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post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by RedOakMomma View Post
This struck me as off
my point was that basic good parenting stuff stays the same:
love, consistency, patience, reliability, flexibility... Those things stay the same. Every child is unique; how you parent depends on the child, but AP isn't a set of rules, it's a perspective.
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by heatherdeg View Post
And in most states (if you adopt from foster care) this includes breastfeeding. My daughter was placed with us at 12 days old as an adoptive placement--not a foster child. Her mother gave her up and signed everything necessary (father was unknown). But legally, we couldn't nurse her. I nursed my bio son until he weaned himself at 5yo so I'm very much "for" bfing, but I didn't see the need to risk my daughter's placement for bfing. We can bond in plenty of other ways.
I'm in Canada, so the rules are slightly different here - while there's a slim possibility that we would be in a foster-to-adopt situation (very very slim), we're more likely going to be in a private adoption situation. Breastfeeding is not prohibited prior to finaliztion in those cases (I guess it might be a problem, but I checked out the social worker who would be overseeing the placement before I hired her).

Same with co-sleeping - we obviously have enough beds for everyone (though the dog will always sleep on the floor - if the kids want to join him, that's fine with me ). She checked that, of course, but also heard a couple stories that indirectly showed that we cosleep in various combinations and didn't press the question further.
post #23 of 30
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Too funny, my DS co-sleeps with at least one, sometimes both of the dogs. Usually one at the foot of his bed and one cuddled around his neck (don't worry she is only three pounds).
I have a great picture of the dog sleeping squarely on the bed, and my son sleeping...on the floor I guess she shoved him out or something

It was not our plan to let the dog sleep in the bed, but...she is a retired guide dog, and is very good about following the rules, except that he talked her into getting in bed, and, well...the rest is history. Strangely enough, she will not get in the bed when we are gone or if they are not naptime/bedtime.
post #24 of 30
Something else I wanted to mention is that even though the risk of attachment disorder is apparently (anecdotally--not sure there is actually research) less likely the younger the baby, there is always the possibility. Situations surrounding birth, number of early caregivers, if the baby stays in the hospital vs going to a foster home--all of these can and will affect them even at just a few days old. One thing our SW told us is that all adopted children and babies have attachment issues--issues related to their adoption--that you have to help them work through. The difference is in how they present and how severe they are.

In the case of my middle child, they were pretty short lived and he adjusted very smoothy. In the case of my youngest, it affected him much more, and we are still dealing with its aftereffects. I suspect he will carry some into adulthood (trust of other people especially). Both had similar experiences in excellent foster care, although the youngest came home at 1y and the middle at 5.5m.

When they have trauma issues, sometimes you deal with them in ways that look, at first, to be very un-AP. For example, with my youngest who is now is preschool...He loves his school, his teacher, playing with his friends. He is not ready to go home when we pick him up. BUT he often still cries like you will never come back when he is dropped of. (we had a period of no tears, but now they are back recently, as Mama is hurt and unable to be herself and his world is topsy turvy again with Daddy and friends doing the drop off). My AP self would, and did with the other 2, stay and comfort and transition them to someone else's care, providng reassurance that they would trust and find solace in and they would go willingly with my promise of return. I tried that with him, because that is just what you do, never leave them crying, right? But Isaac...he will cry and scream like he is being physically injured. The longer you stay, the longer the tears, the more hysterical, and the longer it will take him to calm down. But if I leave, he is fine within 5 seconds (I have hid around the corner and counted). For him, drop off itself is not the problem, it is the sensation that he remembers of being handed off yet again. To him, is is subconscious reminder of a painful moment of leaving each caregiver that came before me, much how we may associate a scent of cologne with a long departed grandfather and get misty eyed. Because he was so young, it is a "sense memory" based on the physical sensations of leaving someone's arms and going to another person. The longer I stay, the greater the sense of anticipation of that moment that he knows is coming. He will then begin to cling and grasp and be so fearful. For him, it is more AP to hand off quickly, with a reassurance that I will be back that afternoon, a quick kiss, and a quick departure. Me not making it a big deal and being matter of fact, followed by reassurances throughout the day that I will be coming back this afternoon when he asks his teacher, is what he needs to feel secure.
post #25 of 30
it's fascinating to me how some children have attachment issues and some don't, regardless of the ages in which they lost family or previous caregivers.

My bio son has a fairly insecure attachment to us, and he has almost never left my presence for the last 8 years (due in large part to his insecure attachment ). He's just a really analytical person, and his mind goes to the worst case scenario -- he asks questions like "would you hate me if I..." and is always trying to find what our breaking point would be, doesn't at all trust being left with other people, and is just really, really insecure about a lot of things. that's hard to take when your primary goal in raising children was to raise confident, secure children with high self-esteem... we have far less control of that than we liked to believe! It's getting better as he gets older, but honestly, raising kids -- any kid from any womb -- is a crapshoot!
post #26 of 30
I was thinking about this in the shower, and felt the need to clarify a little... we have a wonderful attachment to our son, and he to us, and I think our solid relationship with him and the parenting strategies we've used over the years (on our good days ) have made him feel as secure as he is capable of being at this point in his life. He's just a worrier by nature, and as a result of considering every possibility of every situation in life, he can be insecure at times, and is insecure in all of his relationships.

I didn't want to compare him to children with true attachment disorders, or belittle that experience in any way. My only point was that the resilience and easy-going nature of some children can get them through just about anything, and then there are children who have had the easiest and most loving life imaginable who constantly feel insecure in relationships. sigh.
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by marsupial-mom View Post
my point was that basic good parenting stuff stays the same:
love, consistency, patience, reliability, flexibility... Those things stay the same. Every child is unique; how you parent depends on the child, but AP isn't a set of rules, it's a perspective.
I hope I didn't offend. I think I misunderstood your first post. For the most part, I agree with your second post. I'd guess that almost all of the time, that's true.

I do think attachment disorders or challenges CAN alter things like normal levels of flexibility, reliability, and consistency and make outward appearances seem very anti-AP. I always think of an older poster here who had such struggles with the daughter she brought home as a pre-teen...the normal ways to parent a child just made things worse, and the AP perspective had to be completely turned on its head. I think that's what can make it so hard for some parents (though I'm nowhere near being able to say this for sure)...that they have to choose levels of consistency, patience, reliability, and flexibility that feel WRONG to them as parents, or against their beliefs and ideals, in order for their children to make progress.

In the end, that's a very unnatural way of parenting, or at the very least uncomfortable, and so I think that parenting an adopted child can be VERY different than parenting a biological child.
post #28 of 30
I think it's important to note that there is a real difference between attachment as we usually talk about here and true attachment disorders. Attachment disorders are brain damage some of which is irreversible. Some attachment parenting techniques will actually backfire when applied to a child with an attachment disorder. As the former forum poster discovered, some children need to be parented differently. It's all so individual and you have to be ready to completely change what you are doing.
post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by Polliwog View Post
I think it's important to note that there is a real difference between attachment as we usually talk about here and true attachment disorders. Attachment disorders are brain damage some of which is irreversible. Some attachment parenting techniques will actually backfire when applied to a child with an attachment disorder. As the former forum poster discovered, some children need to be parented differently. It's all so individual and you have to be ready to completely change what you are doing.
And dealing with true attachment disorders is extremely foreign and seemingly illogical and counterproductive to most people... even moreso to the AP community. I feel for people who have to deal with the disorder and then battle the rest of the world to attempt to explain or defend what they're doing.
post #30 of 30
really the crux of parenting a child with a true attachment disorder is not so much about helping them to attach to you -- because for some kids, that's just not possible, really -- but about helping them figure out appropriate behavior, and finding what will motivate them to act "as if" they have attachments -- most people act within the framework of attached relationships, but for kids with severe RAD, it's more about behavior management... right? I'm talking about severe cases -- most kids with milder attachment issues can work through them with therapy and parenting strategies that work for them.

is that accurate? I would guess that even kids with severe RAD will feel love and security fleetingly here and there, but for the most part you're trying to raise them to understand the rules of society, which are harder for people to follow when they don't have loving bonds in the world.

attachment parenting (MDC style) is pretty much 100% based on the notion that kids will "behave" (for the most part) when they are attached because they care about their attachments and want to live in social harmony. kids with RAD don't have that luxury. and then if you throw FASD in the mix...
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