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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
DD's pediatrician is heavily putting the pressure on us to do the rotovirus vacination.

We are in the delayed vaccination boat. She is 7.5 mo old and only had the first round of some vaccinations.

Apparently she is considered high risk because she had 5 ear infections, with 3 ruptures by 6mo old

Any helpful reading/thoughts on this particular one?
TIA
post #2 of 19
I was under the impression that this had to be given early and the series concluded no later than eight months. I think your daughter is to old to start this series.

Edit to add: The latest the series can be started is 14 wks 6 days so if your daughter is 7 months she is to old to start the series. Find a new ped if he is pushing a vax that is not indicated to start past 14 wks. He should know better!

Not only that but re-reading your post you say he says to get it because she is high risk from ear infections. Diarrhea and ear infections do not go hand in hand, that's ridiculous! New ped!
post #3 of 19
It's too late for rotavirus.

He must be talking something else...Prevnar? HiB?

Rotavirus is a gastrointestinal illness, causes severe vomiting/diarrhea, can lead to dehydration. Both of my older sons have had it. One was hospitalized with it for a week (however, he's my special needs kiddo with a bunch of underlying medical issues).

Either you misunderstood your dr, or I'm very worried. How in the world could he have said Rota?? Gosh I hope you misunderstood.
post #4 of 19
I am guessing it was Prevnar that is recommended, as it is supposed to protect vaccinated children from ear infections, only it doesn't really work that well.

OP read up about Prevnar before you agree to this vax. There is lots in there archives here on MDC
Staph and Prevnar
Why Prevnar & Hib vax aren't the solution

For starters. Just go look in the vaccine archives here.

And also on a blog called Inside Vaccines. Pneumococcal
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
No, the ped really did say rotovirus.
My daughter got her first ear infection at 8wks old and at her 3 mo wbv she had a fever so I declined to do any vacs.
Due to a continued pattern of ear infections/colds I told the ped I was not will to start vacs until she was 6mo old at least.

Because we're in Cali and on the state system they have 'chdps' and dd is 'behind' in their system. Perhaps the ped is referencing the chdp recomendations for a younger child and forgetting that we're delayed?

Perhaps you are right and I should find a new ped.
post #6 of 19
EAr infections and rotovirus? Wow I am fairly creative and I can't see how the ped connected those two.
I say shop for a new ped.
Also if a person gets state aid in calif the state still cannot force anyone to vax
we have both philosophical and relig exempt here.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by ema-adama View Post
I am guessing it was Prevnar that is recommended, as it is supposed to protect vaccinated children from ear infections, only it doesn't really work that well.

OP read up about Prevnar before you agree to this vax. There is lots in there archives here on MDC
Staph and Prevnar
Why Prevnar & Hib vax aren't the solution

For starters. Just go look in the vaccine archives here.

And also on a blog called Inside Vaccines. Pneumococcal
I thought prevnar increased otitis media?

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Originally Posted by springbride View Post
No, the ped really did say rotovirus.
My daughter got her first ear infection at 8wks old and at her 3 mo wbv she had a fever so I declined to do any vacs.
Due to a continued pattern of ear infections/colds I told the ped I was not will to start vacs until she was 6mo old at least.

Because we're in Cali and on the state system they have 'chdps' and dd is 'behind' in their system. Perhaps the ped is referencing the chdp recomendations for a younger child and forgetting that we're delayed?

Perhaps you are right and I should find a new ped.

Wowsa! Good luck in your search for a new doctor!
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by springbride View Post
No, the ped really did say rotovirus.
My daughter got her first ear infection at 8wks old and at her 3 mo wbv she had a fever so I declined to do any vacs.
Due to a continued pattern of ear infections/colds I told the ped I was not will to start vacs until she was 6mo old at least.

Because we're in Cali and on the state system they have 'chdps' and dd is 'behind' in their system. Perhaps the ped is referencing the chdp recomendations for a younger child and forgetting that we're delayed?

Perhaps you are right and I should find a new ped.
That is amazing. Seriously. You should inform the practice that s/he is recommending a vax that is not recommended for the age group and that is not in any way related to her clinical presentation. That is crazy. And yes, a new ped probably would be a good idea if you have options.

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Originally Posted by claddaghmom View Post
I thought prevnar increased otitis media?
Yup. In some cases it does seem to be doing just that. In other cases it is linked to serious lung infections. And it is not that effective. It's a really really problematic vaccine.

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A vaccine that has dramatically curbed pneumonia and other serious illnesses in children is having an unfortunate effect: promoting new superbugs that cause ear infections.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20825107/

The claim that is has dramatically curbed pneumonia and 'other serious illnesses' is pure fantasy. That is is behind the increase in 'new superbugs' does seem to be true.
post #9 of 19
Wow, that ped sounds off his rocker. Next time you meet with him (to tell him that you need your records as you're finding a new ped), I'd ask him to explain how a vaccine for GI illness is going to prevent ear infections. I'd love to hear that reasoning!
post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 
I think that the ped was trying to say that because she has had so many ear infections, she was higher risk for rotavirus? But the ped also told me that they worry more with rotavirus for kids in daycare, and dd has never been near a daycare center...

I am young and look even younger than I am (people usually peg me around 17... ) So that combined with being on the state medical aid makes me feel like I am wearing a blinking sign that says, "I am a moron and don't know how to take care of my kid" grr.

Thanks for the suggestion of getting records. . I might do that at her next appt so I am prepared when we find a new ped.

Where can I find the info about the age bracket for rotavirus? I'd like to have that in hand at her next visit.

Thanks mama. I'm just trying to do the right thing by my dd, and you ladies are a lot of help!
post #11 of 19
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The rotavirus vaccine should not be given before six weeks of age or after 32 weeks of age.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-should-...us-vaccine.htm

Ear infections have nothing to do with rotavirus or complications from rotavirus. I am sorry your ped is giving you a hard time about that. If you can change doctors go for it.

I am sure you will find the right thing to do for your DD.

Not specifically for you OP - but this is from the same link.
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Other concerns may arise from the statement from manufacturer Merck Vaccine Division that “RotaTeq has not been evaluated for its carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or its potential to impair fertility.” Merck also states that “a relationship between antibody responses to RotaTeq against rotavirus gastroenteritis has not been established.” In other words, they have not proven a relationship between their vaccine and immunity to the virus.
Underlining mine.

I did not know that was an issue with the rotavirus vaccine.
post #12 of 19
here I found it



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16651345 The increase in bacterial colonization of the nasopharynx during AOM could be associated with an increase in AOM pathogens and theoretically can predispose PCV7-immunized children with AOM to a higher rate of antibiotic treatment failure or recurrent AOM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15183627 These findings suggest a natural competition between colonisation with vaccine-type pneumococci and S aureus, which might explain the increase in S aureus-related otitis media after vaccination

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...ct/298/15/1772 In the years following introduction of PCV7, a strain of S pneumoniae has emerged in the United States as an otopathogen that is resistant to all FDA-approved antibiotics for treatment of AOM in children

https://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/344/6/403 The number of episodes attributed to serotypes that are cross-reactive with those in the vaccine was reduced by 51 percent, whereas the number of episodes due to all other serotypes increased by 33 percent.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18845981 Five-fold increase in pediatric parapneumonic empyema since introduction of pneumococcal conjugate vaccine.

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/08-054692.pdf Incidence of pneumonia is not reduced by
pneumococcal conjugate vaccine

http://tinyurl.com/5bgbh4 Increase in severe pneumonia in children may be caused by vaccine

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15361721 The proportion of Gram-negative bacteria became 2-fold more frequent than S. pneumoniae in AOM in PCV7-vaccinated young children where PCV7 uptake was community-wide and supply was adequate.
post #13 of 19

Where to find Rotavirus dosage information

When looking at the Rotavirus section of the CDC's pink book go to page 7 of 12 titled Vaccination Schedule and use. It will give the age recommendations for the vaccine. MAXIMUM AGE for the first dose is 14 weeks 6 days. NO doses past 8 months 0 days, etc.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...loads/rota.pdf
post #14 of 19
How do ear infections put you at special risk for rotavirus??? Either the ped is completely clueless or he's just trying to fear monger you. And as others said before, your DD is way too old for the vaccine.... Can you switch doctors?
Did your DD get ear infections after Prevnar (if she had the shot)? Because my niece (selectively vaccinated) got all three of her ear infections right after she received Prevnar. Might be coincidence, but just weird how they quit Prevnar and no more ear infections at all for her.
post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 
Regarding the ear infections,
She got her first at 8wks and they continued ever 3-4 weeks until we opted to put in tubes 5 wks ago. We chose to do the tubes because twice her right ear drum ruptured when we didn't even know she had an infection. We took her to a Dr., received a clean bill of health and within 48hrs. were in the ER

This Ped has used the ear infections a number of times as 'leverage' or 'high risk' info. I'm glad you ladies have reminded me that they might not be related.

PP - she has had 1 dose of prevnar, but that was after the tubes were put in and we have not had an ear infections since then.

I have started to look around for another Ped. It looks like my only other option on our insurance (medi-cal) might be the community health clinic where she'd be being seen by interning students... Not sure which is better.

For now I'll make sure to be educated and prepared before each visit.
post #16 of 19
Hi, I'm so sorry you are going through this. Wanted to mention that tubes don't always "fix" ear infections-they just drain the fluid out quicker. For some easy reading check Dr Sears page on ear infections. He sort of summarizes all the different treatments for them. Mentions that it can take up to 3 months for the liquid to fully drain from an ear-which if true, I didn't know. But it might explain the recurring ear infections so close together.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by bbrandonsmom View Post
Hi, I'm so sorry you are going through this. Wanted to mention that tubes don't always "fix" ear infections-they just drain the fluid out quicker. For some easy reading check Dr Sears page on ear infections. He sort of summarizes all the different treatments for them. Mentions that it can take up to 3 months for the liquid to fully drain from an ear-which if true, I didn't know. But it might explain the recurring ear infections so close together.
DS had his first ear infection at 5 months old and then one with every tooth that came in and at the 9th infection we decided to put tubes in. That was on Dec. 31, 2008. He hasn't had any more issues ever since.

DD had his first ear infection at 5 months old and - just like her brother - another one back to back with every tooth that came in until in June 2009 (after six infections) we had tubes put in on her too and so far - knock on wood - we have been ear issue free with her too.

I don't know if it is the teething and slobbering connected with it or whatever that made them get one infection after the other but the tubes really helped and only when they are really really sick I can see the drainage but we've only had it once for each kid so far. It's gross but it's good to see the tubes working.
post #18 of 19
One trick I've heard of for kids who have trouble with drainage...put them into their car seat (not in the car!) to sleep so they are propped up.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by springbride View Post
I think that the ped was trying to say that because she has had so many ear infections, she was higher risk for rotavirus?
That's how I would have understood it, too. I would have figured he's just trying to "get you" any which way he can.


I would find a new ped FIRST, and then get the records. Or just have the new ped get the records. Under no circumstances would I let the ped know that you're about to be in between peds, b/c goodness knows what sort of stuff he might pull.


Hey, about the ear infections...chiropractic is WELL known for helping with that sort of thing in itty bitty kids. I would highly recommend finding someone gentle who likes working with kids, and see if the ear problems don't go down after getting her under care.


As for rota, DS had it twice. Nurse nurse nurse, even if I knew he was going to lose the milk in 5 minutes, nurse nurse nurse again. And I don't think he had particularly mild cases of it, either. I'm sure it's scary for some if their kids get it even worse...but it was actually one of the more simple things for us to deal with (no stuffy nose! no coughing!).
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