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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I have sort of a laundry list of things that are making me anxious and are wondering what you all think about them (he'll be 2 in April):

1. DS will occasionally hit himself in the head. This seems to correlate to us telling him he shouldn't or can't do something or another. It's almost like he's frustrated that either he can't remember that he shouldn't do that, or perhaps he's frustrated that he can't eat crayons/throw his fork/whatever because he really wants to. He will also shriek instead at the same situations. Part of me thinks he's doing either thing to get a reaction, because we keep telling him to stop doing THAT instead of the thing we were telling him not to do before that, you know? Would it help to try to ignore it, I wonder?

2. He has lots of words, but not a lot of language, if that makes sense. He loves, loves, loves to read books, both him "reading" himself and us reading to him, and even knows his letters, shapes, colors, and numbers already. He was just a little bit later talking than his classmates at day care, but nothing concerning. However, now, talking seems to still be more of a parlor trick than a tool, as he will still whine (but not always, which is why it's more frustrating) if he wants something instead of just telling us what exactly he wants. I try not to give into this, I really do - but frankly, sometimes he just outlasts my whining quotient and I just give him what he probably wanted. I also try harder to give him choices so that he's used to voicing his opinion. Sometimes in our highly scheduled life, he just doesn't get that opportunity, so we're trying.

3. He seems to sleep less than other toddlers I know. He goes to bed at 8 PM (I can't even imagine him going to bed earlier than that) and wakes up at 5 AM, sometimes even before. (We co-sleep, if that matters.) He usually takes anywhere from a 2-3 hour nap at day care. We're in the process of getting them to cut the naps a bit shorter to see if that helps, that hasn't seemed to make too much of a difference yet.

Sorry, that was long, any thoughts you'd have on any of the above would be greatly appreciated. *sigh* Babies are easier, this toddler stuff may kill me...
post #2 of 10
ok so I can't tell you what's "normal," but I can tell you that my 16 mo DS sounds very similar for #1 and #3.
He shrieks and hits himself or sometimes flings himself onto the floor in response to *VERY* similar things - definitely eating the crayons, or playing with the stove when we are cooking, etc.
I have found that responding with a very mellow attitude (not easy to do!!) works better than responding with any emotion.

And he is usually asleep in his bed by 8:30 (we start bath/books routine at 8-ish) and wakes up before 6. And naps 2+ hours at daycare.
I think the strategy there is a shorter daytime nap. 1.5 hours I think is ideal for our wild boy.
We would like to get to a place with more night time sleep, so we all can be a bit healthier and happier!
post #3 of 10
Re: #3

My 2 year old usually only gets about 10-11 hours of nighttime sleep (9/10pm- 7/8 am) and then a 40 min to 2 hour nap... usually never totaling more than 12 hours of sleep in a day.

Elizabeth Pantley actually has a chart of what's statistically normal for toddler and infant sleep in The No Cry Nap Solution. Here's the info for a 2 year old: 1 nap lasting 1.5-3 hours, 5-6.5 hours between sleep periods, 11-12 hours of nighttime sleep, 13-13.5 hours of TOTAL SLEEP.

It doesn't sound like your son is that far from what she considers the "ideal" amount of two year old sleep. (The next closest age on the chart is 18 months and kids that age only require about 30 minutes more.) She also claims that roughly 90 minute increments for naps are good because then the kid gets in at least one complete sleep cycle, so if your son is napping for 3 hr then he's getting 2 full sleep cycles which is pretty awesome. Naps are really good for kids and help their development in ways that nighttime sleep doesn't. Um, so my vote is for "normal."

Sorry I can't help much with #1 and #2, my daughter is/was a little verbally precocious. If it makes you feel better though, she's 6 months older and doesn't know all of her shapes and numbers yet and is a bit vague on a few of the letters. And while she's not hitting herself, she has started hitting us and our dogs
post #4 of 10
I'm no expert, but, in my experience... it all sounds normal!

Ds, now newly turned 3, didn't start talking until after he turned 2. Then, the language "explosion" hit! I was worried, b/c dd started talking much earlier, but he now has countless words, speaks in full sentences, and is quite a bright little guy!

I also have a friend who teaches kindergarten. In her observations, the kids who don't nap/need less sleep, are also usually the smartest in the class! I don't know if there's any truth to this, but, she's taught for about 15 years, so, she must have something to go on here. Personally, dd needs alot less sleep than ds, always has, and she does well socially/academically.

Each child develops at a different pace. Try not to worry too much!
post #5 of 10
#3 sounds really normal to me. I would stop comparing to other toddlers because it really does not do a whole lot of good when it comes to sleep. Kids are so different in that aspect.

As a side note, I wish my kids slept as much as yours do!!
post #6 of 10
1. I've heard about enough kids doing that that it must at least be a normal phase. And really, is it all that different from laying down on the floor and banging hands, feet, and head against the floor like in a stereotypical tantrum?

2. Lina's relatively good about asking for things where she's confident of the words. But like, if she's hungry for something she doesn't know yet, she's more likely to whine than to indicate "hungry". What helps somewhat is to ask yes/no questions. She generally drags me over to the area where whatever it is is kept so I'll know if she's looking for food vs. a toy, and then I start going through "Do you want x? Do you want y? How about some w? Oooh look, we've got q!" She'll cheerfully say "no, no, no, no" to that instead of continuing to whine and complain.

And I have this idea that it will eventually be helping her know the names of things. I'm really silly about it too "do you want lemon juice?" "do you want this torn-up envelope?" and sometimes it IS what she wanted, or is at least something that she'll go for.

3. Yeah, especially if he's in between growth spurts he could very well need less sleep. My little brother woke up at 5am from about age 2 through at least age 12. When he started learning the trumpet that was kind of fun. Good luck with dropping the nap, but I'd be careful, you don't want to end up with him cranky all afternoon and then going to sleep at 6pm to wake up at 2am.
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thank you all...I just needed a reality check. It's tough when you don't have much to compare to, that's why I love this place!

It's just especially frustrating when I know he knows the words for cereal, for example, and he just whines instead. I know exactly what he wants and he'll whine and point to it, but *refuses* to say the word. I'm just wondering if it's turning into a power struggle at this point and I should back off a bit for a while.
post #8 of 10
it's so interesting. just this morning I was noticing DS was doing the same thing - whining and pointing dramatically for the applesauce (that i was putting into his snack pack for daycare) rather than saying applesauce, which I know he knows how to say (b/c he is currently OBSESSED with applesauce).
I wonder why they choose to whine.
I mean, it's not like I deny him applesauce or any healthy food that he shows so much excitement for, so why the whining? it felt like he was anticipating i'd say "no," which really is totally weird.
post #9 of 10
To me that's all normal, normal, normal... Even if his sleep isn't "normal" amounts, it's not abnormal. Kids are all different with sleep. You could try "blackout" curtains in your bedroom to keep him sleeping longer. He probably rises with the sun? Normal. If you feel the early rise affects yours or his behaviour you could always try those curtains, but if you feel he's pretty balanced, I wouldn't worry.

Language is an art, he'll grasp it. At 2 my first DS had 8 words, now he's perfect and talks all the time and says many complicated and highly scientific words.

I would only worry about the head-bonking if the child were much older. I think he probably sees you get worried about it and has found "wow, this works! mommy's really watching me!" if he were doing it until he were bruised or bleeding, that's something else... but to me this is just another tool of a smart little toddler to get mom's attention (which is normal!).
post #10 of 10
My second, 18 mo. old is also named Leo!! Love it! He acts just like you described so I would say it falls into the normal camp. His older brother did not do the shrieking, or the constant grunting/whining for things because he was just incredibly verbal. Now my little Leo, while he has lots of words, he doesn't necessarily use them like his brother did. Mary
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