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post #1 of 15
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Hello! I have just recently made the final transition to Vegan. My journey started late last spring when I came down with "fifth disease" (Parvo B-19. There was an outbreak at my kid's school and, clearly, I hadn't had it as a kid). My symptoms were basically identical to an acute case of Rheumatoid Arthritis that lasted about 8 weeks in all, and the only thing that helped at the worst time was eating a completely plant-based diet. After several back and forths, I realized that I just simply feel better when I'm not eating meat or dairy products, and the rest, as they say, is history.

So, here I am. I'm 45 years old, have two young children and a hubby who are all omnivorous. I'm OK with that, since they do eat whatever I cook, and since I like to cook, the meals I provide are usually quite tasty. I have a whole book-case full of cook-books. I'm not one to prosyletize, but when people ask me, I will tell them I'm happier not eating any animal products. When we go visiting, I will usually bring a dish or two and a dessert that are all outa this world, and folks are surprised at the lack of the expected ingredients.

My transition became complete when I got a Vitamix for my birthday this year, and also when I found a brand of soy milk that I really like. The final hump for me was the milk in the morning coffee issue. I am a true coffee afficionado, and have always loved it with a splash of whole milk. But I'm good without it now. I really like Vitasoy unsweetened, and when that's not available, Trader Joe's unsweetened (even though there's a disclaimer on the carton stating that it's made on machinery that might also process milk, nuts, etc, etc...). I also really like So Delicious plain coconut yogurt, and
"Original" coconut kefir. The kefir is profoundly delish in smoothies, and the probiotics can't be beat.

The thing I still haven't figured out is the whole B-12 issue. I am sure there are countless threads and will browse them shortly. But my questions are:

1) Is a supplement necessary? If so, which ones to folks recommend?

2) Are there any plant-based sources for it.

3) What other supplements are others recommending?

Looking forward to sharing info and insights with you all!
post #2 of 15
1) I would recommend a supplement. It's cheap and you don't have to do it every day, so it's sort of a 'why not?' thing. But, if you're eating lots of fortified foods (alt milks, nutritional yeast, cereals) you may not need it. I take a multi with more than enough daily B12 (you only need very little) and I'd say for you adding a multi would be better than just adding B12. Everyone should take a multivitamin! =D

2) There are NO plant-based sources of B12. Spirulina has a B12 analogue but that actually interferes with your B12, so don't use that for your B12 source (though it's a healthy food great for other things). A study just came out showing a tiny amount of B12 on mushrooms, but it was like 5% of the RDA per serving. The only reliable vegan source of B12 is from fortification or supplements.

3) Multivitamin, as said above. I also take vitamin D2 and DHA. I highly highly recommend vegetarian DHA (from microalgae) and if you live in an area that actually has fall/winter, I say definitely do vit D as well (D3 is animal derived so you'll need D2)

Luck!
post #3 of 15
Have you tried So Delicious coconut milk coffee creamer? It's incredible!

To meet our requirements for B12, we use nutritional yeast. It has a very pleasant, "cheesy" flavor. I even make Mac and Cheese with it that the whole family likes!
post #4 of 15
We use nutritional yeast. I also take a multi everyday.
post #5 of 15
I've been mostly vegan for 9 years (a few confused years mixed in there w/ some milk-product consumption and still occasionally eat seafood, ~1/mo). During the second half of my pregnancy, I was getting leg cramps despite drinking lots of water, dailiy exercise and stretching (I bike commuted thru my 2nd trimester and did prenatal yoga every week the second half of my pregnancy). My hemoglobin count was fine but my red blood cells were on the large side which my midwife said was due to low B-12 intake. Even though my prental vitamin and the snack bars should have been providing adequate B-12, my midwife said some people don't uptake it via digestion very well, so she suggested the sublingual (under the tonge) liquid or tablets - it gets taken directly into the bloodstream. I'm still taking it to make sure not only I, but my BF LO gets enough B-12.

I've never been into taking lots of vitamins and other supplements b/c I believe that eating a diet of fruit, vegies, nuts, seeds, grains and legumes should provide me with everything I need. However, B-12 in that diet would come from any soil lingering on the vegies which is hard to come by unless you're growing the food yourself and trust your soil enough to not wash it off as much as possible.
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by Jenille View Post
Have you tried So Delicious coconut milk coffee creamer? It's incredible!

To meet our requirements for B12, we use nutritional yeast. It has a very pleasant, "cheesy" flavor. I even make Mac and Cheese with it that the whole family likes!


I LOVE the So Delicious Creamer. Your post really caught my eye because I had fifths disease in 2002 and that began my journey on the road of veg*nism. I became violently ill whenever I ate animal products, especially meat but dairy as well. Up until now I had never heard of any one else going through the same thing. Makes me wonder what about that disease in adult hood makes people "allergic" to animal products. Glad you're here though
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I LOVE the So Delicious Creamer. Your post really caught my eye because I had fifths disease in 2002 and that began my journey on the road of veg*nism. I became violently ill whenever I ate animal products, especially meat but dairy as well. Up until now I had never heard of any one else going through the same thing. Makes me wonder what about that disease in adult hood makes people "allergic" to animal products. Glad you're here though
I actually do not like the Coconut Creamer, although I really really wanted to. So Delicious's other products are so amazing. But the little bit of sweetness in there just really turns me off. I don't know, I might try it again in a couple of months to see what I think. Right now TJ's unsweetened soy is working out really well.

Re: 5th Disease. I'm so sorry you've been through it as well. It is really hard to understand how badly it affects people because there's so little known about it. There's a whole thread on Misdiagnosis.com where folks talk about their wretched experience with Parvovirus. I have to say, I haven't fully recovered yet. It will be a year on Memorial Day. But really, the only thing that helped me was to cut the animal products. A colleague of mine thinks it's the inflammatory effect of dairy in particular. A homeopath recommended that I focus on getting a lot of green and orange fruits and veggies every day. I try my best, and I feel it does help. It also bothers me to eat food with too many ingredients. I was never this sensitive in my life!

I, too, am glad to be here! Thanks all for the warm welcome!

PS: I'm taking a soluble lozenge form of B-12. I'll look into a multi tomorrow.

Peace.
post #8 of 15
Forgot to add that acupuncture helped me quite a bit when I was going through the worst of it. My acupuncturist also gave me a chinese herbal medicinal. I know it had astragulus and something else in it, so that might help as well.
post #9 of 15
Here is a really interesting article about the myths of B-12 deficiency, I think it brings up a lot of great points, hope you enjoy if you get a chance to look it over...
http://www.pamrotella.com/health/b12.html

One important point the article amkes is that the role of healthy bacteria in your gut as producers of B-12 has been very underrepresented.

I think it s a great point.

Best Wishes & healthy Bacteria for everyone!
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Here is a really interesting article about the myths of B-12 deficiency, I think it brings up a lot of great points, hope you enjoy if you get a chance to look it over...
http://www.pamrotella.com/health/b12.html

One important point the article amkes is that the role of healthy bacteria in your gut as producers of B-12 has been very underrepresented.

I think it s a great point.

Best Wishes & healthy Bacteria for everyone!
So cool! Thanks for sharing.

We do take B12 and even do eat meat sometimes. We are dealing with allergies and skin issues and have found that by adding in high amounts of B12 it help[s our liver detox pathways to open and we are seeing much improvement and a reduction in allergies. We have gut issues so that may be why we don't have adequate or the right bacteria to produce B12. So this helps me to know that we need to work on our guts and then we wont have to take all the b12.
post #11 of 15
I generally get my B12 from nutritional yeast. When I'm traveling I'll try to get some fortified soymilk as a source instead.
post #12 of 15
So glad you found the link helpful! There are a lot of great probiotics out there and a lot of so-so ones. My family has done really well on the Renew Life Brand, if you need any suggestions
post #13 of 15
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I generally get my B12 from nutritional yeast. When I'm traveling I'll try to get some fortified soymilk as a source instead.
how much nutritional yeast do you use??
do you give it to your child, if so how much??

im doing a lot of research on vitamins and espeically B12, and have found so far that plants of the sea (sea weed, nori, kombu) spinach, parsely, watercress, and many different herbs contain B12
post #14 of 15
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how much nutritional yeast do you use??
do you give it to your child, if so how much??
I don't really measure it out, I just sprinkle it on food and/or cook with it in recipes. I try to aim for somewhere around 2 tablespoons a day.

Still gestating my child so he is getting it through me.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by jenn09 View Post
how much nutritional yeast do you use??
do you give it to your child, if so how much??

im doing a lot of research on vitamins and espeically B12, and have found so far that plants of the sea (sea weed, nori, kombu) spinach, parsely, watercress, and many different herbs contain B12
Just had to pop in to say that this is not true. Sorry, not trying to be sassy! But I can see you really care about your little one's health so I wanted to say something.

B12 is made by bacteria. It is not found in ANY plant foods (not spinach, herbs, etc). The compound found in algae (sea weed, nori, kombu) is actually a B12 analogue that may interfere with the absorption of real B12. Seaweeds are very healthy but are NOT an adequate source of B12.

One study has shown B12 in button mushrooms, but it was only 5% of the RDA per serving so again, not an acceptable source.

The ONLY vegan source of B12 is 'synthetic' (lab-grown) - either through a supplement or through fortified foods (some but not all nutritional yeasts, cereals, alt milks, etc)

There is a LOT of misinformation out there about B12. Here's a well-researched article full of good information, from a very reliable source. http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/

Good luck!
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