about where our meats come from. If they asked about the saying, I don't think there would be anything wrong with showing them so that they could really understand it. If they someday choose not to eat meat because they don't want to support that sort of thing, that's fine with me . . . that's why I want them to understand it now, so that they are informed.
post #16 of 36
Oh gosh no. I eat meat, I know full well where meat comes from and continue to explain these things in an age-appropriate manner, etc.

But I don't feel that all idioms need graphic visualization to be explained completely and appropriately. English has a LOT of weird idioms and I wouldn't want to see most of them on youtube!
post #17 of 36
oh lol I totally would have done that. But you know what? He is an adult and should have had the brains to ask the MOM first. All 6yo are not the same and it is a matter of respect. Two issues here.
post #18 of 36
from what I read, it was the child's FATHER who showed the youtube video, I'd say he has just as much right to show it as the mother. I am guessing you read that it was someone other than the child's father who showed the video?
post #19 of 36
Thread Starter 
Interesting feedback! I've been trying to think of some other expressions that are probably easy to find on Youtube. P***ing in the wind" comes to mind. Would I put it past this person to show his daughter a video of that? Um, no.

I'm sure my reaction comes from my conflicted feelings about a) eating meat and b) this particular person. I am also very visual and very sensitive and I would still be very traumatized by watching a video of that. Yes, it's hypocritical. I'm working on it.

But as for the specific subject, I really do believe in respect for life. It's tough for me to decide if/iin what way that can include killing animals for food. I do know that I have very strict rules about killing bugs in our house. I spent many hours "rescuing" ants, spiders and even bees from our house last summer. Dd got to watch me confront my very real fear of spiders, because I wouldn't let anyone harm them. I had to work myself up to where I could put a glass up against them, slide paper under them and the glass and transport them outside. I think it was good for dd to seem me willing to wrestle with that. I've also seen her get really good at ant rescue, though most people thought I was nuts. She has since spent much time outside making "new homes" for the ants outside with grass and leaves. Yet, there was also a time when we were overrun with ants and had to kill some of them. I hated it and I was very honest with dd about it. I talked to her about how it was our responsibility not to leave crumbs and other food out to tempt them inside and she very willingly helped me clean the cupboards and such and we really haven't had a problem since; but seriously, I was willing to put in a LOT of time taking ants outside one by one and discouraging them from coming back.
post #20 of 36
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Originally Posted by mommy2maya View Post
from what I read, it was the child's FATHER who showed the youtube video, I'd say he has just as much right to show it as the mother. I am guessing you read that it was someone other than the child's father who showed the video?
yeah for some reason I imagined a grandpa or an uncle. my bad!

although in the case of it being the father I would say perhaps a talk on parenting values is in order! I didn't do this and now my daughter says "puth park!" (South park) b/c I went shopping while DH watched it w/ DD.
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