Reasons not to vax: in 6 words or less -- *UPDATED* in post 1

[HappyMommy2]

Let's create a list of reasons people decide against some or all vaccines.... but just bullet points!

I want to have an easy to read list that newbies (like me!) can quickly read & understand, and then go elsewhere for deeper investigation. Honestly, the info out there is totally overwhelming!

I'll start with the ones I have read. Please help with more specific reasons!!

1. Pharma focus: money not health
2. Chicken Pox is not that deadly
3. Ingredients: Mercury (thimerisol)
4. Ingredients: aborted fetal cells
5. Our bodies have amazing immune systems
6. You might get the disease anyway!
7. Lack of research
8. Gov't protection against pharma/doc liability
9. Chicken Pox Vax ---> increased shingles cases
10. My baby does not have STD's!
11. "potential" Side effects: autism
12. Vax'd people can *transmit* the disease
13. Recent increase in doctor-suggested schedule
14. Demonization of previously benign childhood illnesses
15. ingredients: aluminum
16. ingredients: Formaldehyde
17. Live vaccines could actually cause the disease

------ More reasons from insightful MDC Mamas ---------

18. I almost died; allergies are familial.
19. What goes in cannot come out.
20. I will never be the same
21. side effects: brain injury or death
22. unexplained/unforeseeable problems with vaccines
23. The risks outweigh the benefits.
24. Immunity wears off.
25. Ingredients are known toxins when ingested
26. "We know what we're doing" mindset
27. I trust my instincts.
28. injected toxins bypass natural intestinal defenses
29. Vaccination does not imply immunization.
30. Non-vaccination does not imply non-immunity
31. Routinely vaccinating against HepB at birth.
32. Benefits don't outweigh the risks
33.
34.
35.

[claddaghmom]

I almost died; allergies are familial.

[KimberlyD0]

Things your husband or other researched vaxers would point out.

3. Ingredients: Mercury (thimerisol) Is not in most vaccines. Flu shots are generally the only ones with it and not all of them have it and you can request a thimerisol free one.

4. Ingredients: aborted fetal cells There is no actually fetal cells in the vaccines. Never has been. The vaccine was origionally cultured on an aborted fetus but no cells were transfered. Any that had these 30-40 years old even trace amounts would be gone.


5. Our bodies have amazing immune systems People die everyday of stupid illnesses. Just because our bodies have a great immune system doesn't mean its perfict. Thousands of people, children included have a poor or NO immune system. Like cancer patients, or children wit certine medical or genetic disorders.


6. You might get the disease anyway! If you do get it its more mild. If you don't get vaxed your risk of getting it is much higher.

7. Lack of research there is lack of research to support non vaxing too.

11. Side effects: autism Weak argument since there is no science to back this up. Ypu want to use strong acurite information. If you go with the Autism aurgument is sounds desperate and like fear.

14. Demonization of previously benign childhood illnesses there is the other side of this too. The side that denies how bad some of these can be.

15. ingredients: aluminum in water, food, and our enviroment in higher amounts.

16. ingredients: Formaldehyde in water, food, and our enviroment in higher amounts. The human body also make formaldehyde everytime our cells seperate. So a billion times a day. Also a much higher rate and level then vaxes.



Just giving some idea's to prevent giving weak aruments. You wont win your case with weak reasons.

Originally Posted by claddaghmom

I almost died; allergies are familial.

Now thats a really good reason.

[PrincessAnika]

6. You might get the disease anyway! If you do get it its more mild. If you don't get vaxed your risk of getting it is much higher.

not necessarily more mild.....SIL just got a MISERABLE case of chixpox and she was vaxed....dr said it was full blown all out could not have been much worse.

op....brain freeze but when i think of it again i will post.

[ASusan]

What goes in cannot come out.

[Kailey's mom]

I will never be the same

[Kailey's mom]

side effects: brain injury or death

[zinemama]

I wouldn't make a decision about anything this serious based on bullet points and it wouldn't convince me to dig deeper, either.

[ema-adama]

I have to agree with zinemama, bullet point reasons why not to vax would not have helped me in my choice, nor in my journey of questioning vaccines.

What got my attention was the 'we know exactly what we are doing' mindset, quickly followed by unexplained/unforeseeable problems with vaccines.

Think - one measles vaccine will eradicate measles from the planet.... then it's just two, now it looks like it will be three, and the goal of eradicating measles is not being realised, with a likelihood that it never will be.

Think - we'll eradicate polio with the Salk vaccine. Oops, sorry, make that the Sabin vaccine, ooops, sorry, make that the IPV. And we're not really sure what to do about VDPV.

We're going to get rid of that nasty bug that causes meningitis. Oh, there are other serotypes that fill the gap? Don't worry, we're making a vaccine for those serotypes too.

To name a few....

[newmum35]

"The risks outweigh the benefits."

To further research this argument, be sure to read ALL Of the manufacturer's insert material for each vaccine you are considering. That will be a good starting point. Also read Vaers reports keeping in mind those are a small fraction (10% or so) of the true number. But it will give you an idea of which vaccines are more reactive than others. Research the statistics of how likely it is to acquire the disease (how many reported cases per year, both in the country, in your state you live for example), and then read up on what it is like to experience the disease if you do get it (the average case, the mild case, and the extreme case) as well as whether or not it is treatable and if so, what the course of treatment will be like.

Go through this point with every vaccine and VPD one by one, to find out which you both agree or disagree on.


"Immunity wears off."

Self-explanatory. With many of the vaccines they give now, I'd prefer to get the wild virus and gain true immunity for a lifetime (chickenpox and flu for example) as opposed to relying on vaccines and boosters for a lifetime.

[karika]

I made sure he understood that it would be my decision since I was the only one doing the research. If he had decided to research too, we could have discussed options if we disagreed. But I was the only one researching. By this I mean, the stance of doing it just because they think they should or were told it was the 'right' thing is not good enough. Research on both sides, pro and con would have to be done by him to have any sort of intelligent conversation about it. Frankly, once I found out what I found out, I would've left him over it if he didn't agree. To me, it is a matter of protecting your child. This site presents pros and cons I just had it given to me so I pass it on to you. http://vaccines.procon.org/

For a bullet point, the ingredients are known toxins when ingested, injecting them so that they pass by the natural body's defenses is even more dangerous.

[HappyMommy2]

Hey guys, This question is not meant to offend anyone! I am not trying to *convince* anyone in 6 words or less.

An easy-to-read list of specific reasons would help me a lot, and therefore possibly help others.

While the ingredient list might resonate with some, some want anecdotal evidence from other mamas, and others may find the pharmaceutical ethics issues to resonate most.

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Great additions, mamas! I will add them to the first post.... thanks!

[Turquesa]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

15. ingredients: aluminum in water, food, and our enviroment in higher amounts.

You made some good points in your post, but this one implies: "Heck, we're already getting lots of aluminum. Let's add some more!"

[ASusan]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

I have to agree with zinemama, bullet point reasons why not to vax would not have helped me in my choice, nor in my journey of questioning vaccines.

What got my attention was the 'we know exactly what we are doing' mindset, quickly followed by unexplained/unforeseeable problems with vaccines.

Think - one measles vaccine will eradicate measles from the planet.... then it's just two, now it looks like it will be three, and the goal of eradicating measles is not being realised, with a likelihood that it never will be.

Think - we'll eradicate polio with the Salk vaccine. Oops, sorry, make that the Sabin vaccine, ooops, sorry, make that the IPV. And we're not really sure what to do about VDPV.

We're going to get rid of that nasty bug that causes meningitis. Oh, there are other serotypes that fill the gap? Don't worry, we're making a vaccine for those serotypes too.

To name a few....

7 words (bolding mine)

How about: "We know exactly what we're doing." ?

[MountainMamaGC]

I trust my instincts.

[Tracy]

Originally Posted by Kailey's mom

side effects: brain injury or death

yep. I have two children in my world who were brain damaged by vaccines.


we already know brain swelling has a link to autism. no way vax for us.

[nia82]

I dont have much time now, but there is a difference between ingesting poisonous stuff and injecting it. Our intestines have great defenses, a lot of Al in food is excreted properly, however if injected, it is not excreted as it goes directly in your body bypassing the first defense: the intestinal/abdominal tract. There are studies about Al absorption specifically, if any of you have them handy, please link

So yes, I find the toxins very worrisome, as there IS a difference between eating and injecting them. Not the same.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by nia82

I dont have much time now, but there is a difference between ingesting poisonous stuff and injecting it. Our intestines have great defenses, a lot of Al in food is excreted properly, however if injected, it is not excreted as it goes directly in your body bypassing the first defense: the intestinal/abdominal tract. There are studies about Al absorption specifically, if any of you have them handy, please link

So yes, I find the toxins very worrisome, as there IS a difference between eating and injecting them. Not the same.

Yup...this arguement always irritates me. I mean just because ingesting something maybe less harmful, doesn't automatically make injecting it harmless. People eat hamburgers everyday, most don't have problems with this. So I guess that means that liquifying a hamburger in a blender, filling a hyperdermic needles with the contents and injecting it directly into your bloodstream would be harmless right? I dare someone to try...let us know how that turns out

[claddaghmom]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Yup...this arguement always irritates me. I mean just because ingesting something maybe less harmful, doesn't automatically make injecting it harmless. People eat hamburgers everyday, most don't have problems with this. So I guess that means that liquifying a hamburger in a blender, filling a hyperdermic needles with the contents and injecting it directly into your bloodstream would be harmless right? I dare someone to try...let us know how that turns out

That made my 1st trimester stomach lurch lol!

I always turn this one around on the parents, too. If they tell me "oh it's only .5mcg of Thimerosal" then I like to say, "Well how about you eat .5mcg of Thimerosal everytime your baby gets a vaccine with it in it?"

[emma1325]

Vaccination does not imply immunization.

Non-vaccination does not imply non-immunity.