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Toddler weaning advice and conception woes

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
My 27 month old son nurses once, sometimes twice in a 24 hr period. My partner and I have decided that I should wean him in order to increase our chances of conceiving. (Well, my partner is less enthusiastic about the idea of weaning him. She'd like him to nurse until he's 3-4, but is willing to support this plan under the circumstances).

In an ideal world, I would nurse him as long as I could, but here are the facts of the matter: I have tried to conceive three times using fresh sperm from a KD (the same donor who gave us our son.) Despite having night weaned, my cycles continue to be very irregular. I am charting every possible fertility sign (CM, basal temps, saliva ferning, LH testing, cervical observation, AND use of an OvaCue fertility monitor!) I'm following much of the fertility enhancement advice of "The Essential Guide...". Yet each of these recent inseminations has felt like a shot in the dark, a best guess more than anything. The signs just are not strong and synchronized yet like they used to be. Our donor and his wife have been SOO supportive and understanding, but they won't want to try forever, especially since he already donated many, many times in an attempt to help my partner conceive. (Incidentally, I conceived on the first try after my partner stopped trying, so We're pretty sure it's not a sperm issue) I am 38 years old, and we want to do everything possible to up our odds of conceiving soon. Hence the weaning of our toddler.

So, here's a question: Does anyone have advice for weaning? I'm taking a trip to visit my mom for the weekend by myself at the beginning of March, and I thought that would be the best time to do this. Should I talk to him about it now, or just before I leave? Should we give him some kind of consolation prize like a present or something? I'm not fond of the whole "you're a big boy now" approach, because he's not. He's still a little boy, and ideally he'd still be nursing. I've thought about telling him that it's because we want to give him a little brother or sister, because he LOVES babies, and that we have to save the milk for another baby. But then what if we never do conceive? Sigh.

Any advice on any of this would be much appreciated.
post #2 of 15
Moving to Breastfeeding Beyond Infancy since this is more of a breastfeeding issue than a Queer Parenting issue.

Good luck!

Lex
post #3 of 15
I think I would start talking about it now & not spring it on him. Maybe you can start getting him down to nursing only once every second day first & then do the full wean when you go away. With only one session left it may go very smoothly.

Good luck. You are so fortunate to have such a supportive donor.
post #4 of 15
one thing I recently saw on my toddlers LLL list was to create a paper chain and tell your LO that each time he breast feeds you'll remove a chain, then when the chain is gone you're done bfing. This way he can decide if he wants to save up the chains or if he wants to use them quickly, and it gives him some control while giving an end-point to your breast feeding relationship. I thought it was a really cool idea. Best of luck.
post #5 of 15
please dont cold-turkey wean your LO by means of an out of town trip. that is very harsh. will i personally favor letting the LO decide when to stop, if you really need to stop now, i like the paper chain idea.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your help. I do like the paper chain idea. I should also mention that this will not be the first time we've been apart and he hasn't been able to nurse. Many times in the past year I've gone away for one to three nights. This would just be the first time I've gone away without taking my pump to sustain lactation, and it would be the first time he wouldn't get milk when I come home. That makes it a little easier, at least in my head.
post #7 of 15
Have you tried B6? I had really bad signals until I started b6- it helps reduce prolactin (which suppresses progesterone and reduces egg quality). I got pregnant the 1st cycle on B6 while nursing a LOT. I've also heard good stuff about vitex, but it takes a while to work.

Also, what about mucinex to help with your mucous? It is also supposed to really work.

I'm not sure about the weaning - I've haven't weaned yet so I don't know :-(
post #8 of 15
Have you thought of a weaning party? My friend weaned her 3 year old with a weaning party. He totally understood the concept. He may be too young to understand, but every kid matures differently.
post #9 of 15
Hi, I am not sure I have much advice but I feel for you because I am in a similar situation with my 30 month old son. I am 39 and we would like another baby. I had a miscarriage a month ago and I am starting to think I should wean before trying again. My husband is supportive either way, but my son is not interested in giving up his 'Mama milk' 3-5 times a day. When I talk to him about being a big boy and sleeping without milk he becomes attached to the breast for days. I have come to the point of just waiting it out some more... a tough thing to do at 39, though I don't have to ask for sperm. I hope it works out for you.

PS. A friend of mine weaned when she was away, when she came back she simply said to her daughter 'we don't do that anymore' and always had a snack ready. There was simply no discussion. It worked great for her. It seemed like a really simple no big deal, no time to think about it approach. It may be one of those things where saying less is best.... Easy for me to say, but I have not done it.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
Wow, thanks everyone for taking the time to respond. And special thanks to you Spicy Tomato for your "I can relate"-edness. This is a difficult ethical dilemma, and it's a comfort to know I'm not the only one dealing with this particular internal conflict. Now my partner feels so conflicted about the situation that she can't even discuss it with me!
post #11 of 15
I feel for you both.... it is a tough place to be...


[QUOTE=kalamos23;15053804]Have you tried B6?

Is this just vitamin B6?
post #12 of 15
Yep just vit b6 - I took 50mg in the morning and 50mg at night.
post #13 of 15
I like the paper chain and party ideas.

It doesn't sound like your LO is nursing very much at all. I can understand your partner's feelings but maybe he would be open to working through it? Would nursing that little really affect things?

I wish you the very best of luck.
post #14 of 15
One thing that worked for me was to shorten the actual nursing session, not to withhold it completely.

If you are able to lower your supply that way and then go on your trip and not pump, I would imagine you'd be pretty low. If your son still wants/needs to nurse upon your return, he would have an even lower supply to deal with. And still using the shortened nursings may really help.

Would it be possible to get a sperm supply and freeze it? Then you can use it when you need to and your donor won't be needing to donate over a longer period of time.

One thing I noticed when trying to get pregnant and still nursing was that I'd have long periods of fertile mucus and a short luteal phase. This corresponds with a typical breastfeeding pattern. If you can see a pattern and see a change, that might really help.

Good luck!!
post #15 of 15
Just chiming in to say similar situation here, TTC #2, DD is 2.5+, nursing just 1-2x/day, for about 10 minutes each time. I just got to this level with her less than a week ago, after cutting out 2 other nursing times b/c I was, for the first time, really starting to feel agitated while nursing. Like I'm really ready to be done... Anyway, DD has been fine about it overall, and I'm going to stay at this level for at least a week or two more. Then my plan is to cut out the before-bed nursing, b/c she really falls asleep with DH right now anyways. And the last nursing to go will be the before-nap, which gets skipped sometimes now anyway, if she falls asleep in the car, or if we decide for some reason to skip the nap in favor of an early bedtime.

I really like the paper-chain idea when we get to cutting out that last nursing time! I've also thought of getting something special to give her after our last nursing that celebrates our time nursing together - maybe a special bracelet to wear? I might even link the paper-chain to the bracelet... hmmm...
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