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post #121 of 202


You know, sometimes there really is justice in this world.

I am sorry, however, for all the anguish that this has caused you. I hope that April comes and goes and is equally favorable for you. You deserve to put this far, far behind you and start focusing on much more positive things.
post #122 of 202
Awesome!
post #123 of 202
Oh, good! I, too, have been following this silently. I'm very relieved for you. I hope this all goes away soon, because this is just ridiculous. (And scary!)
post #124 of 202
Such good news!

"Unbiased adults lay eyes on the kids..." yeah, I definitely want agents of the government requiring me to display my children at regular intervals. Gloriosky!
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post #126 of 202
I too have been silently following and thought of you all day, wishing you luck. I am glad it went well!
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post #128 of 202
Ok I literally guffawed at my desk when I read the comment from your lawyer about the judge arguing your case for you! Hooray for people who can see reason - it does sound like it went very well. It also sounds like the judge was smart enough to see the end runs CPS was trying to pull and isn't going for it. Good luck on the 20th of April, but it sounds like it's going in the right direction!
post #129 of 202
Yes! Yes! Yes!!

I am delighted for you and your family!!!!

I'm sorry that you've all had to go through this. The only silver lining I can think of is perhaps CPS will remember this before they go after another family. So maybe someone else out there will be spared your pain and frustration!

I'll be thinking of you on the 20th!
post #130 of 202
This calls for some dancing veggies!!!

Seriously though, so glad it turned out well. I'll keep praying that the 20th will mark the end of this nightmare for you.

Oh and Brian sounds like an awesome attorney. Hats off to Brian
post #131 of 202
I've been silently following this too, and wishing the best to your family. SO glad to hear that the hearing today went well. I'm glad you hired your lawyer, and I'm glad that the judge appears to be sensible.

Here's hoping everything is dismissed in April. I'm so sorry you've had to go through this!
post #132 of 202
I'm so happy to hear that the judge was sensible!
post #133 of 202
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Originally Posted by mykdsmomy View Post
This calls for some dancing veggies!!!
LOL could not have said it better myself. I just read back through this and ye gods, the grandiose ideas these cps workers seem to have

I'm so glad SOMEONE in the legal system had enough brains to put an end to that lunacy! I'm sure come April you'll be free & clear
post #134 of 202
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Originally Posted by CariOfOz View Post

I'm so glad SOMEONE in the legal system had enough brains to put an end to that lunacy! I'm sure come April you'll be free & clear
She said everything that I was going to.
May it be entirely dismissed in April.
post #135 of 202
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Not Great News

Here is the latest:

We have heard nothing from CPS since our last hearing about five weeks ago. Nothing. Not a phone call, not a visit, not an email. I'm not complaining, mind you.

I talked with Brian, our lawyer, today after he called CPS concerning the adjudication hearing a week from today. He was hopeful they were dropping everything and we wouldn't even have to have a hearing. But they are wanting to press the monitoring of sick DD for a longer period of time. Basically they want to know that DH is doing all of DD's health care and that she is getting appropriate care. Which we have been doing anyway. They are still wanting to push homeschooling a bit and seem horrified that I am involved in the girls' homeschooling.

So here are our choices:
We can roll over and let them keep watching us in exchange for them softening the homeschooling stuff. (My concern about this is it being seen as an admission of guilt - I will ask Brian on Thursday when we meet if we can do this with the understanding, on the court record, that we think this is ridiculous and are not guilty of anything other than excessive worrying early on.) But right now, watching us is not really overly intrusive.

OR

We can fight it. Let them present their stuff and let us present our stuff and let the judge decide. That would be brutal emotionally and might not result in a good decision. Then again, it might all be over.

I'll know more Thursday. I am open to MDC opinions and food for thought and would even appreciate them.

My therapist has increasingly begun to believe that the red flags that caused them to investigate were understandable but once we were cleared what has kept them going has been a prejudice of sorts against the type of wacko parents we are - you know - homeschooling, delayed vax, no TV, and all that. Who knows?

They did demand (today, through Brian (I love having a lawyer - it really was necessary in this case)) a letter about how we homeschool and what it will look like next year. Here is a (edited for anonymity) copy of the letter I sent to Brian to send to CPS:

SMITHS' HOMESCHOOLING WEEK

Here is a typical week for X and Y:

Monday: Mom is gone on Mondays. Dad does various activities with the girls - library time, reading time, hiking. Sometimes the girls do story time at the library.

Tuesday, Wednesday, & Thursday morning: Girls are in school with B. This is where, at this time, their main reading, writing, and math work happens. They are both doing well and are both above grade level.

Tuesday afternoon: Baking time with mom which involves a formal discussion of math concepts and reading.

Wednesday afternoon: Art time with mom. They do painting and/or crafts.

Thursday afternoon: Farm time with dad. They work on observing and recording what they see outside.

Friday morning: Spanish class with L and four other homeschooling children.

Saturday: Free day - often involving visiting friends.

Sunday: Sunday school for the girls - taught by K, followed by church and fellowship time.

Each day there is reading time - both picture books (where X and Y are both working on their reading) and involved chapter books that they recall for the parent who is not reading in order to work on listening comprehension.

In July, we are planning to formally begin __ grade with X and ___ grade with Y. We will be using the Enki homeschooling curriculum which combines elements from Waldorf, Montessori, and classical education with a strong multi-cultural base.
As part of that Y and X will still have weekly visits at the library, they will both continue to work with B (likely on separate days as B is going to plan a day for older kids), they will continue to have Spanish with L as well as attend Sunday School. Also, one afternoon a week we will be hosting other homeschooled children at our house for nature time and craft time. Mondays will continue to be days with dad. X will also have an enrichment activity of some sort which she will choose with our guidance - right now she is leaning toward county soccer in the fall.


As always, glad for any advice. I will update again after we meet with Brian on Thursday and again after the hearing on Tuesday.
post #136 of 202
My goodness, you poor dear! I am so terrified and outraged at your situation! Having this horrible intrusion into your home for what?? Worrying overly and being so called "over" protective??!!! What about the parents who don't care at all to worry over and protect their dear children?? For crying out loud- don't they have some abusers and perverts to track down!!??? I am SO MAD I'm just shaking at what they are putting your family through, it is SO wrong. I really don't have any advice for you, but know that you are being prayed for and we're all pulling for you. I really hope you win.
post #137 of 202
The request for a homeschool schedule...did your lawyer tell you how that was pertinent...e.g. how they had grounds for the request? Is it a state-based issue?
post #138 of 202
I'm really sorry this is happening to you. I find it scary.

I would have been more vague and schooly (in a general way) so there can't be questions in their minds about hours spent and the like.
Something like this:


Here is a typical week for X and Y:

Monday: Mom is gone on Mondays. Dad focuses on reading, literature and physical education activities. The girls sometimes attend a library story hour and this day includes their weekly library visit.

Tuesday, Wednesday, & Thursday morning: Girls are in school with B. Their main reading, writing, and math work occurs at this time. They are both doing well and are both above grade level.

We also specifically focus on particular content areas in the afternoons.

Tuesday afternoon: hands on activities to reinforce math and reading concepts.

Wednesday afternoons: Art.

Thursday afternoon: Science, nature, and math with dad.


Friday morning: Spanish class with L and four other homeschooling children.
Friday afternoon: math, reading, writing.

Saturday: Free day - often involving visiting friends.

Sunday: Sunday school for the girls - taught by K, followed by church and fellowship time.
I get that you are thinking another adult eyes on the kids w/the church stuff. I'm just not sure it's all relevant to your school plan but if you think they would be reassured by that leave it in. Same w/Saturday.

Each day there is reading time - both picture books (where X and Y are both working on their reading) and involved chapter books that they recall for the parent who is not reading in order to work on listening comprehension.
I'm not sure I'd include this as you said you do reading, math, writing above--why single out one area to specify that you do it every day since you already stated you do this stuff daily. If it's that this occurs on Monday and Friday as well I'd add it specifically in on those days (which I did) in a general way. I get it, by the way, I'm just trying to read it the way these people might think.

In July, we are planning to formally begin __ grade with X and ___ grade with Y. We will be using the Enki homeschooling curriculum which combines elements from Waldorf, Montessori, and classical education with a strong multi-cultural base.
As part of that Y and X will still have weekly visits at the library, they will both continue to work with B (likely on separate days as B is going to plan a day for older kids), they will continue to have Spanish with L as well as attend Sunday School. Also, one afternoon a week we will be hosting other homeschooled children at our house for nature time and craft time. Mondays will continue to be days with dad. X will also have an enrichment activity of some sort which she will choose with our guidance - right now she is leaning toward county soccer in the fall.
The last part sounds good to me.


As always, glad for any advice. I will update again after we meet with Brian on Thursday and again after the hearing on Tuesday.
I hope it goes well.
post #139 of 202
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Originally Posted by claddaghmom View Post
The request for a homeschool schedule...did your lawyer tell you how that was pertinent...e.g. how they had grounds for the request? Is it a state-based issue?
I'd worry that providing them the schedule will open you up further from criticism even among people who would normally be supportive (i.e. 'I don't see enough history lessons in your schedule, too unstructured' etc.) I would do as the pp suggested if you MUST provide this, and keep it very vague -- otherwise don't supply a schedule at all. Just say something like, "our schedule complies with XYZ guidelines/regulations and both kids are on track for their grade level" or something to that effect.

Also, I vote for option 2 -- don't roll over and let them interfere like this!! CPS is being ridiculous, & remember even the JUDGE thought so, is that the same judge you'll have next week? Even if it isn't, if there is any justice in this world, I think ANYONE involved (besides CPS!) will find this whole thing totally unjustified. Why admit any 'guilt' if you've done nothing wrong? Why let them into your life long-term just to appease them? This makes absolutely no sense to me (unless there's something else you're not telling us) and I would NOT under any circumstances just 'roll over'.

post #140 of 202
If you have to describe your home schooling, I would do it like this:

Subjects: Reading, writing, mathematics, natural science, art, history, Spanish, home economics, physical education (M-F); Christian religious education on Sunday

Instructors:
Core subjects: ___________ (degrees)
Enrichment subjects: Father (degrees), Mother (degrees), and then list out the tutors and if they have college and graduate degrees list them.

Schedule:
M-F 9-2
Sun 9-1 (religious education)
or whatever ... just list out an hours schedule.
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