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post #61 of 107
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Originally Posted by dachshund mom View Post
But quite a few newer model convertible seats are designed to fit infants, are marketed as fitting infants, and DO fit infants perfectly. I don't see why the fact that different styles of convertibles have different weight minimums is a valid reason that you must get a bucket.
oh, I'm not saying one has to buy a bucket... But I might recommend one b/c besides ease of use ALL infant seats fit newborns, whereas only some convertibles do. Makes it easier for someone who doesn't know much about car seats. Heck, even here you'll read in DDC's about moms-to-be buying a Britax convertible that way they don't waste money buying two seats. In this case, it would be money well spent.
post #62 of 107
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Originally Posted by dachshund mom View Post
But quite a few newer model convertible seats are designed to fit infants, are marketed as fitting infants, and DO fit infants perfectly. I don't see why the fact that different styles of convertibles have different weight minimums is a valid reason that you must get a bucket.
Many convertibles are certainly marketed as fitting infants/newborns, but often even the lowest harness slot is placed far too high to be used safely with smaller infants.(Not sure if I can link to discussions on the carseat safety boards here, but google around and it's pretty easy to find this issue discussed quite a bit.) I know we tried putting our barely 6 lb. 37-week olds into their Britax convertibles for curiosity sake and they were way too tiny to fit. In fact my smaller twin was still small enough to fit into his Snugride infant seat until he was somewhere around 16 months old.

It really just depends on the baby, I suppose, but I also fall into the camp that the villification of infant carseats in and of themselves is often uncalled for.
post #63 of 107
We had a convertible seat with DS and were pretty close to be prohibited from leaving the hospital. He was too small for it, and we had to buy a bucket seat for him to fit.
post #64 of 107
I loved my bucket. If DD was sleeping I was not going to wake her up to sling her or bring her in the house. She never, ever went back to sleep after being taken out of the seat so we just kept her in it so she'd get her sleep.
post #65 of 107
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Originally Posted by GoBecGo View Post
Aw, wait a minute, LOOK how comfy this mama looks!

http://www.twinkleandwhimsy.com/flyi...rierstrap.aspx

And, she looks so organized and pulled together! I think that is the answer to all my problems.

I was going to say, I don't like using the bucket seats because they are so heavy.... but, obviously, I was wrong... she's a tiny thing and has no problem hefting that thing around.
post #66 of 107
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post
Because some folks get a nice, warm, self-righteous glow from using "bucket" negatively. It's a way of separating themselves (sling-wearing, natural good parents) from those folks they spot at the mall not-wearing their babies. You can tell so much about whether a parent is good or bad or attached to their child simply by the accoutrements used for carrying! And it only takes a minute. Doncha know.


That said ... I used the term "bucket" even though I used bucket carseats with my kids.
post #67 of 107
It's a bucket because it functions similarly to a bucket and has a handle to be carried like a bucket. I had heard the term often long before discovering MDC or even contemplating parenting styles.

I almost didn't buy one, but did for the sole purpose of eating out. I know some people claim to wear their babies while eating out, but I personally think they are nuts!! She hung out in the bucket if she felt like it, or got held on our laps if she got fussy in there. That lasted 6 months and now she is thrilled to be sitting in a high chair at the table like a big girl.

We also used it a few times for shopping (IN the cart, not on it!) in her first few weeks - I didn't try to sling her until she was 6 weeks old.

Another really nice use, that I hadn't thought of before, is that if you live in a very hot climate, and have a summer baby, the carseat can be brought into the house when not in use. Because if I didn't do that, she would either suffer very real burns on her body or we would end up cooling down the car for 10-15 minutes every time we got in. Not cool - already not looking forward to the summer in the convertible - sigh.
post #68 of 107
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post
Because some folks get a nice, warm, self-righteous glow from using "bucket" negatively. It's a way of separating themselves (sling-wearing, natural good parents) from those folks they spot at the mall not-wearing their babies. You can tell so much about whether a parent is good or bad or attached to their child simply by the accoutrements used for carrying! And it only takes a minute. Doncha know.
Yep!

I have a 3.5 yr old, 22 month old and a 4 week old. I have a billion slings, mei tais, and wraps. But its frickin' COLD out here right now. I'm not going to sit outside and get my freezing baby into a wrap to run into a store for 10 min. when he's sleeping and warm and snuggly. I was also told that because he was preterm its not a good idea for his carseat to get cold, then to put him in it, at least for a bit longer.

yeah, it's a pain in the ass to carry, but at least nobody is screaming and cold. When it warms up we'll be back to baby wearing outside of the home.
post #69 of 107
I didn't realize bucket had a negative connotation? I just thought it's a quicker way of saying infant car seat...
We have a Maxi Cosi Mico because it is super safe for those tiny infants. DS was born below 6 pounds and a bucket was much safer for him (and even the bucket seemed huge). I wasn't allowed to carry it for the first 6 weeks anyways cause of my blood loss.
I didn't like him being in there longer than necessary as it is a semi-reclined position, and being carried or being flat on the back is much safer for newborns. I have a stroller, but it is completely flat (newborn attachment, it's a Teutonia). I didn't get a good sling until he was about 8 weeks old. The ring sling never worked for me, the MaiTei though was wonderful. I never took him out of the bucket though if he was sleeping - instead I put the bucket into the shopping cart (not on top, that's not safe). I didn't want to wake him up. If he was awake, I maitei-ed him.
I think the bucket is quite heavy but has its uses. I think what people criticize is how many babies never spend time being held, and I have seen those kids in real life. It is sad cause they rarely get cuddled. And I do hate seeing the buckets on top of shopping carts, at least my bucket's manual said to never ever do that, but people don't read the manuals I guess. What rather ticks me off is seeing how they are improperly installed or not used properly (I see it a lot around here that people put babies in the bucket but don't buckle baby up (!) and even forward-facing buckets.
DS outgrew the bucket a week shy of 4 months of age.... Oh and I wanted to add I have to go to the store with him - or we would have nothing to eat in the house. DH works and why shouldn't I take the baby to do the shopping?
post #70 of 107
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Originally Posted by KaylaBeanie View Post
We actually talked about this in Anthropology today! We were comparing and contrasting the parenting techniques of America and a bushman tribe in South Africa. An American baby spends less than 20% of the day in physical contact with it's mother, and this is because of all the nifty travel systems we have. Put baby in the bucket seat while you pee/grab a snack/grab the diaper bag, snap it in the car, arrive at the mall, put bucket into stroller, shop. The only time baby will be picked up is for a diaper change or maybe to be fed. The babies in this tribe are in physical contact with the mom over 70% of the day. Obviously we lead a very different lifestyle than that of a remote tribe, but it would be foolish to say that things like buckets, car seats, swings, etc. are not greatly overused by many, many people.
I started wondering A LOT about this after DS was born. I carried him a lot, we coslept, etc... We also used a "bucket", but what really got me questioning the "rightness" of tribal cultures constant wearing of children was that DS DID NOT WANT TO BE WORN all the time. I got to wondering, what if a baby in a tribal culture didn't want to be worn while mama went to get water from the pond? TOO BAD! What if the baby didn't want to be worn three miles to the vegetable market? TOO BAD! Those were my thoughts, anyway. I just wonder why we have to hold up a completely different lifestyle as the gold standard when there may be drawbacks there as well. It's just something I've been thinking about.

But I guess I'm going off topic here. I can tell you I have seen abuse of bucket seats - BIL's new baby was left in it all the time and fed all foods from formula to mashed solids in a bottle. All the time. No kidding. I'm willing to bet most people who use buckets don't do that.
post #71 of 107
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Originally Posted by texmati View Post
Fake arm? Link please!!!!

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post #72 of 107
Never used one – I've had a convertible in the car since day 1 and use a carrier – and I was really glad when I read this:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/article969948.ece
post #73 of 107
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Originally Posted by jeanine123 View Post
That thing is freaky.
post #74 of 107
I havent read all the replies, just want to put in my .02.

Both of my children were born in colder months. I went back to work both times in the dead of winter (Didnt leave the house much with either of them before 6 weeks of age because the weather was so cold and nasty) I had to cart them to daycare in the wee hours of the morning 5 days a week. Sometimes I had to pick them up and then run to the grocery store on the way home, by myself. The bucket was mere convenience AND it helped keep them all nice and snuggly warm while I had to take them in and out of the car, in and out of the store, and in and out of the house.

I think the association of kids who are left in buckets seats/jumpers (I used those too)/walkers with bottles propped in their mouths has NOTHING to do with the aparatas, and everything to do with the parent utilizing the aparatus in a way that it was NOT intended for. When you buy these things, their are stickers right on the side of them that say to NOT put the seat on the top part of the shopping cart, DONT leave a child sleeping in it, and EVERYONE knows not to prop a bottle in a babys mouth.

And FTR, I cuddled both my kids ridiculously when they were small enough for bucket seats, and still do.
post #75 of 107
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Originally Posted by possum View Post
That thing is freaky.
I can see how they would be useful in the NICU when baby isn't being held.
post #76 of 107
I have to admit, as a carless mama, I loved my bucket seat. I WOH doing childcare for my sister's kids so I bring DS with me. If I walked him there in the travel system then I had a carseat with me so if it was raining or snowing badly and windy when it was time to leave I could easily have BIL give us a ride home. Same thing with shopping, if I knew I was going to be buying something really heavy or awkward I could walk there with the travel system and know that I could just grab a cab home. I miss having that ability now that he's too big for the bucket. I can't just run out and get what I need during the day by myself anymore, I need to plan ahead and arrange to run errands when DS can stay home with DH or arrange for someone with a car to give us a ride.

I never saw bucket as a negative term though, the infant seat always reminded me of a bucket anyway since it had a handle.
post #77 of 107
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Originally Posted by nia82 View Post
(I see it a lot around here that people put babies in the bucket but don't buckle baby up (!)
We actually did that once with dd1. DH put her in the bucket, and was also dealing with something else. We drove up the hill to my mom's, and went to get her out...and she wasn't done up. We were both just like "OMG". That's never happened again, though.
post #78 of 107
I call them buckets because they are buckets. Molded plastic in a shape that can carry something, with a handle.


I'm also in the camp of "how on earth is this a convenience". I carried DS in it once to get the mail (I was pulled right up to the curb, the mailbox was 2 steps away, but I got all paranoid one day), DH carried DS in it once for some reason, and that was enough! One day we did take DS and the bucket into a little restaurant, but felt horrible, with DS basically sitting on the floor while we ate waffles. Oh and it was brought in to another restaurant, and they brought out those carseat "sling" things that we put it on...that was...interesting. And really unsafe feeling.

And that's about it! He outgrew it by height before 4 months. It was never a problem to pull him out and carry him into home or the store or whatever; he fell asleep almost immediately being carried, and if he didn't fall asleep, then he wasn't asleep enough to deal with being banged around.

OH, and the grocery cart thing...several grocery store employees have told me that they started installing their own infant seats b/c they were seeing so many accidents with buckets clipped on. That their seats are safer than what was happening with clipped buckets.
post #79 of 107
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Originally Posted by gcgirl View Post
I started wondering A LOT about this after DS was born. I carried him a lot, we coslept, etc... We also used a "bucket", but what really got me questioning the "rightness" of tribal cultures constant wearing of children was that DS DID NOT WANT TO BE WORN all the time. I got to wondering, what if a baby in a tribal culture didn't want to be worn while mama went to get water from the pond? TOO BAD! What if the baby didn't want to be worn three miles to the vegetable market? TOO BAD! Those were my thoughts, anyway. I just wonder why we have to hold up a completely different lifestyle as the gold standard when there may be drawbacks there as well. It's just something I've been thinking about.
My only caveat on that would be were you outdoors and walking the whole time he didn't want to be worn? Lina despised the sling for a long time unless I popped her in and went right out for a walk. Then she'd settle right down and would be content as I did other things, including bending over or sitting at the computer.
post #80 of 107
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
My only caveat on that would be were you outdoors and walking the whole time he didn't want to be worn? Lina despised the sling for a long time unless I popped her in and went right out for a walk. Then she'd settle right down and would be content as I did other things, including bending over or sitting at the computer.
DD1 was more likely to be okay with being worn if we were hiking, but it didn't carry over. We could wear her to hike, or sometimes go for other walks, but once we were done, she wanted out now.
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