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Am I out of line?????

post #1 of 9
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A situation came up recently that had me questioning my parenting. I'm pretty much an intuitive based parent, always have been, and tend to base my parenting on what my child needs, not what others think but in this case I'm really not sure what is appropriate.

My 14 yo ds accessed a couple of websites about 6 months ago that were extremely questionable (he googled boobs when a friend was over). I found it in the history and my DH and I talked to him. We explained that we don't like the p*rn industry and we think stuff like that oversexualizes kids, sometimes exploits women, yada yada yada, but that it is normal to be curious. We also explained it was not okay to google stuff like that or visit websites as they could be infected and could potentially ruin our computer. We had quite a few conversations about it (which my poor ds was pretty embarrassed about) but were matter of fact about it. Our approach is that most kids are pretty curious and we didn't want our ds to feel ashamed.

My DH left it that if ds wanted, my DH would get him some appropriate magazine. My ds would never, in a million years, take my DH up on this. We know this but want to keep the lines of communication open and have him feel okay with talking about this type of stuff with us. Anyway, I talked to local friend about this and she was absolutely aghast. She sent me all sorts of links about children and p*rn and how terrible it was.

I live in a very mainstream community and usually don't talk with locals about my parenting choices as some of them would be viewed as very outside of the norm (co-sleeping, bf, not spanking, etc.). I forgot who I was talking to when I spoke and now I'm regretting it. The way we handled it felt right for our family but now I'm second guessing us.

Were we way out of line? I'm not talking about providing hardcore anything, more like a Victoria Secret's catalog or something. We just thought that wanting to look at half-nekkid women (or men, depending on their preference) is normal for kids and we wanted to provide some guidance on it. Our parents never talked to us about anything so we're in the dark on all this kind of stuff. In addition, none of our friends have children as old as my oldest ds so we're forging our way through on our own.

Should we have told him that it was bad and not ever to do it????? What is the norm in this situation?
post #2 of 9
Well, I am completely in agreement with how you handled it! I think its a reasonable and responsible way to handle the situation. When my sisters and I were around that age (I was a bit older, they were younger, if I remember correctly), we were discussing porn with my mom and mentioned we were curious to see what the big deal was with the magazines, and how graphic they were, only to have my dad say he'd show us if we wanted to know, then go upstairs and return with a few old Playboys.It was totally fine, we looked through them together and discussed them. Our neighbour purchased magazines for her son when he was around 14 too.

My family was always very open about discussing sex and because of this, my sisters and I are very open and comfortable in our sexuality as adults. Im fact I am very passionate about the importance of information and conversations about sexuality both with children and adults. Thinking about sex and about people in a sexual way is very normal for a 14 year old, and providing him with the tools (mentally as well as actually if he does take your DH up on the offer) to deal with this is important to allowing him to learn about his sexuality in a healthy way.
post #3 of 9
I think you and your DH handled it perfectly, including the offer of magazines that are not porn but still of interest. I say this because, well it honestly is perfectly natural that he has this interest and perfectly natural that he wants to look.

The norm in the situation is what the friend suggested, unfortunatly. That is part of the puritanical obsession that North America has. Boys interested in looking at half naked girls (or girls interest in looking at half naked boys) is evil and should be stopped at all costs. Yet look at the obsession that has developed in NA over half naked women (and men) in advertising, the overt sexual nature of even the most unsexual topic in advertising and other media. We make the human body taboo and end up with an intense desire for it to such a degree that it essentially takes hold of society. It's bad and so it becomes the perfect medium for attracting peoples attention.

Add to that the social stigma that starts to slowly eat away at peoples (especially girls) sense of self. We end up with girls who are sexually repressed and yet feel the pressure to "perform" in that way, so the only way to be anything in this world is to parade around objectifying oneself instead of just being oneself. Really, you can tell the difference between women who dress in what can be considered a more provocative manner because it is how they are comfortable, and those who do it because they consider it the only way to get a boy friend. One presents herself as someone to be taken seriously, the other presents herself as a free-for-all sex object that must be leered at and lusted over.

Um... I think I got just a bit off track. Anyway, you and your Dh did good in my opinion, we have a very sex positive household though. We teach DD that these things are perfectly normal too.
post #4 of 9
I think the way you handled it was just fine. I've never found ds1 looking at anything like that, but I seriously doubt he never has, at least out of curiousity...and I certainly have no control over what he does on other people's computers when he visits their homes, yk?

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lAnyway, I talked to local friend about this and she was absolutely aghast. She sent me all sorts of links about children and p*rn and how terrible it was.
Okay. She's aghast. It's terrible (whether it was porn or not is a whole other question and actually kind of subjective). What did she think you should do about it?

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We just thought that wanting to look at half-nekkid women (or men, depending on their preference) is normal for kids and we wanted to provide some guidance on it.
It's certainly normal, ime. I can remember a friend smuggling a Playgirl to school, so we could check out the "equipment" on the guys.

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Should we have told him that it was bad and not ever to do it????? What is the norm in this situation?
IME (and this is mostly going back to my own teens, not to ds1's friends, but does apply to some other teens I've known), the norm is to tell them that it's bad, not to ever, ever do it, and then assume they don't/won't/haven't. IME, it's also quite normal for them to continue looking at it, and just hide it. So..not very effective, imo. You can't order away someone's curiousity.
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
I was shocked by her reaction. My DH and I just figured what we did was logical.

Her response was so strong that I questioned our instincts and was wondering if we were crossing a line. It is difficult to be surrounded by a community that is so unlike us in parenting style.

We're pretty average sexually repressed North Americans but in this case I didn't see that big of a deal about it. Guess it is just one more way that I don't see eye to eye with society.
post #6 of 9
I think you did fine.
post #7 of 9
I think you did fine. I don't see a huge difference between a teen boy looking at Sports Illustrated swim suit issue and a teen girl hanging up Team Jacob posters in their room. It all seems pretty normal.
post #8 of 9
I don't know if you are interested, but can I recommend a fiction movie shown in the Swedish school system about the reality of sex workers? It's from the director Lukas Moodyson (2002) and is an excellent foray into why prostitutes and porn aren't such great industries to support. It's really harsh, but it sends out a clear message.

Obviously this is a little off topic from your original post, but it's something that I'd want my kids to see when the time came.

The movie is called Lilja 4-ever.

Oh, and I think you did the right thing!
post #9 of 9
No I don't think you should have told him it was bad. Actually I've found some ... colorful things in the history after one of my ds used my computer & we ended up not saying anything to him. It doesn't appear to be anything that he does repeatedly either, I think it was just a moment of curiosity which is totally normal.
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