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post #81 of 107
2/25/10 at 2:22am
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Originally Posted by *Aimee* View Post
I was also told that because he was preterm its not a good idea for his carseat to get cold, then to put him in it, at least for a bit longer.
Plus, he would've been less likely to fit in a convertible seat at birth, and they're harder to get reclined really well.

I don't see people criticizing parents of happy snuggly babies, I see people criticizing parents who leave the baby screaming in the carseat in the store for a whole shopping trip or who bottle prop (just one baby, two parents, not 2 babies one parent, or 3 babies or anything that would make bottle propping be plausibly necessary) or otherwise do things that the vast majority of people who use the infant seats as carriers would never even think of doing.
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post #82 of 107
2/25/10 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by GoBecGo View Post
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post #83 of 107
2/25/10 at 2:29am
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Originally Posted by Sk8ermaiden View Post
I almost didn't buy one, but did for the sole purpose of eating out. I know some people claim to wear their babies while eating out, but I personally think they are nuts!! She hung out in the bucket if she felt like it, or got held on our laps if she got fussy in there. That lasted 6 months and now she is thrilled to be sitting in a high chair at the table like a big girl.

Not cool - already not looking forward to the summer in the convertible - sigh.
For the first one, yeah, eating out was when I was tempted to get some sort of seat thingy to set her in. Maybe she wouldn't have nursed for most of our meals out if she hadn't been right up on me.

Put a blanket over the seat when it's empty, it makes a huge difference. Also, just wiping them with cold water if you've forgotten to use the blanket will get them cooled down quickly. This coming summer, I'm going to keep some damp washcloths in the freezer so we can run back in and grab one if we need to cool her seat quickly.
post #84 of 107
2/25/10 at 2:35am
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Originally Posted by scottishmommy View Post
I haven't read all the posts but I just wanted to warn people not to carry their babies around in these. My dh and I used to bundle baby up in a bucket seat during the winter and he threw his back out big time. After that we always just picked her up out of the car seat. No more back problems! Also, these things are not safe on top of grocery carts. I have a friend whose baby fractured her skull falling out of a grocery cart in one of these. Use a moby wrap or ergo for grocery shopping.
YES! While shopping in target, I had brought #2 who was 4 and #4 who was newborn with me. #2 was climbing on the side of the cart.and before I could stop him, he toppled the cart over, bucket and all. The car seat went flying, and landed on it's side. Thank goodness #4 was in my sling! I had brought her in the seat because it was cold and raining...and took baby out once in the store. If she had been in the bucket, who knows how much damage it could have done to her poor little body? I was SO thankful I had her in a sling.

Also I had an easier time of it shopping, easy access to nurse, babe was warm and all snugly I found it was WAY easier than when I had my first babe, and thought slings were only things you see on the National Geographic Channel (hey, I was 19 and very naive.) #s 2, 3, and 4 were all carried in some sort of carrier most of the time, even at home, unless baby was physically in my arms They are very independent and well adjusted, in spite of that I was going to "spoil" them so most of my family said.
post #85 of 107
2/25/10 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
My only caveat on that would be were you outdoors and walking the whole time he didn't want to be worn? Lina despised the sling for a long time unless I popped her in and went right out for a walk. Then she'd settle right down and would be content as I did other things, including bending over or sitting at the computer.
Oh, we used it for a lot of different things. He would generally tolerate it for a while (while walking, doing yardwork, chores around the house, just cuddling), but when he was DONE, he was DONE.
post #86 of 107
2/26/10 at 12:16am
I think the only parents being viewed negatively are those leaving screaming babies in them for long periods of time in a store or restaurant.

I was in a Target and saw a child climbing up on top of a bucket with a baby in it while mom was totally oblivious by some clothes. When I pointed it out to her, she said "Oh, they're just rambunctious kids!" with a big smile.

Another mom I saw with one perched on a cart didn't have it set on properly. It was wobbling back and forth as she pushed the cart. Her baby could only have been a few weeks old, and sleeping. I mentioned that it didn't look steady and she moved it to try to fix it. Baby stirred, and she said, "I just don't want to wake him". I totally understand why you wouldn't want him to wake up, but that thing looked like it was going to fall.

I have used mine in stores or restaurants if DD was asleep. I have carpal tunnel though and they are a nightmare to carry. I do miss being able to bring her inside asleep, but she's old enough to transfer at this point without waking too much. I never was that lucky with DS.

post #87 of 107
2/26/10 at 12:30am
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Originally Posted by InMediasRes View Post
I think the only parents being viewed negatively are those leaving screaming babies in them for long periods of time in a store or restaurant.

I was in a Target and saw a child climbing up on top of a bucket with a baby in it while mom was totally oblivious by some clothes. When I pointed it out to her, she said "Oh, they're just rambunctious kids!" with a big smile.

Another mom I saw with one perched on a cart didn't have it set on properly. It was wobbling back and forth as she pushed the cart. Her baby could only have been a few weeks old, and sleeping. I mentioned that it didn't look steady and she moved it to try to fix it. Baby stirred, and she said, "I just don't want to wake him". I totally understand why you wouldn't want him to wake up, but that thing looked like it was going to fall.

I have used mine in stores or restaurants if DD was asleep. I have carpal tunnel though and they are a nightmare to carry. I do miss being able to bring her inside asleep, but she's old enough to transfer at this point without waking too much. I never was that lucky with DS.
Yes, this and also I have seen them used in creepier ways.

For example, we were at Olive Garden one time when a little baby in a bucket started crying. The dad picked the carrier up, put it on his lap and started bottlefeeding the baby.

Another time a mom pushed the baby in the bucket under the pew. She saw some stares and whispered that if he couldn't see her, he'd stop crying.

post #88 of 107
2/26/10 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by GoBecGo View Post
I think people don't like them partly because they aren't great for the babe (seem to remember being told they inhibit breathing if the kid is in them for too long) but mainly because they mean the baby isn't being carried in arms, just carted about in the plastic seat.

I personally know a few kids whose day went

crib-bouncer (prop fed a bottle in bouncer)-moses basket (for nap)-car bucket-bouncer (prop fed another bottle)-moses basket-swing-bouncer (prop fed)-bath-crib

They were literally NEVER held, carried or cuddled. And for a 2 week old that is really really sad (to me anyway).
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Originally Posted by ann_of_loxley View Post


And - have you actually carried a baby in one?...Whenever I see someone carrying a baby around in one trying to do shopping, etc... I want to tell them about he wonderful world of slings! lol
I would hate to think that because I put a bucket in the shopping cart when the kiddos were too small to sit up in the seat in the basket, people thought I was clueless, or ignorant, or cold to my child. Carries HURT my body. I've tried a wide range of carries and while some are better than other, they were all painful. I have chronic pain that goes along with chronic illness and while I may look fairly able bodied I'm in a good deal of pain just carrying my own weight around. Both of my kids are free range around the house beside ds when he is sleeping (happy to sleep in his crib with no crying or fussing) and having used buckets I can say that they were in no way a reflection of my parenting style. They were a means to allow me the ability to interact with my kids rather than being consumed with pain.

My kids spent shopping cart time in buckets when they were wee but were never short of cuddles and contact. At almost 15 months old, ds spends a great deal of time in my arms, relaxing with me on the couch, BFing, and being showered with hugs and kisses... but you won't catch me carrying him through a store if there is a shopping cart in reach and he is content in it. Over time that would mean I'd loose the ability to be so close with him at home where it is less taxing on my body and ultimatly more important as most our my time is spent there.

Keep in mind that the generalizations about people who use or have used buckets can easily be dead wrong... and quite judegmental.

ETA: and if you're (not referring to those quoted above but, to a couple others in this thread) worried about the safety of babies in buckets falling over in shopping carts then you shouldn't be putting them in your CAR... in any kind of seat. Imagine what happens to baby when your car topples over! If we're going to nitpick about safety then you'd have to keep them away from the most dangerous, biggest safety threat there is... DRIVING! Most of us aren't willing to do that so it's probably best we don't throw stones.
post #89 of 107
2/26/10 at 4:55pm
It is fine to put carseats in the MAIN basket of a shopping cart. Just not in the top basket. The reason it is "OK" to put the carseat in the car and not the top basket of the shopping cart, is even though a car toppling over would obviously be dangerous, the carseat won't cause the car to topple over on its own. But a carseat on the top basket of a shopping cart can make the shopping cart topple over just by its own weight. So yes, when I see someone with a carseat in the top basket of the shopping cart, I think they are ignorant of that specific piece of information, even though they may be extremely knowledgeable about everything else. (I know several mothers who are experts on all sorts of things but ignorant of a few safety issues. I'm sure there is something I am ignorant of, too.)
post #90 of 107
2/26/10 at 9:17pm
DD2 hated being worn with an undying passion. The bucket on the other hand, made her happy. So my choice was to put the baby in the sling and let her scream and fight through the shopping trip, or leave her in the bucket where she would be either sleeping or looking around happily. Everyone always acts like slings are the answer to all baby problems, but I never found that to be true. Both my girls, dd2 especially, really preferred being in the bucket while we were shopping.

As for the person who asked how slings could be over used, I don't know how many times I've heard people on various message boards talk about forcing their baby/toddler into a sling just because it was more convienient for the mom. I've even seen people say that they knew their toddler preferred riding in a stroller, but THEY didn't like the way it looked, so the child was forced to unhappily be in a sling. I think that sometimes people forget that being AP is about listening to your child, not checking off a check list of crunchy ideals.
post #91 of 107
2/26/10 at 10:13pm
I used a bucket seat with my nephews and I hated them so much. They made the baby weigh at least twice as much as he would have otherwise, plus I always ended up bruised up and down my side. So I was already against them before I had a kid. Then I found out about slings when I was 18 and decided they were for me and have used that instead of a bucket seat to carry my son around.
Although I live in a cold climate, we used a convertible car seat and just bundled him up before putting him in it, then unbundled him insidethe store and wore him in the sling. As a disclaimer, I only had the one kid and my husband came with me most of the time. I'm curious to find out what kind of system we'll develop when I have two kids, especially since DH doesn't go grocery shopping with me anymore.
For myself, I would not buy a bucket seat just because the temptation to just leave the baby in there is too great, especially when they're sleeping and despite the risks. If you have a convertible, you have to take them out. It did mess up quite a few naps and was kind of annoying, but eh. We lived.
post #92 of 107
2/27/10 at 2:51am
hmm...I have a 10 yo, a 6 yo, and a 3 yo. I held, played talked with them all of the time at home and I had two kids who were happy to spend and hour a day in their carseat, bucket, whatever you want to call it when we were out...if makes me laugh to think people on here might be criticizing that as un-ap when right now the both of them are asleep in my bed because we still co-sleep. lol.

Anyway, one of my kids hated it (the carseat/bucket) and hated the sling and I just didn't go out for a few years....one of my kids liked the bucket and hated the sling - should I have forced him into it?

so silly - maybe we should all just focus a bit more on what we need in target and get home to play with/read to our kids rather that criticizing the other parents who we don't really know. just an idea.
post #93 of 107
2/27/10 at 4:03am
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Originally Posted by felix23 View Post
DD2 hated being worn with an undying passion. The bucket on the other hand, made her happy. So my choice was to put the baby in the sling and let her scream and fight through the shopping trip, or leave her in the bucket where she would be either sleeping or looking around happily. Everyone always acts like slings are the answer to all baby problems, but I never found that to be true. Both my girls, dd2 especially, really preferred being in the bucket while we were shopping.

As for the person who asked how slings could be over used, I don't know how many times I've heard people on various message boards talk about forcing their baby/toddler into a sling just because it was more convienient for the mom. I've even seen people say that they knew their toddler preferred riding in a stroller, but THEY didn't like the way it looked, so the child was forced to unhappily be in a sling. I think that sometimes people forget that being AP is about listening to your child, not checking off a check list of crunchy ideals.
Thank you! I think this point is missed quite a bit!
post #94 of 107
2/27/10 at 10:51am
I found the bucket seat useful for when the car was freezing cold and I could get my babe situated inside in a warm seat wtih a blanket and put the whole thing in the car. You aren't supposed to use big coats in a carseat either, so it just seemed to me to be the best way to keep the baby warm in the winter.

I used them shopping if hte baby was asleep and I didn't want to disturb her. I'd put the bucket in the main part of the shopping cart, not on top.

I didn't find them useful in any other way, but those two things, particularly teh first, made them very useful for me.

Where I live, most people I know call them "bucket seats" or "bucket car seats" when differentiating from convertible seats, and I live in a place where most people use them a lot. Those moms call them bucket seats too. Again, when talking about that particular style so people know what kind of car seat they mean.
post #95 of 107
2/27/10 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
We actually did that once with dd1. DH put her in the bucket, and was also dealing with something else. We drove up the hill to my mom's, and went to get her out...and she wasn't done up. We were both just like "OMG". That's never happened again, though.
Well that can happen with the front facing seats too. Ask dh, he did it when dd1 was about a year old.
post #96 of 107
2/27/10 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by lolar2 View Post
It is fine to put carseats in the MAIN basket of a shopping cart. Just not in the top basket. The reason it is "OK" to put the carseat in the car and not the top basket of the shopping cart, is even though a car toppling over would obviously be dangerous, the carseat won't cause the car to topple over on its own. But a carseat on the top basket of a shopping cart can make the shopping cart topple over just by its own weight. So yes, when I see someone with a carseat in the top basket of the shopping cart, I think they are ignorant of that specific piece of information, even though they may be extremely knowledgeable about everything else. (I know several mothers who are experts on all sorts of things but ignorant of a few safety issues. I'm sure there is something I am ignorant of, too.)
Why is it ok to put a 40-pound child in the front of a shopping cart then? Wouldn't the overall weight be even greater than an infant in the carseat?
post #97 of 107
2/28/10 at 12:15am
@ Bokonon: The weight limit is 35 pounds on the shopping carts (it says it there, e.g. Target, PetCo all list it).
post #98 of 107
2/28/10 at 3:20pm
Trying to put on a mei tai or a long wrap in a slushy parking lot isn't all that easy...unless you like the ends of your carriers to get filthy. I love babywearing, but there probably will be certain times where I use the bucket when we are out. And I'll be wanting to yell at everyone I see "Don't judge me...I usually have my baby in a sling!!!!!" and "She will be let out of this bucket as soon as we get home!!!". "Look at her round head...see...see!!!"
post #99 of 107
2/28/10 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by nia82 View Post
@ Bokonon: The weight limit is 35 pounds on the shopping carts (it says it there, e.g. Target, PetCo all list it).
Oh OK, I never looked. My son is about 35 pounds but doesn't sit in the cart anymore.

Then...why is it ok for a 35 pound kid to sit in a cart? It's still heavier than a carseat + infant.
post #100 of 107
2/28/10 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by Bokonon View Post
Oh OK, I never looked. My son is about 35 pounds but doesn't sit in the cart anymore.

Then...why is it ok for a 35 pound kid to sit in a cart? It's still heavier than a carseat + infant.
I think it has to do with the center of gravity. I once saw a cart topple in Toys R Us with a baby in a bucket in the top basket and it was a very traumatizing experience for me. I thought about it for months. It was terrifying.
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