Charting to Avoid/Fertility Awareness, March 2010 - Page 2

[onetwoten]

According to FF my green boxes start today. I went back and altered two temps that were taken two hours early (days 8 and 9) and FF still says I am "probably not fertile" but my phase is still "most fertile". If I switch it to FAM, it goes to "possibly fertile". It's just funny that they differ, same as yours, I guess though it makes sense if one is based on averages and one is immediate data (ie CF and stats).

FF says my average 0 day is 16 with a min of 13 and max of 22. Though 16 makes perfect sense with what I would have said too.

I'm guessing the stats box is saying probably not because I'm only had one day of EW after being dry for two days? That's the only thing I can think of.

[readytobedone]

Hey Ladies!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1501dc

Well, it looks like (hopefully) my LP is lengthening, which is what I want before we start TTC. It's going to be at least 10 days this cycle, which is better than the 9 I had last cycle

Either that, or my period is late and I'm pregnant.

There's no way, right? We DTD a week before O according to FF, and we used a condom.



I don't want to get pg before about June, both because of the LP problem and for life circumstance reasons.

Also, maybe I should post in a different place about this, but now that I am taking B-6 and Vitex, it looks like my temps are considerably higher than before--both pre- and post-O, but more noticeable with post-O. Is that typical? Does that mean my progesterone levels are up?

[readytobedone]

Originally Posted by jeninejessica

According to FF my green boxes start today. I went back and altered two temps that were taken two hours early (days 8 and 9) and FF still says I am "probably not fertile" but my phase is still "most fertile". If I switch it to FAM, it goes to "possibly fertile". It's just funny that they differ, same as yours, I guess though it makes sense if one is based on averages and one is immediate data (ie CF and stats).

FF says my average 0 day is 16 with a min of 13 and max of 22. Though 16 makes perfect sense with what I would have said too.

I'm guessing the stats box is saying probably not because I'm only had one day of EW after being dry for two days? That's the only thing I can think of.

Yeah, I was joking with someone on another board about how FF is all, "Mucus is MOST FERTILE" but "You are probably not fertile." It's really odd until you figure out that one is based on CM alone and the other is based solely on past cycles.

[MarineWife]

Average, mode and median can be different. If your mode (most frequent) is closer to the cd22 O, FF will probably figure your more likely to O closer to that rather than your average of cd16. That might be why it's saying you probably aren't fertile. Does that make sense?

Vitex and B6 can both extend lp length. Vitex, at least, could also make temps higher since it causes progesterone levels to be higher.

[RaraAvis]

Emily: hope hope hope!
HJ: s

I am not worrying, although my temps just keep seeming to rise. . . But if it was triphasic it wouldn't have started so soon after we DTD -- right? My Ovulation Chart
Waiting for AF -- probably it's coming, since I'm getting all hormonally worried. . .

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by RaraAvis

But if it was triphasic it wouldn't have started so soon after we DTD -- right?

That's perfect timing for triphasic temps, 8dpo. You also have a nice implant dip on cd25. None of that means you are pg, though. Are you asking about the BD on cd25? That wouldn't affect anything since you Oed on cd21.

[nerdymom]

Thanks for the welcomes! I guess I'm mostly wondering if I'm fertile at all. My temps are really low (in the 96s) and I'm still bf although DS is [mostly] nightweaned. I did observe what I think might be EW, but I don't know. It was clear, really bouncy, stretchy fluid. More like a jelly or a booger. Is that considered eggwhite mucus or not? My chart on fertility friend. Any insights would be appreciated.

[onetwoten]

What time are you temping at? The past few months I've been temping 5-530am and those line up with my normal temps. My coverline for a few months in a row was 97.1 or 97.2, no higher. If you're not getting great sleeps during the night, that may be making them a bit lower too.

How long have your cyucles been since they came back? It's too soon to say obviously, but it looks like you may have ovulated yesterday, there's certainly a bit of a temp rise from today, and it makes sense with the fluid dry up.

And that description sounds exactly what I would place as EW.

[BarefootScientist]

Originally Posted by kcroto42

Haven't been around much because the two year old has found her independent streak and hoooooo boy.

Me too! Also, taking care of my sick grandpa. Staying with him in a different state from my hubby so there's not going to be much chance of pregnancy this cycle. Here's my chart.

nerdymom, I think it's very possible that you ovulated CD 16. You'll need a couple more high temps to confirm. And the snotty mucus you describe I think a lot of us contend with. Some of us call it creamy, others eggwhite, others sticky I think, depending on the person, their preferences, and the actual fluid in question...but yes, it is potentially fertile.

Thanks for the new thread and happy March to everyone!

[eirual]

An un-eventful CD3 here. CD1 brought with it horrid cramps- I was puking and sweating and felt about ready to pass out...and that was after a couple of advil, heat pads, bath, and rest...in the middle of the night no less. Not fun...every now and again AF is just plain MEAN!

[nerdymom]

Originally Posted by jeninejessica

What time are you temping at? The past few months I've been temping 5-530am and those line up with my normal temps. My coverline for a few months in a row was 97.1 or 97.2, no higher. If you're not getting great sleeps during the night, that may be making them a bit lower too.

How long have your cyucles been since they came back? It's too soon to say obviously, but it looks like you may have ovulated yesterday, there's certainly a bit of a temp rise from today, and it makes sense with the fluid dry up.

And that description sounds exactly what I would place as EW.

I'm temping at 7am. I picked the earliest time I have to get up during the week and set my alarm for that. I go back to sleep most mornings. I'm an early bird by nature, but DH is a night owl and so I stay up with him until midnight or so. I sleep very deeply for about 8 hours, but am still tired. Could that affect my temps? Maybe I finally have a good reason to get him to adjust to my schedule a little more!

I'm not sure how long my cycles have been - I'm pretty horrible at remembering, which is one of the reasons I started charting. Thanks for all your input. I guess I expected EW to be looser, glad to know that it looks like I'm O'ing. You've taken a load off my mind.

[Blueone]

Originally Posted by nerdymom

I'm temping at 7am. I picked the earliest time I have to get up during the week and set my alarm for that. I go back to sleep most mornings. I'm an early bird by nature, but DH is a night owl and so I stay up with him until midnight or so. I sleep very deeply for about 8 hours, but am still tired. Could that affect my temps? Maybe I finally have a good reason to get him to adjust to my schedule a little more!

Have you been tested for hypothyroid? The ideal morning temp according to my endo is 97.8 on day 2-5. I might have one or 2 below it, but a majority are at or above 97.8. That can cause fatigue among other things.

Stopthethyroidmadness.com is a really good site that discusses hypothyroid, the necessary tests, and so on. It took me a long time to find a doctor who would run the right tests and really listen to me. My mom has it and saw the signs in me so she was making sure I got in with a good doctor.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by nerdymom

Thanks for the welcomes! I guess I'm mostly wondering if I'm fertile at all. My temps are really low (in the 96s) and I'm still bf although DS is [mostly] nightweaned. I did observe what I think might be EW, but I don't know. It was clear, really bouncy, stretchy fluid. More like a jelly or a booger. Is that considered eggwhite mucus or not? My chart on fertility friend. Any insights would be appreciated.

Yes, you are potentially fertile whenever you have any CF other than your BIP (basic infertile CF pattern). Most women's BIP is dry but some may have sticky. A BIP can never be wetter than that so creamy, watery and EW (obviously) can't count no matter how long it may last. My EWCF is similar to what you describe. If it stretches at least an inch and is very slippery, call it EW.

Temps can't tell you whether or not you are fertile before you O so it doesn't really matter what they are pre-O (unless they indicate a possible health problem). They can only tell you after the fact that you have Oed. That's why it's important to chart CF and temps when CTA. The CF tells you when you are potentially fertile and the temps tell you when you have Oed and are safe to dtd unprotected.

From your chart, I think it's possible you did O on Sunday, cd16. You need two more consecutive temps above 97.0 to confirm it so continue to be cautious until then. If your temp doesn't stay up, you did O and have to go back to assuming you are potentially fertile.

[lyterae]

Morning ladies, I've got quite the dive going on with my chart this month. I lost all the covers last night so that might be to blame at this a little bit. Waiting to see if they come back up some tomorrow, I don't think they could get much lower.

[readytobedone]

No AF still...can someone please reassure me I'm not pg? Intellectually I know it is well-nigh impossible, since we DTD 7 days pre-O AND used a condom...completely properly!

This is just my LP getting longer, right?! Like I wanted it to?

[RaraAvis]

ready to be done: we can just hold hands until our respective :AFs come -- rule-wise we're both totally fine -- but there's something hormonal that happens right when I'm PMSing where I worry against all logic.

MW: CD25 was the only one even vaguely possible -- maybe I got a pre-insemination implantation dip the morning before we DTD

[MarineWife]

ready ~ The vitex is the cause of your longer lp. That's what it does.

Rara ~ Implantation dips are caused by the mid-lp estrogen, anyway, not by actual implantation.

AFM, my temp went up and then back down again.

[readytobedone]

Originally Posted by RaraAvis

ready to be done: we can just hold hands until our respective :AFs come -- rule-wise we're both totally fine -- but there's something hormonal that happens right when I'm PMSing where I worry against all logic.

MW: CD25 was the only one even vaguely possible -- maybe I got a pre-insemination implantation dip the morning before we DTD

Gah! I know, right? It happens to me constantly.

When are you expecting your AF, Rara?

[readytobedone]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

ready ~ The vitex is the cause of your longer lp. That's what it does.

Rara ~ Implantation dips are caused by the mid-lp estrogen, anyway, not by actual implantation.

AFM, my temp went up and then back down again.

MarineWife, thanks for talking some sense into crazy me!

[readytobedone]

Can we talk about CM in a little more detail? I get what watery and EWCM are like...but I get confused about creamy and sticky.

Is sticky, like, pretty much almost-dry but the kind that when you rub your fingers together, feels tacky, almost like you spilled glue on your fingertips? I think I get that early on and then right before AF.

And if you have some CM that is kind of wet, but has lots of white creaminess in it, is that watery or creamy? I think I read somewhere that you record the most fertile fluid of the day...is that right? So for that type, would I record watery or creamy?

I usually only record watery if there is virtually no color to it. Am I doing that right?