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post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by SparklingGemini View Post
Yeah. No kidding. Why is that?
"Drowning remains the second leading cause of injury-related death among children ages 1 to 14, despite a 40 percent decline in the childhood drowning death rate from 1987 to 2001. In 2001, 859 children ages 14 and under died as a result of unintentional drowning and, in 2002, an estimated 2,700 children in this age group were treated in hospital emergency rooms for near-drowning....

For children who do survive, the consequences of near-drowning can be devastating. As many as 20 percent of near-drowning survivors suffer severe, permanent neurological disability,6 the effects of which often result in long-lasting psychological and emotional trauma for the child, his or her family and their community."
post #42 of 55
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Thanks for everyone's input on this. I can't beleive this is something that I have to even defend myself about. Tonight MIL is supposedly babysitting so I hope she is not expecting him to go over there. We'll see what happens.
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by GuildJenn View Post
"Drowning remains the second leading cause of injury-related death among children ages 1 to 14, despite a 40 percent decline in the childhood drowning death rate from 1987 to 2001. In 2001, 859 children ages 14 and under died as a result of unintentional drowning and, in 2002, an estimated 2,700 children in this age group were treated in hospital emergency rooms for near-drowning....

For children who do survive, the consequences of near-drowning can be devastating. As many as 20 percent of near-drowning survivors suffer severe, permanent neurological disability,6 the effects of which often result in long-lasting psychological and emotional trauma for the child, his or her family and their community."
Right. I get that drowning is awful. And that pools are considered dangerous. But what your post didn't include is what numbers of those drownings were pool related versus river/lake/ocean/bathtub/bucket etc.

I'm just stunned at the number of people would never even consider a house because it has a pool. Really? I don't know. Personally, I think its over the top to say that a pool can never be safe enough.

And how many of the people who would never buy or rent a home with a pool don't even pay attention to local streams, rivers, canals and culverts?

post #44 of 55
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Originally Posted by SparklingGemini View Post
Right. I get that drowning is awful. And that pools are considered dangerous. But what your post didn't include is what numbers of those drownings were pool related versus river/lake/ocean/bathtub/bucket etc.

I'm just stunned at the number of people would never even consider a house because it has a pool. Really? I don't know. Personally, I think its over the top to say that a pool can never be safe enough.
I agree. We live in a house with pool...with a locked metal gate that has spikes at the top. It shuts and locks automatically, but we are vigilant about checking and double-checking. We also have a secondary lock on it. And we have latches at the top of the doors (not in kid reach, though they could get there by climbing on a chair, so it is definitely not our primary safety measure) leading out back. Our kids can't swim yet, but they've been trained on what they must do if they fall in and have practiced it with their clothes on. We do not let them come into the pool area until we are 100% ready to supervise.

We were taught by some folks in the pool industry that pool alarms often make things more dangerous because they give folks a false sense of security. I think that's true. We bought not pool alarms when we moved in, but door alarms for both the back door and the gate to the pool. I never ended up installing them, I think more than anything because I didn't want to get too comfortable. When we moved in, my kids were still at ages requiring constant supervision. We always had our eyes on them. Now they are older, but not old enough that we don't know where they are at all times. I think our gate system is great, and I think our supervision is better.

There is some risk to having a pool, like there is to many useful things. There are significant benefits, however. Our pool, for example, has a therapeutic use for our kids, who both have special needs. They really get a lot out of being able to swim multiple times per day every single day in the summer. I think with proper precaution, the benefits can outweigh the risks. But the precaution has to be there.

The one and only time we have had a problem, it has been a user error (too many adults with the kids at the pool, and I made the grave mistake of trusting that the other adults were keeping an eye on the kids when I told them I was walking over to the other side of the pool to do something...I should have verbally made sure they were watching and willing to take responsibility...I take full responsibility for not doing so...anyway, my son-- in a fight that could have been broken up-- pushed my daughter into the pool and I had to run over, dive in, and fish her out because apparently the other adults standing RIGHT NEXT TO HER couldn't think clearly enough to do that themselves). My mom was there and stood there screaming at my son instead of going after my daughter. It was even at the shallow end. That was infuriating especially because I want my son to actually get my attention if something bad happens at the pool and I am not looking for some reason...not to be too afraid to tell anyone. There was a time and a method to discipline my son around breaking the rules, but it wasn't screaming bloody murder pre-rescue. Anyway, my daughter was shaken, but fine. Still, the accident that happened could have just as easily happened at the Y or a community pool or whatever. The fact that we were by the pool wasn't because we happened to have a pool at our house. It was because we were choosing to go swimming.

So my advice to the OP is not have MIL babysit at MIL's house. The reason? First, the pool absolutely needs to be gated and locked, etc., and it doesn't sound like it is. Second, I believe pools can be safe enough to justify their benefits, but user errors prevent safety and unless she takes things very, very, very seriously and is 100% alert and cautious, a user error is too much of a possibility to outweigh the benefits.
post #45 of 55
P.S. If there has been a 40% decline in drownings, I assure you it is not because there are 40% fewer pools.
post #46 of 55
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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
Either you trust your child care provider or you don't. Pool or no pool. There are 50 million other things that your kid can be hurt or killed by in any home. A pool is just one. IME people that don't have, or didn't grow up around a pool are much more fearful of them around their children than those of us that did/do.

Having a pool is not an automatic disqualification for me.
I have to disagree with this. Pool drowning is such a risk, and the risk always involves death.

I would not leave my toddler for daycare at a home with an unfenced pool.
post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by goldingoddess View Post
I have to disagree with this. Pool drowning is such a risk, and the risk always involves death.
To the extent this is true, so is the street that runs in front of my house, and probably your house too. Cars drive on it, which is such a risk, a risk that could so easily result in death.

It is a wonder all of us don't fence our front yards. But mine isn't fenced...is yours?

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I would not leave my toddler for daycare at a home with an unfenced pool.
Though I do agree with you on this point. I heart fenced, locked pools and vigilant care providers who I can trust .
post #48 of 55
We bought a house not long ago that has a pool. DS is three and we fenced the pool. I don't trust myself with DS and an unfenced pool. It happens too quickly. I don't think you're being too cautious.

The fence we put around it has a lock and is very sturdy but it's sunk into small holes in the patio and is completely removable. If your MIL was willing you could put up on of those fences. It could be down with the holes covered when the house is being shown. She could even leave a note that there is a fence for it. Might be a selling point for any families considering the place.
post #49 of 55
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Originally Posted by SparklingGemini View Post
Right. I get that drowning is awful. And that pools are considered dangerous. But what your post didn't include is what numbers of those drownings were pool related versus river/lake/ocean/bathtub/bucket etc.

I'm just stunned at the number of people would never even consider a house because it has a pool. Really? I don't know. Personally, I think its over the top to say that a pool can never be safe enough.

And how many of the people who would never buy or rent a home with a pool don't even pay attention to local streams, rivers, canals and culverts?

"Federal statistics show that children under one year most often drown in bathtubs, buckets, or toilets, while children from one to four years old drown most often in residential swimming pools." http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/Ne...save_press.asp

The risks can be mitigated for sure, but they remain risks.

My husband and I are both former lifeguards and we love to swim. We bought a house with a pool, and we filled it in. We were not just worried about our then-future children, but also we didn't want to deal with the possibility of teens scaling the fence, etc. etc.

I get that for some families the fun of the pool is worth it, and as I said the risks could be mitigated. For us, we prefer to walk over to our local community pool.

I would not want my child to be watched by someone who had a pool and was NOT taking the risk seriously. It is a serious risk. So is driving, so we use a carseat. Etc.
post #50 of 55
They should be listening to you.

A pool wouldn't be high on my list of desired situations for babysitting, but I'd be okay with it if it was gated/highly secure.

My mom lives on 5 acres. Her pool is gated, but within the "small yard" of her back lot. So the patio doors open up to a courtyard with the pool. Not ideal. BUT my mom put 3 sets of locks on the regular door and the screen door after it, and I know she is hypervigilant when DD is there, so it's not a worry.

If your MIL and DH have a laissez-faire attitude about the pool to begin with, and can't even accomodate you with some childproof locks, I'd be REALLY uncomfortable with that situation. I don't think you are crazy at all.

Also--my house is right on a small river, we have a dock, boats, etc...we spend a lot of time down by the water but safety first! There's a risk with everything (busy roads, pools, rivers, bathtubs...) but you have to use your common sense.
post #51 of 55
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Originally Posted by Sierra View Post
P.S. If there has been a 40% decline in drownings, I assure you it is not because there are 40% fewer pools.
I believe it is because more and more laws are being passed involving fences and other safety measures.

If the pool had a good fence, like what you described it wouldn't bother me.
post #52 of 55
I agree with an earlier poster that 3 is old enough to understand about the dangers of a pool. Last summer I was nannying at a house with a pool with my 2-2.5 year old, and it wasn't really an issue. Of course, I'm not 70, and I was taking care of multiple older children, but I was cooking and cleaning and not always on top of him.

In my experience, one child with one grandmother gets a LOT of attention. It's not like he's just going to break out of the house and go jump in the pool while she's in the bathroom for a minute. I think it hinges on whether you trust the grandmother and whether you trust the child. But I understand that I'm in the minority about this.
post #53 of 55
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I agree with an earlier poster that 3 is old enough to understand about the dangers of a pool. Last summer I was nannying at a house with a pool with my 2-2.5 year old, and it wasn't really an issue. Of course, I'm not 70, and I was taking care of multiple older children, but I was cooking and cleaning and not always on top of him.

In my experience, one child with one grandmother gets a LOT of attention. It's not like he's just going to break out of the house and go jump in the pool while she's in the bathroom for a minute. I think it hinges on whether you trust the grandmother and whether you trust the child. But I understand that I'm in the minority about this.
Sorry I totally disagree. I would never trust a 3yr old to understand about the dangers of a pool. Thats how accidents happen. Children are curious and I know especially my son escapes out of doors at any opportunity and if something were in the pool (say for instance a leaf or bug) he would reach in to get it. At my MIL's he's always trying to escape out the doors to get outside to play. My MIL came over to babysit DS the other morning. She was on her cell phone for 40 minutes talking business. I was in the other rm working and listening. So if she were to do this at her home she is not fully attentive to my child.
post #54 of 55
I don't think you are being over cautious.

Here in Australia pools must be fenced yet every summer we still hear of tragic child drownings.

I think every child should learn how survive if they fall into a pool or bathtub.
post #55 of 55
Thank you, baltic ballet, for putting forward the Australian approach. It's good that our swim schools promote teaching children how to save themselves when they are in trouble in the water, but I am so, so grateful that we have pool fencing requirements.

I think they have saved many young children from drowning. And probably a few drunk adults as well.
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