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post #21 of 35
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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm View Post
Yup...Mumps at camp in 78 and measles in High School in 81. My mom was a Ped nurse and get me everything under the sun...even those vaccines not on the schedule. She also kept meticulous records. I had 3 MMRs. Can you guess that I'm one of those that didn't seroconvert?

Back when I had CP back in the Late 60's it wasn't even considered a disease...no one ever freaked out about it...we just waited to get it and get a school vacation!

The CP vaccine was never intended for the general population. It was conceived for the immune-compromised. When they weren't making enough money off of it, they had it added to the childhood vaccine schedule and put out fearmongering campaigns to promote it.

If you ask people who grew up in the 40s - measles and mumps were no biggie...then came the vaccine and they were terrorizing to the people who grew up past the 60's. The same is true for CP...it was no biggie until the vaccine came out.

There are lots of illnesses that suck...if there is no vaccine, no one freaks about it.
I got cp from a pox party...a mom in our playgroup (a nurse btw) invited all of us over when her son got it. I don't remember it being uncomfortable (I'm sure it was) I remember oatmeal baths and people pointing out my pox in the beginning.

My mom got measles, mumps, and rubella as a kid...and she's fine. I remember her telling me stories about her sister looking funny when she had mumps (swollen face).

I've also only had the flu a handful of times in my life...AND I got viral meningitis (and my mom got it after me) and turned out fine.
post #22 of 35
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Originally Posted by NashvilleAwesome View Post
Your chicken pox was fun???? I had it... twice. The second time I was in the 8th grade and INCREDIBLY sick. I'm so thankful that my children won't suffer through that. I also work in a hospital. You are required to be immune to chicken pox if you have patient care. Its just smart. Don't forget small pox was wiped out by vaccines.
-Casey
LOL..actually yes. My bestfriend was trying so hard to catch them so she could stay home too.
post #23 of 35
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Originally Posted by Sileree View Post
I had chickenpox when I was in the first grade and I was not very ill at all. My friends would come over and play after school (they had already had it), and I remember wrestling with my Dad. I never went to a doctor.

I believe diseases of childhood, like measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox are generally believed to be (or were, pre-vaccine) mild between the ages of 5-10 or 15. The older you are, the more sick you may get. I want to acknowledge your experience as valid but I also hope you understand that many children did and do not get as ill as you did.


If DS doesn't catch chickenpox by the time he's about 10 or 12, I will vaccinate him then. We took it a little bit slower, but he is up-to-date on everything else.

I think if we had a family history of bad reactions to chicken pox, I would consider getting the vaccine "on schedule," because I know there are some deaths from it.
post #24 of 35
Fyrestorm: I got to thinking and your situation shouldn't surprise me. When DH went through basic training they did titers on everyone and most of the guys he was with had to get boosters for EVERYTHING. (DH had pos titers for everything) I remember being surprised because these guys were all over 18...some in their mid 20s.
post #25 of 35
I'm old. I was a kid in the 60's. I got chicken pox. I missed a week of school and watched a lot of cartoons. Same with my friends.


Vaxed kids getting chicken pox is not a rare bird. do a search here on this forum and you'll see it with moms here and google shows it a lot.
I remember a story a few years ago about a school in new hampshire where all the kids were vaxed and they had an 'outbreak'. no it was not from a non vaxed kid. I'm sure the link to that story is somewhere here.


Me, I never took much comfort from the roots of the drive to get this vaccine up and running...

from nytimes 1993.

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A vast majority of the economic cost of the disease is attributable to lost pay of parents who become housebound with children who are not allowed to go back to school or day care until their pockmarks have disappeared.

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To me there are enough complications and parents lose so much time from work taking care of kids with chicken pox that it is worth vaccinating," said Dr. Anne A. Gershon, head of pediatric infectious disease at Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/07/ne...l?pagewanted=1
post #26 of 35
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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm View Post
Yup...Mumps at camp in 78 and measles in High School in 81. My mom was a Ped nurse and get me everything under the sun...even those vaccines not on the schedule. She also kept meticulous records. I had 3 MMRs. Can you guess that I'm one of those that didn't seroconvert?

Back when I had CP back in the Late 60's it wasn't even considered a disease...no one ever freaked out about it...we just waited to get it and get a school vacation!

The CP vaccine was never intended for the general population. It was conceived for the immune-compromised. When they weren't making enough money off of it, they had it added to the childhood vaccine schedule and put out fearmongering campaigns to promote it.

If you ask people who grew up in the 40s - measles and mumps were no biggie...then came the vaccine and they were terrorizing to the people who grew up past the 60's. The same is true for CP...it was no biggie until the vaccine came out.

There are lots of illnesses that suck...if there is no vaccine, no one freaks about it.
I also got mumps after getting the MMR. And I was fully up to date. I had them in elementary school, about age 7 or 8 (so in the late 70s) . And I had CP a year afterwards as well...obviously we weren't vaxed for it back then. But no one thought it was a big deal.

I think the mumps vax is a joke really, looking at the recent outbreak stats...
post #27 of 35
The worst part about having CP for me was having to reschedule my birthday party. Oh, and being upset that I had them over a school break, while my sister caught them right after me, and got to miss a whole week of school. All that TV watching I missed out on...

I am an RN, and no one ever asked me about my CP immunity status when I started working! That's ridiculous.
post #28 of 35
I was 12 when I got CP, and I thought it was great. It was the last week of the school year and I got to hang out and sunbathe in the beautiful weather while everyone else was stuck inside. I didn't have a very bad case... probably like 15 or 20 pox marks? My mom had a really mild case, too (when she was a kid)... and my sister didn't have a real bad case except hers was over her birthday which was a bummer.
post #29 of 35
I had cp when I was 2 weeks old. I am fine. I never had the measles, mumps or rubella because I had mmr when I was 5. I don't know if I ever got another one...it isn't in my records. I was wondering if anyone knows the difference between the mmr that I got (in 1973) vs the mmr II (?) they give now?? Just curious.
post #30 of 35
The myth that gets me fired up is the one that suggests that my unvaccinated child is a health risk to your vaccinated child. And don't get me started on herd immunity. Oy.

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Originally Posted by claddaghmom View Post
Well I did it more than a year ago so I'm not 100% quotable, but a FB friend asked me for individual research on the varicella vaccine and disease at that time and I haven't delved into it since then. I found a .002% death rate from wild chickenpox.
Respectfully, numbers don't matter if your child is one that comprises that 0.002% statistic.

Don't get me wrong, I still choose to forgo VariVax, but chicken pox isn't always a benign childhood disease. Usually it is, but I went to the hospital to visit my best friend's sister when she was dying of chicken pox related encephalitis when I was in highschool and I know that it occurs in 1.7 of every 100 000 cases of varicella (or at least it did then). Sometimes you are the statistic, no matter how rare, and that sucks.

So, while I do not choose to vaccinate against this particular virus, I do not feel that it is fun or without risk.
post #31 of 35
And FTR: I had CP when I was 9 or 10. I was completely miserable for 3ish days, stuck at home inside for another 3 or 4 and then it was fine. I had them only below the waist. MOstly in my groin area, legs and trunk. It wasn't any more or less craptastic than any other common childhood illness.
post #32 of 35
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Originally Posted by NashvilleAwesome View Post
Your chicken pox was fun???? I had it... twice. The second time I was in the 8th grade and INCREDIBLY sick. I'm so thankful that my children won't suffer through that. I also work in a hospital. You are required to be immune to chicken pox if you have patient care. Its just smart. Don't forget small pox was wiped out by vaccines.
-Casey
Remember that your children will need chicken pox boosters every 15-20 years for the rest of their lives or they may indeed contract chicken pox, and the disease gets more dangerous for adults.

I am so thankful that I have natural immunity to chicken pox, measles, rubella and mumps. I had all those diseases as a child. I was never vaxed with the MMR, and I am so thankful.
post #33 of 35
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Originally Posted by pumpkinhead View Post
The myth that gets me fired up is the one that suggests that my unvaccinated child is a health risk to your vaccinated child. And don't get me started on herd immunity. Oy.



Respectfully, numbers don't matter if your child is one that comprises that 0.002% statistic.

Don't get me wrong, I still choose to forgo VariVax, but chicken pox isn't always a benign childhood disease. Usually it is, but I went to the hospital to visit my best friend's sister when she was dying of chicken pox related encephalitis when I was in highschool and I know that it occurs in 1.7 of every 100 000 cases of varicella (or at least it did then). Sometimes you are the statistic, no matter how rare, and that sucks.

So, while I do not choose to vaccinate against this particular virus, I do not feel that it is fun or without risk.

Yes, I agree with your point. I often hear vaccines touted as only having very rare instances of side effects. But when they happened to me, the rarity didn't matter at all.

It's just one thing among many points to consider though. We took a fairly benign disease and have now shifted the epidemiology of the disease and made it so that everyone must receive continuous vaccinations for life.
post #34 of 35
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Originally Posted by claddaghmom View Post
Yes, I agree with your point. I often hear vaccines touted as only having very rare instances of side effects. But when they happened to me, the rarity didn't matter at all.

It's just one thing among many points to consider though. We took a fairly benign disease and have now shifted the epidemiology of the disease and made it so that everyone must receive continuous vaccinations for life.
re: the bold, exactly! I don't care how "rare" it is that reactive aluminum damages a child enough that the effects are immediately evident, I'm not putting it in my child without a damn good reason.

I feel the same about the "rare" risk of varicella assocated encephalitis. So, it's all about assessing the risk and acting accordingly, as well as doing what we can as parents to minimize the risk in general (diet, exercise, supplements etc).
post #35 of 35
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Originally Posted by pumpkinhead View Post
The myth that gets me fired up is the one that suggests that my unvaccinated child is a health risk to your vaccinated child. And don't get me started on herd immunity. Oy.



Respectfully, numbers don't matter if your child is one that comprises that 0.002% statistic.

Don't get me wrong, I still choose to forgo VariVax, but chicken pox isn't always a benign childhood disease. Usually it is, but I went to the hospital to visit my best friend's sister when she was dying of chicken pox related encephalitis when I was in highschool and I know that it occurs in 1.7 of every 100 000 cases of varicella (or at least it did then). Sometimes you are the statistic, no matter how rare, and that sucks.
So, while I do not choose to vaccinate against this particular virus, I do not feel that it is fun or without risk.
Yes.

I, know two children, two different families. Each child had a reaction to a shot and ended up brain damaged. One is 16 and has the brain of a 1 year old. Another is severly damaged and will be on assisted living her whole life. Thank god she has siblings older and younger than her who will hopefully be there to take care of her. What are the stats on those inserts for reactions? Probably high, I guess.

So, yeah, when you are the statistic there is no comfort.
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