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post #1 of 15
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My cat has been having issues for a while now, but they were relatively mild. He was peeing outside the box (but next to it, for what that's worth) and he's been on thyroid meds for about 5 months. Well, in the past two weeks or so, he's sort of had a lot more accidents. And once he peed on his "bed", but didn't sit in it after, and I caught it and washed it and it was fine. But after he peed on his bed, I called the vet... because clearly something just wasn't right.

The vet came on friday (we have a home vet b/c he freaks out if we go to the regular vet), drew blood, and gave him a saline injection or whatever - because he was dehydrated, and also a steroid to see if these things helped him feel better. Well, saturday, he seemed a lot better, sunday, he starte peeing EVERYWHERE (which the vet said might be normal b/c of the amount of fluid they injected - turns out the bloodwork came back as mild kidney disease - the numbers were around 5, where he said many of the cats he's treating with kidney disease was more like at 10 or 11). It wasn't like he was going out of his way to pee someplace, like mark it or something, but he'd be, say, on his way to the litter box and just pee in the hall... or he'd be at his water dish and pee and then be standing in it He also jumped into the shower while DH was showering the other day - he's *never* done that, but generally jumps in as soon as we get out. He also pooped in the shower that day and peed in there twice that day, but we haven't seen it since.

He's just been seeming progressively worse. Today he peed ONCE since I got up. He just mostly sits in his bed. Although twice today he's just sat at the water dish for like half an hour (which is up on a table so the kids don't get into it) and once today he fell jumping up there Needless to say, the water dish will be moved to the floor... but last week he was jumping up there better than he had in YEARS.

I should add that a few months ago he had a bladder infection and we had him on antibiotics for 10 days and that's when he stopped playing with our other cat and pretty much just living on his bed when he wasn't eating, drinking, or using the litter box.

It just seems like everything we do to help him makes him worse Is that even possible? It's always within days of us doing whatever it is to help that he seems like 100 times worse

I'm so worried about him. Last week, I expected another good couple years out of him, this week? I'm shocked when I wake up in the morning and he's still breathing
post #2 of 15
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LOL... 42 views and no one's gonna take a crack at it?
post #3 of 15
Sorry! I didn't know what to say. How old is he? I think if he was my cat I would definitely contain him in one room to both minimize the mess and lessen the chance that he could hurt himself. It's hard to guess without any veterinary training if he's failing mentally or physically, or both.

Can you tell if he's in any pain? Does he seem to recognize you? If he's not in pain, it couldn't hurt to keep observing him and hope he snaps out of it. Personally, I would do this over taking him to a vet for a bunch of stressful tests, but that may be just me. My cat is getting up there in years so I know I'll have to worry about this kind of thing sooner or later.

At the very least, it sounds like he's lucky to be in such loving and understanding hands.
post #4 of 15
I don't know what to advise. I just wanted to let you know I read. Have you ever been to the Catster forums? They were immensely helpful to me when my beloved kitty became ill. I hope you find what is wrong.
post #5 of 15
Maybe try "Feline Urinary Support* it's made by Natural Care. This helped my cat. It's an all natural suppliment. How old is your cat? At any rate, if the cat isn't in pain, I would just love him, and make things easy for him like you already plan on doing ex: food, water dishes on the floor. Maybe get a few litter boxes instead of just one, or keep the kitty in one room. If he gets to the point where he's in pain, and there is nothing that helps, well... I wouldn't want to let the cat remain in pain. It's hard
post #6 of 15
I was going going to say kidney disease before I even read that far...but I think it's worse than your vet's "numbers" are showing. I'm also wondering if he might be getting a bit constipated--that can happen if it's painful to urinate and they briefly try to avoid it or if they are getting dehydrated, then they pee a lot, b/c they are irritated. It can also cause pain. It's a yucky cycle--we've been there w/a female cat w/kidney disease.

If he's not already either totally on a canned cat food diet or a homemade diet, switch him ASAP. Give him chicken broth w/a tiny bit of salt, sugar, and "no salt" (be his very own form of gatorade), fish oil (very, very good for kidney disease--helps reduce the inflammation and pressure, as well as helps keep the bowels moving), and distilled water (no tap water). If it's only his kidneys, this can all help him tremendously. If possible, get him into a veterinary acupuncturist. In case your vet hasn't mentioned it, end stage kidney disease becomes very painful and the animal will hunch over and clearly be painful (I know he's not there right now, but just so you know..)

Something still isn't right here, but kidney disease can do what you are talking about.

GL!

mrsfru
post #7 of 15
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He fell recently and his leg seems to be giving him a little discomfort, but he's still using it. Yesterday was slightly better. I think one problem may be that we use the feline pine litter (and have for years) but the pieces are bigger - I wonder if he's not using the litter box because it hurts him to spread out his toes the way the bigger chunks would require. I'm considering finding a better litter (smaller pieces) that would be more gentle on his toes.

I have *some* soft food that I've been giving him. He scarfs for like 10 seconds, and then sort of walks away. He's not eating even close to what he "should" be according to the label, but at least it's something. I'm hoping to make him some home-made low protein food today. I gotta pick up ingredients around going to my niece's birthday party (an hour away *sigh* ), but I had wanted to check with the vet on the recipe i found.... it's the recipe my mom's cat was fed while she had kidney disease (for years).

My mom said it's not overly palatable for the cats (at least her cat didn't like it that much), though, it seems, so anyone have tips on making it more palatable without stressing his kidneys?
post #8 of 15
It sounds like kidney disease. A low protein canned diet is essential for kidney disease as it will help them process the waste better. In addition to this doing at home Subcutaneous Fluid injections weekly help (this is something that a tech at your vet's can teach) I have taught many, many people how to do this at home.

There are 3 important values BUN and Creatinine As well as an urine specific gravity. These 3 together (as well as others) will help to diagnose the severity.

Go here to learn more about Renal Insufficiency/Failure in cats:
http://www.felinecrf.com/what0.htm


I did a 3 day conference last year and the majority of it was on Kidney issues in cats.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by lonegirl View Post
It sounds like kidney disease. A low protein canned diet is essential for kidney disease as it will help them process the waste better. In addition to this doing at home Subcutaneous Fluid injections weekly help (this is something that a tech at your vet's can teach) I have taught many, many people how to do this at home.

There are 3 important values BUN and Creatinine As well as an urine specific gravity. These 3 together (as well as others) will help to diagnose the severity.

Go here to learn more about Renal Insufficiency/Failure in cats:
http://www.felinecrf.com/what0.htm


I did a 3 day conference last year and the majority of it was on Kidney issues in cats.
Thanks. Yeah, the vet is recommending the subcutaneous fluid injections, but the cat got so much *worse* after he did one on last friday that it makes me worry.
post #10 of 15
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today I woke up to my cat meowing... he was in the bathtub and bleeding from the mouth. I thought he wanted help out, so I brought him out, then he jumped back in. I gave him a bowl of water and he drank for a while, then just hung out in the bathtub for like an hour. I kept checking on him. His mouth still has red blood on it, even though i keep wiping it away. I'm assuming that means he didn't just fall on his face or something. Later, I went to check on him and he was sitting *in* the bathroom sink. Later he started meowing, so I went in to check on him and he was standing next to the sink looking like he wanted to get down, so I brought his bed in there and put him on it on the floor. Dh gave him some more water, and i offered him some broth, but he hasn't had any broth as far as I know... he *did* get up for the water dh gave him.

post #11 of 15
kidney cats often have very bad dental disease too and lesions in the mouth.
Is he eating? Does he look dehydrated (do a skin tent check by lifting the skin on the scruff of his neck....does it fall back quickly or slowly?)
He may need to be on iv fluids to normalize him (both for hydration and electrolytes. if he isn't eating offer him anything that is a fave of his (tuna/chicken/canned low quality tasty food) he will need to get calories. Did you get any low protein food from the vet?
He sounds like he needs a bit more agressive treatment.
All the best and keep us posted
post #12 of 15
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we took him to the veterinary ER and ended up having him put down Hardest decision we've ever had to make, he was a much loved cat. He hadn't really eaten in a couple days...

Please no flames. It's been a horrible day.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Juvysen View Post
we took him to the veterinary ER and ended up having him put down Hardest decision we've ever had to make, he was a much loved cat. He hadn't really eaten in a couple days...

Please no flames. It's been a horrible day.
I am so sorry! That is a really hard thing to have to deal with. I would never flame you. Unfortunately, it sounded as though he had truly taken a turn for the worse. just so you know....by the time he started showing signs he was likely down to only 30% kidney viability.....this is why it is so difficult in cats. They hide their problems so well until they just can't anymore (if they gave us a hint earlier we could step in and help faster). Know you did what you could and you loved him tremendously.
All the best to you.
post #14 of 15
Oh gosh, I am so sorry...why should anyone flame you? The second to last post sounded devastating, so sad, clearly this was a cat in severe distress/pain, and you could not let him keep suffering. I am sure it was very hard, but I don't see a better alternative for a situation like that. RIP sweet kitty.
post #15 of 15
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Oh gosh, I am so sorry...why should anyone flame you?
I guess it's just so hard to know if we did the right thing or not, but I definitely can't deal with any flames right now, so I just thought I'd say it just in case. Thank you for your condolences. My eyes hurt from crying all day.
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