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I just finished reading ‘Unconditional Parenting’, and while I agree with most of it and understand what not to do, I don't really understand what TO do.

One part I didn't understand was that the ‘natural consequences’ technique is not a good one? Could someone explain this? If ds spills something for example, the natural consequence is that his drink is gone, and he needs to clean up the mess. He goes and gets the rag and wipes the best he can, and I help him clean up the rest. Then he can refill his cup with water from the fridge. Why would that not be a good way to handle that?

What is the best way to explain this to someone without making them read the book?

I live with my parents, and my mom watches ds one ½ day a week when I go to college classes. My parents are very active grandparents in ds’s life! I also have an almost 21yr old sister, who loves ds very much and likes to do things with him when she visits (she is in school an hour away), BUT she also teases him a lot, tells him to do things that he knows he shouldn’t do and doesn’t do except when she is around (like stand on the table or fart on the dog… ).

My dad also gets annoyed with ds for some things, and often will say something like ‘if you don’t stop____ then we are going to have to figure out some kind of punishment’ or he tells ds ‘if you ____ then you need to go to your room’ . I need to give him some alternatives on what to say to ds.

A few things ds does:
- drinks everyone else’s water, even when he has his own (just pretty gross b/c backwashes, this one really bugs my dad)
- When he is mad, he tells us to ‘shut up’ (word he picked up from my sister)
- sometimes will throw a tantrum b/c we tell him he can't have something, usually a food item that he is allergic to, I think its because he KNOWS that he will have a reaction, but wants to eat it, so he gets very upset. He will say mean things like ‘I don’t love you’ (something we NEVER say to him)
- pretending to shoot/stab people and pointing things at people. He picked this up from DISNEY WORLD from the pirates of the Caribbean stuff. Before that he was never exposed to such violence, and after that ONE time he has been on about it ever sense. He does not watch TV. This one REALLY bothers me and I don’t want him to even pretend to use weapons.
- with other kids, sometimes he will hug them/hang on them, he isn’t trying to hurt them, but usually the other kid has a problem with it. He also shakes his fist at kids he is mad at (while telling them something), which usually the other kids mom thinks means ds is trying to punch their kid.
- when he has to go potty, he will say so, and then run away and try and make you chase him. (only happens at home, he has been using the potty sense he was 8months old. He still needs help getting onto the potty b/c he is so short!)

For the most part, ds is a VERY good kid, he is easy going, always has been its just a few things we need to work on…

Sorry that was long!
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As for specific what to do stuff, I'll tell you how I'd handle this stuff anyway. As an example of one parent.

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- drinks everyone else’s water, even when he has his own (just pretty gross b/c backwashes, this one really bugs my dad)
I'd just consistently block his hand from reaching other people's water until he stops. He's getting a reaction so this is fun for him.

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- When he is mad, he tells us to ‘shut up’ (word he picked up from my sister)
This is a problem with your sister more than him. He will say whatever is said to him and around him. If you don't want him to say shut up, the first issue is that the adults he lives with can't say it. Then say, "Those words hurt people's feelings" and give him an alternative. "Do you mean that you don't want to talk about it anymore? Because I'd rather you just said that. I don't like to hear people say 'Shut Up.'"

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- sometimes will throw a tantrum b/c we tell him he can't have something, usually a food item that he is allergic to, I think its because he KNOWS that he will have a reaction, but wants to eat it, so he gets very upset. He will say mean things like ‘I don’t love you’ (something we NEVER say to him)
He's frustrated over his allergies. I'd say, "I wish you could have XX. I wish you didn't have allergies." Empathize with him. That might be all he wants. also, kids sometimes say they don't love you when they just want to hear you say that you love them. "Well, I love you and I'll love you forever." "I don't love you" can mean a lot of things. "I want to hear you tell me you love me." "I'm really angry at you and that makes me scared about what anger does to our relatonship" (to which "well I love you" is also a good answer.) I would always answer it with "Well I love you."

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- pretending to shoot/stab people and pointing things at people. He picked this up from DISNEY WORLD from the pirates of the Caribbean stuff. Before that he was never exposed to such violence, and after that ONE time he has been on about it ever sense. He does not watch TV. This one REALLY bothers me and I don’t want him to even pretend to use weapons.
This is a losing battle IMO. It's normal, and natural, and in no way indicates that he is or will become violent. There's a lot of stuff written here at MDC about this. There's a good Mothering article about it, but I don't know where it is. Hopefully someone else will link to it. OK I went to find it after all. http://www.mothering.com/parenting/bang-bang-youre-dead I don't thnk it's fair to punish kids for being normal kids doing something normal kids do, even if we don't like what they're doing. I didn't like it when "butt" and "poop" found their way into every sentence that came out of my dd's mouth, but I understood that it was very normal and typical for kids that age and that she'd outgrow it. You can tell him you don't like it and try to work with him on playing other games, but that doesn't mean what he's doing is bad and worthy of punishment.

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- with other kids, sometimes he will hug them/hang on them, he isn’t trying to hurt them, but usually the other kid has a problem with it. He also shakes his fist at kids he is mad at (while telling them something), which usually the other kids mom thinks means ds is trying to punch their kid.
The first part sounds like he might be sensory-seeking. Does he have a lot of opportunities for messy outdoor type play? I would encourage other high sensory activities. The other part sounds like he needs to be taught other ways to express anger so he isn't misunderstood. "When you shake your fist, people think you might hit them. Can you think of another way to show you're angry where you won't be misunderstood?" That will take time to unlearn, though.

The natural consequences that Alfie Kohn is talking about are really punishments in disguise. "You were three minutes late again, so I left without you, so you had to walk home." Of if you could forsee something being a problem but didn't help your child becasue you wanted them to learn a lesson. "I saw you ignoring your homework. You don't have time to do your homework now. You should have done it earlier. Now you'll get in trouble at school." You should remain on your kid's side. A good way to look about it is what you'd do if it happened to someone else, like a friend. Would you remind a friend about homework? Would you wait an extra three minutes for a friend?

If something is spilled, then it has to be cleaned up, and it's reasonable to tell the child to do it. Not an issue where UP comes into play. If you punish if they refuse or something, then that would be outside the realm of UP.

If you are living with your parents, have you given them the authority to punish your ds? I would not allow my parents to threaten my child, but I am not in a position where I have to live with them. I don't know how you can handle that. It depends on the specific relationship. How would your dad react if you said, "Please don't threaten him."

In general, the idea is to not focus on the behavior, but instead think, "What is causing this behavior? Why is he doing/saying this?" Work on the why instead of the what.

One other thing. I recommend a book called "How To Talk so Kids Will Listen and How To Listen so Kids Will Talk". I think the author's last name is Faber.
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