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post #41 of 55
If your problem is just that you have to help her go potty, figure out a way so that she can do it herself - dump diapers, and get a potty chair she can get on (or a stool so she can get to the toilet), so whenever she feels like she has to 'go' she can, w/o you. DS1 ran around with just a shirt on at home for a good 3-4 wks before we tried just pants on (undwear, as noted above were/are a mess). He's now been running around /w pants on for another month or two, and I keep trying underwear every few days, but it just gets peed in.

Boxers I hadn't considerd before... do they make lil boy boxers??
post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by mamadelbosque View Post
Boxers I hadn't considerd before... do they make lil boy boxers??
If they don't, grab some cotton shorts from the baby section. Things sized to go over diapers will probably fit well as boxers for non-diapered toddlers. Kind of how the best undies for toddler girls are those little bloomers that come with baby dresses.
post #43 of 55
Since the op seems to have found her answer, can you ladies help me, too?

Dd is doing the whole I have to pee pee and then when we get to the bathroom she says NOOOOOO PEE PEE! In the last few days, since we started this post, it's gotten worse and worse. Every time she does this whether we are at home or in public.

If we are out and on multiple errands, I try to take her to every bathroom at every store/park. She keeps telling me no. I tell her ok, the next potty will be at xyz. We are leaving now. Are you suuuurrrre? I am out of playful parenting ideas! After grocery store and park she peed in her car seat on the way home.

I feel like my only option is to let her have accidents. Not make a big deal about it and move on. YUCK! If you remember in my previous posts, I am very intimidated (don't have a better word) by potty issues and I don't want to make it a battle or mess things up. She was doing SO WELL! Why is she suddenly exercising her little independence in this way? BTW, I don't think rewards are needed here. I guess I want ideas other than rewards
post #44 of 55
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After grocery store and park she peed in her car seat on the way home.
Do you have a car potty to use instead of in the store? offer before and after?
Do you take her when you go or only when she asks?


as I stated, we don't do any rewards- and praise is not use each and every time- it can also be a simple thank you, There is a lot to be said about training a pet (dog for ex.)- some use treats others would never. I like the unrewarded child- to each his own.

Also, we wash hands after we use the potty that too is expected behavior in our home and again, we don't reward for doing that.

I strongly feel if the parent is "melting" down- be it with the potty or something else, a reward is NEVER a good option- where does it stop? having a bad day and give a reward and make it all better? what kind of message does this send? why take an easy way out instead of correcting the issue at hand, be it the parent who has the issue or the child?

I simply don't get the reward and potty at all- the thought of giving 8 to 10 or even more candies to small child in one day is NOT what we do.

My children imitate, they see us go and want to do the same, very simple and no pressure applied, accidents happen and should be use not avoided.

I feel we have become a reward society, I know two families that use rewards and had major problems because of, one is still having problems with their 5 year old, the other had another child and ec-ed
post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by Shami View Post
Since the op seems to have found her answer, can you ladies help me, too?

Dd is doing the whole I have to pee pee and then when we get to the bathroom she says NOOOOOO PEE PEE! In the last few days, since we started this post, it's gotten worse and worse. Every time she does this whether we are at home or in public.

If we are out and on multiple errands, I try to take her to every bathroom at every store/park. She keeps telling me no. I tell her ok, the next potty will be at xyz. We are leaving now. Are you suuuurrrre? I am out of playful parenting ideas! After grocery store and park she peed in her car seat on the way home.
Have you offered alternatives other than just sitting on the potty? As I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, my daughter responded REALLY well to stand-up pees in the bathtub.

When she would go through these 'potty strikes', where we'd get to the bathroom, I knew she had to pee, she knew she had to pee, but she was all "NOO!!!!", we'd say, "how about stand-up pee in the bathtub?" She'd stop screaming, calm down, and say "OK!" Or when it was really at its worst, she'd still scream, but we'd take off her pants anyway and stand her up in the tub, and she'd promptly calm down and pee.

Outdoors, she can just pee in the rocks. Many times we'd be getting ready to go somewhere. "Go potty before we leave?" "NO!" Get out to the car, "pee in the rocks?" "YES!!!" Sometimes producing a HUUUUGE pee too lol... making us very relieved that we'd managed to get that out of her before strapping into the car heh...

Usually we'd just pull down her pants, and hold her up in the EC "Classic position", and just have her pee right onto the driveway or into the grass. Or the snow, in winter. Seriously. And yes, sometimes we'd do it in a parking lot of a store too -- discreetly, carefully camouflaged behind the open car door... or if we'd thought to bring the portable potty we'd put that underneath her.

During the summer, when she's running around outside, she just stops, squats, and pees in the grass -- USUALLY she remembers to take off her undies heh... I expect she'll be better in that respect this summer compared to last heh...

Anyway, the point is just -- when faced with that resistance, offer various possibilities, not just 'pee in the potty'. Pee standing up, pee in the sink, pee being held, pee outside... I always like to say, anything that is NOT peeing in the diaper, but peeing elsewhere on purpose and with control (and permission heh) is a good thing.
post #46 of 55
Tankgirl-
Thanks for all of the ideas. I will def think about it. I never did ec. Dd initiated pottying on her own around 18 months. I followed her cues. I do have three options for her at home. A little free standing potty, the big potty, or the insert for the big potty. I might be ok with the pee in the tub, but peeing every where at any time...hmmm, I don't know. How long will you let your child do that? I mean is there an age limit. I don't want a five year old peeing outside, anywhere at anytime.

Serenbat-

Yes, have a car potty for when there is nothing else available. I could use it when out and she refuses the store potty.
Once she got the whole potty thing. I stopped asking her while at home. At stores I would ask her when we got there or when leaving, or if we walked by the bathrooms I would point it out to her. In the beginning it was a novelty for her and she loved going to every potty in every public place. Sometimes I forget to ask her and she will tell me. She was really good about not having accidents while out and about. I thought she was near being totally independent, following her own body cues.

I do understand avoiding rewards, but I don't understand the never ever ever in no situation give a reward stance. I think that when Saphire Chan mentioned giving a reward is better than a frustrated parent having a meltdown, she meant INSTEAD of melting down, not WHILE melting down. So if my kid is going through a phase and won't get in the car seat, AND it caused a big physical battle with an angry mama and a screaming kid. INSTEAD of fighting that battle, say hey when you get in your seat without fighting mama you can have this special toy (if you don't like to give candy). Kid gets in seat and plays with toy and mama has avoided a huge terrible meltdown for both her and kid. Do you see my point at all?
post #47 of 55
And another thought...
Not trying to challenge in a mean way, just trying to think it through and appreciate your responses.
Saphire mentioned a reward being a manipulation. Agreed. But, so is distraction and redirection. I am manipulating my two year old all day long. If you use my car seat scenario, offering a toy to get in the seat with out a fight is a distraction method.
post #48 of 55
Shami,
My DD is only 16 months, so I am not speaking from experience here. But... we have her potty in the living room and she loves sitting on it. Of course, she is not peeing in it regularly, but I wonder if its going to the bathroom that has your LO screaming. Have you tried peeing her in other parts of the house?
post #49 of 55
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Do you see my point at all?

no I don't see your point of view


I regard a reward in the context mentioned here as (EX. candy, sticker- a NEW item)- if you are simply giving a item that the child already has (their own toy) how is this a reward? is it not just a redirection? -that is how I view it

of course a reward can also be a special outing or going someplace but that is not what is mentioned here

again, we are talking about toddlers here, I expect it to be normal for one to have an issue from time to time getting into a seat- thought this was about pt and giving rewards
post #50 of 55
hit wrong button, sorry
post #51 of 55
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Originally Posted by silybum View Post
Shami,
My DD is only 16 months, so I am not speaking from experience here. But... we have her potty in the living room and she loves sitting on it. Of course, she is not peeing in it regularly, but I wonder if its going to the bathroom that has your LO screaming. Have you tried peeing her in other parts of the house?
Yes I have a little potty out in the hall that she can take anywhere, but I haven't tried initiating it. I will do that next time. And, she isn't screaming really, just refusing in a strong toddler sort of way. I don't fight her on it, at all. I've just let accidents happen rather than bribing her to get on the potty, or giving a reward.
Good idea for when we are leaving the house and I really want her to go. Thanks
post #52 of 55
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Originally Posted by Shami View Post
Tankgirl-
Thanks for all of the ideas. I will def think about it. I never did ec. Dd initiated pottying on her own around 18 months. I followed her cues. I do have three options for her at home. A little free standing potty, the big potty, or the insert for the big potty. I might be ok with the pee in the tub, but peeing every where at any time...hmmm, I don't know. How long will you let your child do that? I mean is there an age limit. I don't want a five year old peeing outside, anywhere at anytime.
Oh, they stop doing it on their own as their natural sense of privacy kicks in. We western folks would be astonished at traditional communities in China, say, where that's exactly what young kids do -- anytime, anywhere, on the streets, whatever... Nobody worries that they're going to keep doing it as they get older. We might not appreciate the non-hygienic appearance of that, but the point of it is, that even in a culture where it's freely permitted all the time, it still naturally evolves into a private-bathroom thing as they get older.

When we would have her pee in a parking lot, was when she was still quite young (like, toddler and younger -- we did EC). Maybe there hadn't been a public toilet available, or she'd resisted it, or only suddenly gave us a signal that she needed to pee, etc etc. Our preference was to use a public toilet or the portable potty, the parking lot pee was a backup plan.

Running around in the back yard -- you will see 5yo boys doing that ALL THE TIME, no matter HOW they were potty trained heh... And it's not like she's stopping to squat every five minutes. Sometimes she would come inside to pee, sometimes she would pee outside in the grass or the rocks -- that's still preferable to peeing in a diaper to my mind! This summer, she will be 3.5yo, so I suspect she will be doing this less than last year already. Last year, she was quite well "trained", could do the whole process on her own, but would still have misses when she got distracted. So we were fine with letting her pee wherever she would cooperatively pee, rather than trying to force the issue to be ONLY where we specified. As much as possible, we encouraged the regular potty or toilet -- offering it first. But when she'd go through those moody phases and refused, then we were happy to offer her alternatives.

Over time, as she's gotten older, she's become more refined and more attuned. I think she recognizes that her big brother and her cousins and the grownups do NOT pee in the sink, or in the grass, or on the rocks (but maybe in the shower ), and naturally she will fall in line with the general... er... flow of how the family works in that respect. Misses are now VERY rare (and generally related to her playing with water lol), she hasn't needed a bathtub pee in I don't know how long (it's been long enough that I no longer remember the last time)... Hubby still tries to get pee-in-the-rocks out of her before we go somewhere in the car, but I'm rolling my eyes at him now because she actually just went 20 minutes ago in the house, on her own... and we know we can trust her to 'hold it' for a good length of time so we don't have to panic in the car.

So I guess this is a very long-winded way of saying... Yeah there's an age limit, but it happens pretty naturally. The phase of being so fascinated with their peeing that alternative things like peeing outside to keep their interest and attention and motivation, is (relatively) short-lived. Before long peeing (with control) is just old hat, no big deal, part of their day, and they gladly start locking you out of the bathroom instead......
post #53 of 55
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Originally Posted by serenbat View Post
no I don't see your point of view


I regard a reward in the context mentioned here as (EX. candy, sticker- a NEW item)- if you are simply giving a item that the child already has (their own toy) how is this a reward? is it not just a redirection? -that is how I view it

of course a reward can also be a special outing or going someplace but that is not what is mentioned here

again, we are talking about toddlers here, I expect it to be normal for one to have an issue from time to time getting into a seat- thought this was about pt and giving rewards
Okay, yes about pottying, not car seat. Car seat are a necessary thing that a toddler 'should' be doing (since it is the law), just like pottying. I gave the car seat scenario to see where you stand on other types of rewards because the tone of your posts bothered me, honestly. I 'felt' like your posts implied that anyone resorting to rewards are low down no good melt downs, sticking candy in them at every crisis type mothers. And, for me that is not the case. I rarely melt down in front of her.
post #54 of 55
Tank girl
Thanks for that long reply. Helped me see how this method all plays out. It makes total sense that they naturally outgrow it.

Wondering if you've had any mom's at the park give you the 'look' for public peeing? lol

I may try this with my next one. Thinking about ec ing with the next babe.
post #55 of 55
LOL... I tried to not be conspicuous, and actually if someone saw us they might not even know what we were doing. We're just over here looking at a tree, don't mind us... If anyone DID notice, they never gave us any funny looks!

We loved ECing our daughter. DS was 'traditionally' diapered and potty-trained, it was a mess and a horrible experience for all of us. When DD was born, I had heard of EC but dismissed it as sheer silliness. I looked into it again, this time it made SOME sense, and I decided it was worth a try -- worst case scenario, it doesn't work, we just keep using diapers. When she was 3 weeks old, I gingerly broached the subject with DH, who immediately said "That makes SO MUCH SENSE! Of course! Wow! We are TOTALLY trying that!" We tried it, she immediately peed in the sink, then had a big yellow poo too, and we were like... oh, okay, it does work! And we never looked back. Can't imagine doing it any other way now!
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