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Betaine HCL supplementation

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi! *wave* its been awhile since I've visited MDC! : ) Good to be back!

So recently I have been looking into supplementation. For a while, when I first started eating TF (I actually eat a primal/paleo diet now, a la marksdailyapple.com and paleonu.com) I cut out all supplements because I felt I could get all the vitamins/minerals I needed from my food. However, now I've been noticing there are a few exceptions! Dr. Harris of the PaNu blog puts it as "replacement rather than supplementation"--basically replacing something that you WOULD be getting naturally if you lived in an ideal environment. So I'm taking Vit. D3 now (we dont get enough sunlight nowadays) and Magnesium Citrate (we used to get it by drinking spring and well water, city water doesn't have enough and there are really no super-good food sources of it) and Omega-3 fish oil whenever I eat conventionally raised meat (too high in Omega-6. Normally I eat grass-fed, where the ratios are OK).
Last but not least, I have begun looking into Betaine HCL, becuase I have a bunch of symptoms that point to possible low stomach acid. Sometimes after a meal, I will feel short of breath and most times I will cough a lot and have to clear my throat, and burp a lot and sometimes feel nauseous and sometimes have bad breath. I'm guessing that I have some nutrient absorbtion problems becuase I was having Mg. deficinecy symptoms before I started supplementing. All these can be symptoms of acid reflux from what I've read, which is actually commonly caused by low stomach acid causing the sphincter to not close tightly enough.
I've started supplementing but only sporadically becuase I tend to forget to take them until I'm done eating and then its too late! I've gone up to 3 capsules, but I don't recall feeling much of a "warm" feeling in my stomach--its hard to tell! Is it really obvious? Does anyone here supplement with Betaine HCL? How many do you take, and what brand? When do you take them--in the beginning of the meal, or the middle? I've been using Twinlab--I think they're 600-something mg each.
I'm going to try the baking soda test tomorrow morning--1tsp baking soda in 8oz of water, drink it when you first wake up and if you don't burp, you don't have enough stomach acid.
thanks in advance!!
post #2 of 18
i found a really interesting viewpoint on reflux at the wapf site. its here- http://www.westonaprice.org/Eat-Righ...r-D-Adamo.html in the thumbs down review of "eat right for your blood type" diet book.

yes, your symptoms sound like gerd. my dh suffers from this and has since childhood. dr thomas cowan, wapf-er himself, states here http://fourfoldhealing.com/2007/11/0...flux-disease/- that folks w/gerd need to eat mostly fat and protien.

however, the annoying thing is, if your stomach acid is deficient, you actually may be repulsed by these needed foods as you can't digest them well due to your deficiency. im under the impression that some inexpensive apple cider vinegar will do prettymuch the same thing as pills of hcl, if not more.

here's a quote from the first referenced article, the reviewer offers a few suggestions, including gelatin in gravey for aiding assimilation of protien and fat:

"Few people today, however, can boast fully functioning digestive systems. Two health problems that have undoubtedly contributed to the ability of food lectins to slip uninvited into the bloodstream are: widespread hydrochloric acid (HCl) and trypsin deficiencies, which make it difficult for people to properly digest protein..."

Dr Cowan cites a study which found vlc (very low carb alla www.paleonu.com) diet cured symptoms of gerd-

"Much to their amazement they report that in spite of continuing to smoke, drink coffee, and other GERD-unfriendly habits, in each case the symptoms of GERD were completely eliminated within one week of adopting a very low-carbohydrate diet (about 20 grams per day.) The patients were able to stop all antacids and prescription stomach medicines and this improvement continued even after they liberalized their carbohydrate intake to a more tolerable 70 gram per day."
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Wow, thank you so much organicmidwestmama!!! I really appriciate all the info--I'm off to go browse through it all! : )
I'll definitly look into using ACV instead of the betaine HCL--but I think I remember reading somewhere that the pH of ACV was not quite as acidic as something like lemon juice or betaine HCL. However, it WOULD be more affordable!
I have expierience low stomach acid making me not want to eat protien and fat--most of my life all I ate was grains/cereal/carbs and lots of skim milk! UGH! I hated meat and anything fatty--now I know why! Since starting paleo/primal eating, I have developed more of a taste for meat and fat, and I do eat pretty low carb (carbs are manily from lettuces, veggies, a little 85%-90% dk. chocolate, nuts/seeds, and occasional berries--I don't count but I aim to stay under 70g or so per day). Now I just gotta get these digestion issues resolved!!! I'll update this thread with my progress, so hopefully it can help others with the same problems.
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post #5 of 18
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Thank you Toolip! That thread was very helpful!
post #6 of 18
If you suspect you have low stomach acid then I would consider adding more zinc into your diet. Low zinc causes low stomach acid. Do you get stretch marks easily? do you have white spots on you fingernails? those are signs of low zinc.
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
No, I don't have any stretch marks, but I USUALLY have white spots on my nails--but I just looked and I don't have any right now!? that's odd...however I do have ridges (both vertical and horizontal) in my nails--I've heard that can be a sign of low stomach acid as well, I think?
What would be good to eat to get more zinc? For some reason I'm thinking oysters...?
Does anybody here know about using lemon juice or ACV instead of the betaine HCL capsules? I'm just worried about it not being strong enough--I took 3 today and *think* I might have felt a little warmth in my stomach, so I'm going to use two, which I believe is around 1200mg (I think mine are 600mg each--twinlab brand). I wonder what that translates to in ACV or lemon?
post #8 of 18
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*Update!
I tried 2 TBSP of apple cider vinegar, mixed with a little water today instead of the betaine HCL capsules. I drank it after eating the first couple bites of my meal ("meatzza" and spaghetti squash with ghee, s&p, and tarragon, with green tea to drink) and afterwards I actually felt like I was digesting better than when I took the HCL! My stomach felt plesantly warm-ish, and I burped maybe a couple times, just a bit, and didn't feel any shortness of breath or over-fullness. Now a few hours later, I feel like my food is digested and my stomach is comfortable. I don't know if anyone else gets this, but it really seems I can tell when I'm digesting my food properly--I just have a general feeling of well-being, being comfortable in the GI area, and it just feels like everything is working smoothly. YAY!!! I'm going to keep this up and hope it keeps working!! wooo-hoo!!!
post #9 of 18
How's the ACV working? I take 1/2 a Betaine HCL in the middle of lunch and dinner since my stomach acid seems to be lowered from my hypothyroid. I love Panu and read all the posts there...
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by Brookesmom View Post
How's the ACV working? I take 1/2 a Betaine HCL in the middle of lunch and dinner since my stomach acid seems to be lowered from my hypothyroid. I love Panu and read all the posts there...
my hubby has been taking acv rather then the meds he used to need and doesnt experience any gerd i love dr. harris's info too, brooksmom, im so thankful there's a doc out there who actually has an understanding of real nutrition
post #11 of 18
I'm very curious about this. after a long ime dealing with a lot of digestive issues I think I've figured that one reason I'm not healing as well as I had hoped after being bout with celiac (before I was GF of course!) is b/c of low stomach acid. I'm upped my intake of zinc... but I'm still needing something more. I tried vinegar but I have a allergy to fructose (which ACV is obviously very high in) so it makes me much worse instead of better. popping anti-acids obviously makes things worse instead of better (though I feel better for a couple of minutes usually).... so I'm thinking of getting the HCL supplement. atleast to get things started... my question is do I need to get it from a holistic person or can I buy it at the natural stores? I know they have some kinds, bu i wasn't sure if they were any good.

and last but no least, can someone direct me to some tred and true info on HCL supplementing? I wanna get a better idea on where/why/how before I just start popping some pills!
post #12 of 18
Hennypenny, have your tried Bragg's raw ACV? Are you specifically allergic to all fructose, or is it the corn derived? How did you determine the allergy? I'm not doubting, just thought something might click
post #13 of 18
i'm allergic to naturally occuring fructose. naking, sorry.
post #14 of 18
I've ha this since I was a child. I'ms till hoping one day I will figure out how to handle fructose without the reaction. I've tried everything I can think of but there isn't a lot of study on it that I've found. anything with naturally occuring fructose (raw fruits, veggies, raw honey ect. makes me very ill. stomach pains, headache, shakey, low blood sugar, itchy all over... and just terrible for hours and hours. ever since I was a child. everyone always says ot eat fruits for fruit enzymes but that isn't an option for me.

anyhow, it doesn't matter what typoe of ACV they all naturally have fructose. so... I'm hoping a HLC sup would help.
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by HennyPenny View Post
I'm very curious about this. after a long ime dealing with a lot of digestive issues I think I've figured that one reason I'm not healing as well as I had hoped after being bout with celiac (before I was GF of course!) is b/c of low stomach acid. I'm upped my intake of zinc... but I'm still needing something more. I tried vinegar but I have a allergy to fructose (which ACV is obviously very high in) so it makes me much worse instead of better. popping anti-acids obviously makes things worse instead of better (though I feel better for a couple of minutes usually).... so I'm thinking of getting the HCL supplement. atleast to get things started... my question is do I need to get it from a holistic person or can I buy it at the natural stores? I know they have some kinds, bu i wasn't sure if they were any good.

and last but no least, can someone direct me to some tred and true info on HCL supplementing? I wanna get a better idea on where/why/how before I just start popping some pills!
i thought, due to the fermentation of ACV, it didnt have a measureable amount of carbs/fructose. just curious now about this. i know balsalmic vinegar does have sugar/fructose but thought acv and coconut vinegar does not, at least thats what the nutrition data
on the back of my jar says!
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post #16 of 18
hmm... that's interesting! I don't know what to say about that one.... I can only say my body reacts to it big time. I have to go with what my body says over what a label says.
post #17 of 18
maybe I will give it a try one more time but I don't have high hopes. I don[t even both keeping raw ACV around b/c I don't use it so It will have ot wait til I make it out to the store again... and when my husband can take over the parenting in case I have a reaction to it. (it leaves me unable to function at all)
post #18 of 18
I have reflux and gallbladder issues, and prior to trying ACV and a low carb (grain free) diet I was miserable. I totally swear by raw ACV! My gallbladder was making me so miserable I actually considered having it out and my reflux required me to take pepcid and antacids daily. I'm totally med free now
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