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post #1 of 7
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I have my now 4yo with me at home in the mornings (may attend local language pre-school part-time next year, but that still keeps him home for the rest of the day :-), in the afternoons ds2 of 6 is home, too. We are a multi-lingual (OPOL method plus additional language input), multi-cultural family. I only offer the 'minority' language, and offer learning and experience through this language to them, at home and beyond. My ideal is, in addition to everyday togetherness and learning through a variety of random experiences, to have at least a few occasions per week where I will actually sit down with my child(ren) (mostly seperate, rarely together :-) and actually get through some focussed 'learning activity/ies' with them, for instance through pre-school magazines/reading/writing/counting/vocabulary/word recognition/interesting topics. The main goal is a rich language/cultural input from my side of the family, which is also half of their heritage, and which I'd like to pass on to them for many good reasons.

I often find it hard to 'achieve' those goals set (and activities are not even stricty planned nor structured, it comes when it comes and we may take out the material needed when there is just a good vibe for it). But my ability to implement this always feels shortcoming. I'd also like to add that my youngest doesn't have a great attention capability and is, in my eyes, 'suspected spd'. So it takes a good insight in the day, his day and his vibe (and of course also mine and his brother's ;-) apart from anything else to be done to find a good moment for such active teaching with ds2 (the same counts for realising such activities with ds1, but that's somewhat easier because he can already work much more independently and canstimulate himself, and I was able to investe hugely in such activities with him when he was younger while his brother was napping).
What often happens (lol, or doesn't :-) is all being set for our plan only to get interrupted by a third party (may be dh, ds1, a neighbour dropping by, more often my ds2 wanting to play with neighbouring kid when he hears their voice(s) or sees them outside, or because of a (mostly the same)wandering neighbouring child wanting to come and play/distract ds because she is bored herself, ...). These things are not necessarily to be seen as negative, and I love for my son(s) to experience contacts with neighbourhood kids and unexpected fun. But in reality those often become unwelcome interruptions or change of plans preventing or disrupting the language/cultural 'schooling plans'. As I said, those ideal moments for doing so are already rare regarding my ds2 who has specific needs and characteristics, who is mostly very rigid in his expectations and who is pretty restless alltogether, so when I find a good moment with him, I grab it with both hands!

For instance, this morning, first springtime sunny morning, ds2 and I had our first outdoor breakfast of the year, and we had everything ready for our one on one activities (in 'minority' language/mother tongue), and not even 5 mins into it, our ever wandering neighborhood girl came along and basically creates another situation, and also: gone is the learning vibe. Result: me ending up entertaining the girl in environment language and unable to simultaneously trying to do what planned with ds in other language, and my own ds2 within minutes ending up playing on the terrace nextdoor with another young child. End of the day: there was no ideal moment anymore for another chance to take up the 'planned activity', nor to focus intensely on 'minorty language development'. and this perspective makes me sad, and frustrated. I also want to add that to me it does not feel right for me and my ds(s) to need to stay indoors to do these parent-child activities when weather outside is too nice to do so because other people might disrupt our 'method'.
I do my best to be a consensual person in the interactions with my family members (and beyond), I also have those learning moments with my children but those are never obligatory type 'lessons', more sit-down pleasant activities to do together, I never focus on those moments as lessons or have to's either and do not intend to, the whole thing should just be interesting and fun and connecting.
Also, a 4yo or 2yo girl (or even their mothers or grandparents) won't understand what it's all about for us, that this is important to us and to my childrens development. And basically spomeone elses presence, just makes otherwise planned activities not work for my ds2.
I really want to give my dss this richness (especially ds2 lacked in this regard in comparison to ds1) but I just seem to feel constantly disabled to do so, and I can say that am pretty flexible, but time goes fast and I see valuable things/moments getting lost this way.
Anyone who gets what I mean by this?
Did/do any of you experience(d) a similar situation? Any suggestions to do better?

In short: how do you deal with similar situations where you have certain homeschooling plans for the day, that are important to your family, and where those plans get (regularly and randomly) interrupted by others who are not actively homeschooling?
post #2 of 7
Hi... we basically unschool and that works well for us. We live in a bilingual region of Spain and English is my native language. Three languages float around us constantly and that seems to be fine as well, my 3.5 DS seems to be settling all the languages into their various places without a problem. Our house is rich in English language material and our environment is rich in Catalan and Spanish.

As for the interuptions from the neighbourhood girl, what about explaining to her that this is a special time when you are going to do "x" only speaking your mother tongue and nothing else. If she wants to stay fine, but if the language bothers her, she is free to come back in a while. I've found that different kids in our neighbourhood are more open to activities in my language than others. I actually speak to my kids in English almost all the time regardless of who we're with and the kids around know that.
post #3 of 7
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I'll try that again of course. The girl however is very persistent. Big part of the problem is also that my ds just gets too easily distracted when a third party gets involved. And it also distracts me, tbh, because I just get the feeling I should also entertain the party joining us. That's why our relatively 'quiet' mornings together, when ds1 is still at pre-school, are so precious to us for our one on one time and for quiet homeschooling activities once in a while. And when both kids are at home the vibe immediately changes to very crazy and challenging tornado-mode and it's very hard to try and bend this to a more quiet athmosphere again.
post #4 of 7
I've been thinking about your situation off and on.... I was wondering how this girl reacts if you make a big effort to continue in your mother tongue? I know from experience that the most normal thing in the world is to naturally click into the language that works with each person (I routinely hold conversations in 2 or 3 languages at a time ), but would she get bored and wander off if you were strict about this with yourself?

Also, what's your language dynamic? I feel like I might be exceptionally lucky because our minority language is English which gives me easy access to a lot of material and the general population here (even kids) recognize it as a "valuable skill", but it sounds like you're worried about not having enough opportunities to flush out rich linguistic opportunities with your son. Is there anyway to build up the "menu" of activities he can choose from in your mother tongue? Apart from spending the day with me and visits from relatives, we have LOTS of books for reading aloud (and resupply a lot), DVDs, music, kid's magazines and use the internet for more stuff. When we go out for walks, garden, cook, do experiments, etc, we do it all in my language. I've been following blogs to get more ideas for a range of activities, mostly so we can keep having lots of fun, but I suppose it also broadens our vocabulary. I've been really fascinated to see how well my little guy is organizing all of this linguistic information and his little sister seems to be following right along.

I'm actually super curious about this topic. Not to steal the thread, but would love to know if there are more multilingual unschoolers out there and how it plays out in their families

Just wanted to edit to add that as imaginative play has taken off, I've noticed that a lot more English is appearing as he invents and "steals" from the stuff he's read, watched, listened to, so that the individual play itself has been generating a lot more English lately
post #5 of 7
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Oh well, we do practise OPOL in communication with the children, and we're pretty strict about that, so I speak my mother tongue with my children at all times, indoors, outdoors, at other people's homes, etc.
Only, when others (locals) are around I need to adress THEM in their language, you can't just always ignore them lol and I do not want that either (well, sometimes, I admit I do but that's when find our boundaries are not being respected), and my 4yo then easily switch to that language too so it becomers very hard to (re)focus on our language-focused activity then. But I will never speak another ('the' other) language to my children just because others who won't understand our 'mothertongue'. What I do, and only when it is necessary or relevant, or sometimes just for being polite and give the person an idea what it's about, is to repeat what I said to my child in the other language to the bystanders/company, not to the letter, but at least shortly.

Some people just do not seem to get there is a method in opol, and that it is very important to stick to that. If I would speak the environment language just for the sake of others being more comfortable around you 'with the foreign language', my children would not learn much of their mother's tongue at all! I still remember a pre-school manager 'suggesting' I would address my child not in our mother tongue at pick-up time, for her comfort it seems, and at the same time stressing importance of 'English language lessons' in her program, ahum, do you see whst I see?

I know what you mean with multiple languages being heard at the same time, because, depending on the company and their origin/the languages they speak, there's mostly 2,3 or 4 languages being exchanged, lol. Sometimes words of one language may slide into another language's use, that's called code switching btw, this mostly happens in conversations between me and dh or when dh speaks with his family, since communication in these settings is based on several languages.

It's not really code switching or language switching itself that's an issue cfr. homeschooling/language input, luckily (but some may get very dizzy from the kind of conversations we have, however, we're so used to it ourselves that we hardly notice it anymore).

It's only just that in the situation described in the op, when we plan on a mothertongue activity where focus really is on language input and development.

I found one of the reasons that are so important for me being a sahm, for my child(ren) to attend 'only' part-time pre-school, or not even pre-school yet, is language input and therefrom stemming my intention to homeschool them as much as I can and with what I can offer in my mothertongue, their 'mother's tongue'. We have a lot of resources, books, magazines, dvds, some music, educational interactive dvds, and I look for interesting internet resources. There's also a 3h/week small scale languageprogram which my 6yo attends and my 4yo may attend too next year (if he's ready), my 6yo loves it.

I find that it would be much 'easier' for me if I would also just be a local language mother intending to consciously put an effort in pre-school age homeschooling, that way any particular language focussed activity could include others easily ands could be more easily bended to a changed situation, too.
This is, in reality, just more complex in a multi-lingual situation, imo.
For us it mostly means: change of situation, change of dynamic, activity=over, and fatalistic 'lost chance' feeling for mom, again
And so it is MUCH easier to implement this on cloudy/cold/rainy days, indoors.

I am so grateful for all the visits of my family so far, great language input, and they also really do an effprt with bringing materials and reading to my children. This Summer I'd like a long vacation with my family and that would be great for language boost, for sure.

Lol, now I also went off topic :-).

Btw, ignoring the girl DOESN'T work!
post #6 of 7
I struggled with this for two years - all through our DS1's "pre-K" year and "K" year. We had stuff to do out of the house in the mornings and I wanted to do focused time with him in the afternoons. And sometimes we get a late start in the afternoon because DS2 doesn't settle down for a nap or just some quiet time to leave us alone for a while until after 2. I didn't need a lot of uninterrupted time with him, but I couldn't even get 20 minutes, because of interruptions from neighbor kids who were home from morning kindy or hopping off the school bus right as we were getting into our groove.

This fall, when the school bus came for the first morning of school and he was not on it for what would have been his first grade year, homeschooling suddenly felt more serious and a bit scary to me. It was important to me that we get some work done each day. When the bus dropped kids off at 3 pm and it was like automatic "playtime !!!", I realized this was going to be a problem time every single day. I felt a lot of pressure to get our school time done by 3 PM, even though this completely does not work for our own rhythm. After a week of being stressed about finishing by 3, I had a fit of irritation about having to comply with a schedule that isn't mine and does not work for us, and I made a sign for the door !!! I don't know why I never though of it before. It's construction paper, a red square and a brown triangle roof, and it says "School in Session...Please Don't Knock !" I also took a blank white door hanger and wrote "SCHOOL TIME !" on it. I hang them both on the door. Neighbor kids leave us alone. DS1 knows that on the days he gets his work done by 3 PM and he wants to, he can go out and play. On the days we have other activities and we start school at 2:30, or the days he chooses to wait to start it because he's involved in other things, the sign will go up. The arrival of the bus (which is only one house away) no longer signals the end of our focused time together. Now when we are working, we take our time and have better focus on what we are doing. The real test will be this summer. I want one hour a day of focused time with him. Summers have been really stressful for me in the past, because I don't deal well with having the flow of our day interrupted at random times. I hope the sign will work then too.

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Originally Posted by ernalala View Post
In short: how do you deal with similar situations where you have certain homeschooling plans for the day, that are important to your family, and where those plans get (regularly and randomly) interrupted by others who are not actively homeschooling?
post #7 of 7
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Thanks for the idea! I keep it as a last resort, but it might only work when we 'work' indoors :-), btw I have done this on occasion when my baby was sleeping. It may be a useful tool for next year, when ds1 will attend primary school, which isn't a full day of school in this country, in case we plan an activity at home in the hours left to us.
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