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post #41 of 59
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Originally Posted by Louisep View Post
It's just a news report so you'll have to dig more up on it but there's some kind of varnish that can be applied and then the teeth are monitored. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8112603.stm

I almost didn't give you this because of the scary story at the end - please don't let it worry you!

Are Liam's teeth very bad? I wonder if they're causing pain and are contributing to the waking? He had been doing better at night right?

We night weaned early and it was easy and I think in part because I had started to do what you are doing.

Thanks for sharing that! I will talk with his ped on Monday about other options, because I really do not want him put under GA so young if we can just try and treat the decay.

His teeth are not very bad, we just noticed the cavities a couple weeks ago, they are just tiny hole/dents that are slightly discolored.

You can see his chipped tooth here and the cavity here (top of the tooth to our left).
post #42 of 59
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You can see his chipped tooth here and the cavity here (top of the tooth to our left).
Oh my goodness, Liam is such a sweet boy!! I couldn't really see the cavities. Let us know how your visit with the ped goes.
post #43 of 59
Okay, he has to be one of the cutest little boys I have ever seen!
post #44 of 59
Holy cute!
post #45 of 59
aside from the tooth issue (and yes, you´re little boy is truly beautiful) we have been working on the nightweaning for just over a couple weeks now - I am taking it slow, being more firm when I feel I can be, but trying to be sensitive to his needs and giving him some slack when I feel like it´s needed...

I am shocked and delighted to say that he is consistently going to sleep at night, initially, not only without nursing, but on his own in his bed - and happily! I didn´t think we would get to that point so quicky...I did the Dr. Sears (and maybe others) recommended technique of saying goodnight and encouraging them to relax and try to sleep, but saying i would be back in a few minutes to check on him - and making those intervals longer little by little...

the first night I went in and out 5 times and then decided to lie down with him, at which point he fell asleep instantly..the second night I went in and out 4 times - he would still start playing in his bed a couple times, but I just went in calmly and asked him to lie down so he could try to sleep again - he eventually fell asleep on his own...

the third night we had our nanny do it and she said he actually smiled and waved goodbye to her to signal it was time for her to leave the room - she said she went out 3 times before he eventually fell asleep...

the 4th night - I went in and out twice (and noticed he had stopped his tendency to play around in between my checking in) before he fell asleep

and last night I went out once and by the time I checked back in he was already asleep - I have been amazed and thrilled!

in between the first nights there were a couple times he was so exhausted and/or cranky and or completely off his rythm that I allowed him to nurse, not wanting to force it all on him right away...but now he seems to not even expect it and seems to be quite happy with this new routine...

that being said, he is on a more "free" schedule where we really try to wait until we know he is ready for bed, instead of forcing a bedtime on him every night - he doesn´t always nap anymore, but when he does, it is often later in the day and when he wakes up at 4, we know he will not be ready for bed until between 9 - 10 pm, so we still just go with the flow for now

as I suspected, the nightwaking to nurse has been a lot harder to deal with, although he´s done o.k. - sometimes it just seems too stressful on him and I let him nurse, not wanting to ruin the other aspects that are going great right now - I take it night by night, but I suppose that as more time passes, I´ll be more firm about that, as well - we´ll see how it goes, step by step...but I would say, overall, so far so good...

for me, I am finding patience, sensitivity and flexibility to be the keys in keeping this process moving forward in a positive direction...

I also had to - and have been able to wait until the 34 month mark - at 28-30 months, he just wasn´t able to handle it and neither was I, energy wise...

everybody really has to do what´s best for them in their own way

and I´m trying to get him in to the dentist for the first time this week
post #46 of 59
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Okay, he has to be one of the cutest little boys I have ever seen!
Thank you! We think so too..
post #47 of 59
Cavities on the front teeth of children so young usually results from them being bathed in breastmilk/formula. It's referred to as nursing bottle caries and doesn't often occur on the bottom teeth because of the way babies nurse; their tongues are usually covering them. Normally it is not easy to develop cavities on the front teeth. When any baby teeth develops a cavity, they get big fast because the enamel of baby teeth is thin and weak.

Calcium supplementation will do nothing to prevent/cure cavities. Xylitol wipes are a nice idea but not necessary -- all you have to do is brush/wipe the plaque off; you don't even have to use a fluoridated toothpaste, (or any toothpaste actually). Acid reflux doesn't cause cavities but can result in a more generalized wearing of the enamel.
post #48 of 59
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Acid reflux doesn't cause cavities but can result in a more generalized wearing of the enamel.
I never thought reflux CAUSED the cavities, but yes, that they wore down the enamel on his teeth. And we obviously need to do more than just brush his teeth, because that is what we've been doing and he has cavities. Thanks though.
post #49 of 59
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Maybe the relation is simply that our kiddos are sensitive to things? Or maybe there is some other connection as well.. hm.. something to think about!
Some indications are that sensitivities are related to poor gut flora, which could mean that the body doesn't have enough good bacteria to fight the bad bacteria.

But then, not all kids with food reactions have bad teeth, so here's square one again.
post #50 of 59
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Update

Well, I don't really have an update on the nightweaning yet, because we haven't started.. Part of me is really nervous, part of me is still hoping it resolves on its own. But, I am commited to starting after the dental procedure, which is scheduled for March 19th. We are also planning to transition him to his own bed and DH taking over nighttime with him....

..because....

I'M PREGNANT!!

Only 5.5 weeks, but we are so excited.
post #51 of 59
Congratulations!

I hadn't been in this thread before now. I was noticed that your son and my DD5 share teeth issues! Well, teeth issues that she had as a toddler, anyway. LOL I suppose she'll always have "teeth issues", though...she's got the bad teeth of the family, bless her. Anyway, she chipped her front tooth when she was a toddler. She also had several cavities. We got her cavities filled and her tooth filed down when she was 2.

She did nurse at night, but not a great deal. She was a pretty decent sleeper. My DS13 is the one that I had to night wean due non-stop night nursing. He had(and still has) great teeth. I used the Jay Gordon method with him, when he was about 2. I really didn't think it was going to work, but I was so desperate for sleep. It did work. Quite well, actually!

I will also say that having the dental work done at age 2 did not scare my DD off the dentist AT ALL. She loves the dentist. Seriously, she's actually said "I LOVE the dentist!" on more than one occasion. LOL And she has gotten upset when my sons had an appt, but she didn't. She's so funny.

I'm nervous to see how my youngest's teeth do. I had handled DD's teeth the exact same way that I did my son's teeth. But they had no problems, while she had a mouthful of problems! You just never can tell.

Congratulations again!
post #52 of 59
What wonderful news!! Congratulations.

Let us know how the teeth, the weaning, and the bed transition go. DS has been going through an okay patch and I'm wondering if he won't do better in his own space.
post #53 of 59
CONGRATS!!!! I'm so excited for you!!
post #54 of 59
Congratulations! I think it turned out that we started nightweaning DS (26 months) around the same time as I got pregnant - must have been something subliminal going on there!

We are now down to a short nursing before bed at 8pm, no nursing until 4am and then up around 6. The 4 to 6 session(s) is a killer as my boobs are hurting a lot. That's going to be the next target, maybe around Easter when I get over ther 1st trimester tiredness...!
post #55 of 59
update from me:

We had backtracked on the nightweaning (due to illness, etc.), but have just gotten back to going to sleep initially without nursing...the next step - again - is not waking up to nurse throughout the night, but DS´s first dentist appt. yesterday clinched it for me.

He has 10 - TEN - cavities or decalcifications that need work and the dentist had to refer us to another colleague because it will have to be an O.R. procedure and he doesn´t do those! I am so completely disappointed about this - I´m not sure if he will even be able to have it all done at once - we´ll see.

He has his appointment tomorrow and we will see what the Dr. says. The ONLY consollation in all this is that, although it´s going to really stink for now, at least they are baby teeth that will eventually fall out, but needless to say, we are DONE with the night nursing.

Luckily, I was pretty much on my way with it already, but this recent news just makes me a LOT more firm in my willingness/readiness to get back to it and do it. It is so unfortunate that something that has been so beneficial in so many ways, has been so detrimental in another way - but I should have known. I had pretty weak teeth growing up, so genetics hasn´t helped here...i just couldn´t believe it was SO much.

I just feel so badly that he has to go through it, but I keep trying to tell myself that it will pass and hopefully it won´t happen like this again - that we will take care of it and he is still generally a very healthy boy (I´m trying to focus on the positive here).

That being said, he is taking to going to sleep on his own well - he never went for stuffed animals or a blanket, but he likes to take his trucks to bed with him now - his trucks are his transitional objects :-) I tell him his trucks are tired, too, after a long day and he can help them go to sleep, too. It´s very cute. We kiss each other goodnight and I go out, checking periodically, and he falls asleep peacefully...so i am thankful for that. We´ll see how the next bit goes, once again - it will be more difficult, but I know we will get there.
post #56 of 59
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Uuuuupdate

So, I finally began the nightweaning process! And it is going MUCH better than I expected. I'm sort of doing a modified Jay Gordon.... I haven't gotten to the "no nursing at night period" point, but I only let him nurse for about 30-60 seconds and then tell him we are all finished. The first couple times he cried and I rubbed his back and he went to sleep. Now, about 50% of the time he just rolls over and goes back to sleep with no fuss! And, he has been consistently sleeping 5 HOUR STRETCHES!! almost every night! Last night he even had a SEVEN hour stretch!!!!!! My milk is pretty much dried up from my pregnancy (not that DS seems to mind at all..) and it is very uncomfortable to nurse, so that has given me a lot of motivation. That and I am having a really hard time going back to sleep when he wakes me up. Starting in the next couple weeks we are moving him to his own bed and having DH take over nighttime.

Just wanted to share some progress!!
post #57 of 59


WAY TO GO LIAM!!!!!!!



post #58 of 59
Catie, I am so happy for you! And Liam! And baby #2 who needs a healthy, well rested mama in order to grow.
post #59 of 59
This is such good news!!

Keep it up Liam!!
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