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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Pretty much decided I want our upcoming little one to be left intact. DH won't discuss the issue, but I know his preference is circumcision (we are Jewish).

DH does not read books *except* for the 10 minutes a day when he is sitting on the toilet, and then he will at least peruse whatever I have left in the bathroom. So, I'm looking for book recommendations for me to leave in there to help educate him. Any suggestions?
post #2 of 13
post #3 of 13
How about having him read what doctors say:

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...yStatement.pdf

It is well written, in chapters, has references, is authoritative, and explores most of the issues that can come up. He can read a chapter at as time or less. You and he can discuss it as he reads it.

If that is too long for his attention span, this is a very short piece that will cover the things you both should be discussing in order to arrive at a decision:

http://www.icgi.org/Downloads/Full_Disclosure.pdf

Regards
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
He won't go to any websites, and would flip out if I printed out 64 pages on our printer, but the other two links are great. I've printed them out and placed them in the bathroom. Haven't heard anything yet, but I'm sure he'll be looking at them.

Thanks so much for your responses so far!
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by tribord View Post
He won't go to any websites, and would flip out if I printed out 64 pages on our printer...
You could print out a couple pages, perhaps the first page of each section, then let him know where to find the rest on the computer/internet.

I have to say he seems to be playing (whether intended or not) the old "You have to convince me while I keep putting you on the defensive" game. Don't fall for it. Make him meet you half way.

Your baby will be born with a healthy, functioning foreskin. If you were to ask the doctor to trim your new born daughter's labia, because, you know, they don't look right and she will get teased and have all sorts of infections, you would be looked at as totally off your meds and in need of a lot of counseling, possibly not fit to be a mother. So the default should be leave him intact.

Anyone, doctor, parent, nurse, whoever, needs to do the research and be able to clearly state the justification for not going with the default. There have to be compelling and large benefits that outweigh the risks and negative consequences. They have to say how the risks of surgery to amputate the foreskin, risk of complications due to having his foreskin removed, the loss of sexual function and feelings for both himself and his future partners, and the violation of his human rights, are outweighed by whatever benefit is seen. They need to be able to state this in a way that any reasonable person could follow and agree with. If he cannot take the time to do this, then he is giving up his right to be part of the decsison making process, IMHO.

Sorry if I am reading too much into what you have written, but it is a common strategy for those who use emotional arguements and debate tactics to put people on the defensive when they have nothing to support their view but their own fear and feelings.

Regards
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
Well, it took forever but I got DH's poker strategy book out of the bathroom last night (it is finally due back at the library with no more renewals). I've had the website printouts you all recommended in there for a couple weeks.

So after his "session" this morning DH comes to me and cries "they mutilated me" and "I want my foreskin back". He was saying it in a mock-devastated manner, but I could tell he actually was upset. I said, "so can we agree to not do that to our son?" and he was in total agreement. I am so happy we are on the same page! DH is very concerned how his family will take it but I know we can handle that together.

Thanks for your advice and recommendations on the printouts. They were short and to the point... just what was needed.
post #7 of 13
How awesome! Glad it helped save your son! I am very sorry that your DH is so upset though .
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
Yes, the downside of DH learning about circ. is his finding out what happened to him and what was taken from him. He would have continued along the "ignorance is bliss" path if we never had a son. However, I think his feelings of outrage and loss will help keep him strong in the face of the strong opposition of his family.
post #9 of 13
Hi! Just a friendly reminder that religion is beyond the scope of this forum, as per the UA:

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The discussion of or reference to religion is outside of the scope of this forum. Any posts which bring any aspect of religion into the discussion are not appropriate and will be removed. Respectful discussion of a religious nature regarding circumcision, alternatives, etc. may be hosted in the Spirituality forum. The Spirituality forum is a debate-free zone. Members maintain a list of helpful websites in a Web Resources thread for further information about religious issues.
Thanks!
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by tribord View Post
So after his "session" this morning DH comes to me and cries "they mutilated me" and "I want my foreskin back". He was saying it in a mock-devastated manner, but I could tell he actually was upset.
It takes a lot of guts for a guy to admit that a sexual piece of his body is missing, mockingly or not. When talking about any of the benefits of leaving foreskins intact, I would do my best to make sure your DH knows that he is still "perfect" in your eyes.
post #11 of 13
Great job!!!

And he can have it back. Many men are restoring their foreskins, I for one. If you or he ever want more information just ask. In thi sopne forum or by PM. And there are other forums that can support him in this.

Regards
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by tribord View Post
Well, it took forever but I got DH's poker strategy book out of the bathroom last night (it is finally due back at the library with no more renewals). I've had the website printouts you all recommended in there for a couple weeks.

So after his "session" this morning DH comes to me and cries "they mutilated me" and "I want my foreskin back". He was saying it in a mock-devastated manner, but I could tell he actually was upset. I said, "so can we agree to not do that to our son?" and he was in total agreement. I am so happy we are on the same page! DH is very concerned how his family will take it but I know we can handle that together.

Thanks for your advice and recommendations on the printouts. They were short and to the point... just what was needed.
That is wonderful that he agrees with you! This post has been helpful to me, because I'm in a similar situation (DH - Jewish, wants baby circ'd and doesn't read much) THanks, ladies!
post #13 of 13
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That is wonderful that he agrees with you! This post has been helpful to me
I'm glad it has been helpful to you, too! See you in our DDC.
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