Why do people assume the only reason for not vaccinating is fear of autism?? - Page 3

[Kailey's mom]

Originally Posted by fruitfulmomma

I don't discount this theory as plausible, but with all due respect, so what? Whatever name you want to give it, these children and their parents are really suffering and if vaccines have anything to do with it, that is a problem.

Yes, and this is why I made my post. People are so worried that vaccines are linked to autism. It's not autism, it's *to be blunt* brain damage! Autism in itself does not scare me, but brain damage..that's scary.

I do not vax because I'm afraid of my child having brain damage or death. I've met a ton of people on the spectrum that were happy. I've also met with people on the spectrum that were suffering so bad, and they were in agony. From my own experiences, the people who had regressive autism, seemed to be sadder.

Am I making sense. I know what I mean in my head, but it's hard to write it

eta: I believe people can be born with Autism. I also believe that people are being misdiagnosed with having Autism, when their problems are a result of poisoning.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by Kailey's mom

What I am trying to say is that I believe that some people are predesposed to having Autism. They are born with Autism. Then, there are people who have vaccine induced neurological damage. This is not true autism, what I mean by "true autism" is that the child wasn't born with it. The child was injured by vaccines.

I think everyone with Autism has a predisposition; not every child vaccinated has Autism and not every child living down wind from that plant in Texas has Autism

At this point we don't know if there is an Autism gene that produces Autism (as a gene does for blue eyes) despite the environment. There is a theory being studied now that some cases of Autism are due to the vaccinations the mother received during her lifetime and how the "environment" of her (vaccinated) body may impact fetal development. So even some cases of "congenital" Autism may have a link to vaccination.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by Kailey's mom

eta: I believe people can be born with Autism. I also believe that people are being misdiagnosed with having Autism, when their problems are a result of poisoning.

Misdiagnosis? the result is the same. No one tells drinkers and smokers with cirrhosis and lung cancer that they don't have "true" cirrhosis and lung cancer, because a clear environmental factor resulted in their disease.

[Kailey's mom]

Originally Posted by Emmeline II

Misdiagnosis? the result is the same. No one tells drinkers and smokers with cirrhosis and lung cancer that they don't have "true" cirrhosis and lung cancer, because a clear environmental factor resulted in their disease.

Yes, Misdiagnosis. If they would accuratly diagnose the problem as "chemical poisoning" or lead poisoning, or what ever it actually is.. then maybe there would be steps to take (chealation therapy for one) Maybe insuance would cover testing to see what exactly happened in the body. Instead, a diagnosis or autism is placed..and it's supposed to just be accepted, as though the person was born this way.

When talking about cirrhosis or lung cancer caused by drinkers and smokers, it would be alcohol induced cirrhosis. Smoking induced lung cancer. Why is it wrong to want the same truth when it comes to vaccine injuries. Why is it always autism, when it's not. It's not autism, but since a lot of the symptoms are very similar.. why not say "vaccine induced autism" ?

[Kailey's mom]

Originally Posted by Emmeline II

Misdiagnosis? the result is the same. No one tells drinkers and smokers with cirrhosis and lung cancer that they don't have "true" cirrhosis and lung cancer, because a clear environmental factor resulted in their disease.

Results are not the same. This was clear to me when I started spending time with those in the autism community.

[skyblufig]

Well, to answer the OP, YES it makes me a little nuts as well. I'll assume that for most people, there's more than one consideration in play when they make any decision. And that's exactly what it was for us: a consideration, but not really a concern. We've got people "on the spectrum" on both sides of our families, but more concerning to me personally is my own exceptionally strong family history of autoimmune disease. Out of seven people in my immediate family, all seven have autoimmune disease(s). So it made no sense to us to start injecting foreign proteins, chemicals, etc into our children when that stuff has no business being there in the first place. After being kicked out of 2 ped practices, we found a family practice doc who understands perfectly.

The Jenny McCarthy thing both amuses and irritates me. What can one say to people who assume one makes decisions based on what a celebrity says? "Thank you for assuming I have no critical thought processes of my own??" It's right on par with the "friends" who indirectly slam my home birth by bringing up how "popular it's getting with you crunchy types because of Ricki Lake!". Blech. I want to warn them sometimes "you know we crunchy types blend in really well on the street -- you may want to take care with the hand sanitizer, it might be catching..." But I digress.

When I step back and take a look at my unvax'd son, who's on or off the spectrum (depending who you talk to) with Sensory Integrative Disorder and a speech delay, I have to wonder how much more difficult it would have been for him had we vax'd him. Maybe it would have made things more difficult for him, maybe not. But it's still not something I'd ever be willing to chance, you know? We trust nature and we trust our bodies to support us as long as we're taking care of ourselves mindfully.

I too have medical family members who find a way to inject the question of whether we've vax'd yet?! into every conversation and I have yet to find a way to gracefully answer that without out sounding irritated. But I cut myself some slack because I put that question right up there with asking someone whether they've had a nice bm today yet.

[dmbincp03]

I read the responses here and find them every interesting. Just a little rant....

I wanted to add, that it not just the assuming it is the autism thing that drives me bananas with people and their approach to the fact that I have decided to not vaccinate. What REALLY drives me bananas is that they look at me as if I am the wacko, because I question that my child be vaccinated, that I think that it may not be right for my child. It does not make sense to me that these people challenge my decision, yet go to their pediatrician and willfully allow their child to be vaccinated without question.

If a doctor wanted to start a child on a medication, a parent would surely question the side effects, they would read the insert and want to know much more about it. Yet it seems that vaccines are just so routinely accepted by parents and never questioned. I mean How can it be only concerned with autism a vaccine insert which lists ingredients and side effects. I would seriously consider not starting a medication if one of the side effects listed were permanent brain damage - dtap as per the CDC website. Oh yeah ... it's "rare" as per their website, may not even be associated with the vaccine ... give me a break.

I don't question people and their choice to vaccinate, they can make their own decision, I would like to be able to make my own decision without judgement of others. We make the choices about our children and we as parents have to live with them.

[Jugs]

Originally Posted by Kailey's mom

Yes, Misdiagnosis. If they would accuratly diagnose the problem as "chemical poisoning" or lead poisoning, or what ever it actually is.. then maybe there would be steps to take (chealation therapy for one) Maybe insuance would cover testing to see what exactly happened in the body. Instead, a diagnosis or autism is placed..and it's supposed to just be accepted, as though the person was born this way.

I think it all comes back to the medical community's refusal to see autism as something other than a mental condition; until that happens, we will never know what's what. In many states, screening for lead levels has become a standard practice in an autism evaluation, but any other metal screenings you are on your own. For us, we couldn't find a doctor who would order a complete screening and we couldn't afford to see a DAN! doctor to order the tests; since my state doesn't allow patients to order their own screenings by mail, I had to have them shipped to my brother out-of-state, who mailed them to me, then I mailed them back to him after we took ds' samples, who then mailed them back to the lab to get the results. I don't think it will become standard practice any time soon because, if too many autistic children are showing elevated metals, people start to ask uncomfortable questions, kwim?

[Kailey's mom]

Originally Posted by Jugs

I think it all comes back to the medical community's refusal to see autism as something other than a mental condition; until that happens, we will never know what's what. In many states, screening for lead levels has become a standard practice in an autism evaluation, but any other metal screenings you are on your own. For us, we couldn't find a doctor who would order a complete screening and we couldn't afford to see a DAN! doctor to order the tests; since my state doesn't allow patients to order their own screenings by mail, I had to have them shipped to my brother out-of-state, who mailed them to me, then I mailed them back to him after we took ds' samples, who then mailed them back to the lab to get the results. I don't think it will become standard practice any time soon because, if too many autistic children are showing elevated metals, people start to ask uncomfortable questions, kwim?

Exactly!