NAET appointment - log of progress. Need input. *UPDATE* - Page 2

[Blessed_Mom]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Yes, L-glutamine can cause crankiness and restlessness at night. It is an amino acid which is a primary fuel that the intestinal lining uses to repair itself.

Pharmax recommends the Neonate with lactose for the dairy intolerant. It does not contain the dairy protein casein. The probiotic strains (human strains, not bovine or soil or GMO) are grown on agar.

The company and the dieticians at Rockwell have a good track record. I think you should ask about your practitioner's experience with these probiotics before you dismiss them automatically. It's entirely possible they've been through this issue before.


RE: low milk supply

Are you taking a calcium/mag. supplement? My milk supply went very low when I was dairy free and missed taking my supplements.

What are the fats in your diet? Quality fats are very important as they directly relate to type and amount of fat in your milk.

Oh - thank you. So - I can give Neonate for my DD even though she is dairy allergic- correct?

And - I will get right on the CaMg supp and fats in my diet (right now few)

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Blessed_Mom

Oh - thank you. So - I can give Neonate for my DD even though she is dairy allergic- correct?

And - I will get right on the CaMg supp and fats in my diet (right now few)

I would double check with your practitioner!

[BirthKathy]

My son has an IGE allergy to dairy, and I believe that he reacted badly to the Neonate. Just my experience...

[Blessed_Mom]

AND - back to square one !

Anyway...my dear Dr. is out of town until Tuesday

[Momo123]

By coincidence, I had the same question about the Pharmax HCL Neocate probiotic so I contacted Rockwell about the lactose. They confirmed what JaneS said about it being okay for dairy allergic babies as there is no dairy protein (the milk lactose is a sugar and they said they had personally not heard of any case where the lactose was a problem). Obviously everyone should do what they feel comfortable doing, but just wanted to pass that info along!

[Blessed_Mom]

So -

As kooky as the Dr. was , her plan of approach seems sensible enough. OR am I wrong??

This is what she prescribed:

Cod Liver Oil - which we know is great for the vitamins, and to heal the gut. This is the "CLO Elite (orange flavored-yuck) and is free of dairy, yeast and other stuff but says "may contain soy"

L-Glutamine from Thorne Labs - which we know helps build the gut lining although no one has answered if it can be given to infants??

Homeopathy - Pleo Sab Cand drops which are Candida Albicans. This is to fight yeast and even though this would be the most suspicious in case my DD does NOT have yeast - it is homeopathic and there are supposed to be NO side effects

Pharmax HLC Neonate probiotics - this is supposed to be one of the better probiotics in the market. Rockwell is very reputable. Probiotics are supposed to crowd the gut with good bacteria so that the bad guys are thrown out (crowded out). No dysbiosis.
They have Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bifidobacterium Infantis and Lactobacillus Paracasei in them. Have lactose.

So seemingly a good plan. Can somone think of what else we may be missing in healing the gut? She asked us to stop grains and fruit and up veggies and bm.

Only thing is - on tuesday I need to ask her about CLO having soy and Neonate haing lactose when my DD is soy/dairy allergic.

Any insights anyone?

[Blessed_Mom]

Funnily her poo diaper today was "more of undigested food" than normal. Should I chalk it up to a one time off incident or what?

I expected - with the glutamine and probiotics that her poo would be more "normal" with more food digested than thrown. I am a bit confused. Any insights?

[mamafish9]

A few questions - how do you know your milk supply is dwindling - because your DD is still hungry after nursing, or because she's not gaining weight? Not gaining is a common symptom of food intolerances and poor digestion around here (as is wanting to nurse all the time).

Personally, I'd be cautious on the l-glutamine, and cautious on directly supping most of those things except probiotics for your babe. If you take the CLO, the vites and EFAs will pass in your bm. I *think* l-glutamine will as well. For CLO, I'd pick a non-flavored one (no point adding more variables) - and the Carlson one I don't *think* has vitamins added back to it, so it's likely she just recommended it for the EFAs and not the vites.

But the primary thing I think is important for gut healing is getting rid of all the irritations. Sounds like you've pulled some of the common allergens/intolerances, but not all (not gluten, for example). I'd start eliminating foods from your diets and trying to find baseline that way, not just relying on doc testing (although I think that can be helpful).

For yeast, do you think you have a yeast issue? You might try probiotics for yourself as well...

[kjbrown92]

If you're doing yeast stuff, then you could have "die off". Means different things for different people.

Do you know if it's an allergy or an intolerance? Some allergy people can tolerate soybean oil and/or soybean lecithin, but not all. And my kids, soy intolerant, can't tolerate either of those (or lactose, or whey, or any part of the milk, not just the protein).

[Blessed_Mom]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

A few questions - how do you know your milk supply is dwindling - because your DD is still hungry after nursing, or because she's not gaining weight? Not gaining is a common symptom of food intolerances and poor digestion around here (as is wanting to nurse all the time).

Personally, I'd be cautious on the l-glutamine, and cautious on directly supping most of those things except probiotics for your babe. If you take the CLO, the vites and EFAs will pass in your bm. I *think* l-glutamine will as well. For CLO, I'd pick a non-flavored one (no point adding more variables) - and the Carlson one I don't *think* has vitamins added back to it, so it's likely she just recommended it for the EFAs and not the vites.

But the primary thing I think is important for gut healing is getting rid of all the irritations. Sounds like you've pulled some of the common allergens/intolerances, but not all (not gluten, for example). I'd start eliminating foods from your diets and trying to find baseline that way, not just relying on doc testing (although I think that can be helpful).

For yeast, do you think you have a yeast issue? You might try probiotics for yourself as well...

nak

we bought the clo from the doc. Elite clo.

she said soy lecithin is ok for my DD.

Also that my DD does NOT have wheat allergy. Shouldn't I trust that?

I never had yeast issues and don't now either. I don't even know what it means to have yeast issues or the symptoms.

[Blessed_Mom]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

If you're doing yeast stuff, then you could have "die off". Means different things for different people.

Do you know if it's an allergy or an intolerance? Some allergy people can tolerate soybean oil and/or soybean lecithin, but not all. And my kids, soy intolerant, can't tolerate either of those (or lactose, or whey, or any part of the milk, not just the protein).

No - doc didn't specify if it was an allergy or intolerance.

[kjbrown92]

How was she tested? that would tell you which it is.

[Blessed_Mom]

Muscle testing. Actually muscle of my DH when he held her. It is a kooky alternative therapy

[kjbrown92]

Personally, I would rule out allergies first (I did it with my kids, just so I knew which I was dealing with). Muscle testing is fine as long as the practitioner is good at it. That's intolerance testing. If that's the case, I'd take out ALL of whatever the food is (so for soy, all of it, lecithin is not okay, and if it's dairy, all dairy, even lactose). Because right now you're trying to get to baseline. After you get to baseline (no symptoms), then you can check to see if lactose is tolerated or lecithin, but you won't know if you don't take them out first.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by Blessed_Mom

nak

we bought the clo from the doc. Elite clo.

she said soy lecithin is ok for my DD.

Also that my DD does NOT have wheat allergy. Shouldn't I trust that?

I never had yeast issues and don't now either. I don't even know what it means to have yeast issues or the symptoms.

Well, my personal belief is that docs are sources of information, and we can use their info, but decide what works best and/or feels comfortable for us. Same with info from mamas on this board.

I think you've had some good info here, and some of it disagrees with your doc. Only you can decide how to balance those.

For yeast, I thought you said you had antibiotics? That's a big risk factor for developing yeast issues. One way babes get their gut flora is from us through breastmilk - so imbalances in their gut flora (like yeast) can often point to our own gut imbalance issues. If you don't know the ways that can manifest, you might want to explore it at some point.

[Blessed_Mom]

Yesterday we went for her one-month updated appointment. My DD is 9.5 mo old now.

We had seen that she was coughing and sputtering to the CLO so mentioned this to the doc - she tested that with my daughter (muscle testing again) and confirmed that yes she was - probably the Orange flavoring. She asked me to take the medicine instead (tested both of us and said she won't react through me....kooky I tell ya).

Anyway - we stuck to her medicines (except CLO) and noticed one thing: My DD whose weight had stalled for 5 weeks prior to this last month grew a whole pound in this last month. She went from 15#4 to 16#3. That in itself is very satisfying to me....

Could be the L-glutamine. Or the combination of neonate, homeopathic candida treatment and Glutamine.... OR....maybe she was co-incidentally supposed to gain weight this last month after a stall of 5 weeks, I don't know.

She said her Soy and Corn allergies are as strong as ever. She said her dairy seems to be lessening :crazy

She changed her homeo medicine to Cleo Alb (Candida 5X - from 6X). Earlier they were San drops now these are Alb drops. The earlier said it was for treatment of "sore gums". This one specifically says "treatment of soreness from Candida yeast infection". Whatever..... we are switching.

This whole month I saw no yeast die-off. Doc said that was ok. No lessening of Eczema. Doc said that skin afflictions are the last to go and was ok with that too..... Again... I don't know what to think through this.

She said that her next appointment would be with a computer testing her for all allergies and giving her homeopathic drops with those allergens. I heard of this kind of testing before. Not sure what it is called. Everything is computer controlled.....so the muscle testing is done via a computer rather than relying on the doc's perception.

Any thoughts? Insights? Please....