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post #1 of 22
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I can't believe that I am here writing this. I also can't believe that I have not been here sooner writing this. I think my marriage is over, for good. I will give the shortest "in a nutshell" version that I can.

About 5 years ago, we got in the biggest fight ever. He had been borderline verbally abusive in the past (during arguments) but never like that night. He threw a heavy glass jar in my direction and it accidentally hit DD who was crawling around at the time. It never would have hit more than my feet, so I believed him when he told me afterwards that he was not throwing it AT me, but in that moment, I was so scared because he continued to scream and threaten me, as I scooped up DD. I ended up taking her to the ER with a big bump on her forehead. I was so wound up and scared and shocked...all that is running through my head at the time is that this is the beginning of abuse and it cannot be happening to me...I called the police on my way to the hospital. They ended up arresting DH that evening. I stayed in a hotel that night, sure that we were finished, but came home the next day to meet with him and a CPS case worker. At his court date, I told the judge that it was an accident, that he was throwing the jar on the ground, not at DD and not at me. The case was dismissed.

After months and months of not knowing what to do (stay or go), I decided I still loved him and wanted to work through it. We sort of fell into a "normal" pattern, the unspoken remained unspoken and we continued our life. We fought occasionally, but never like that again, though he still tended to get verbally abusive when fighting. We NEVER spoke about that night after the day his case was dismissed.

This past New Year's Eve, we got in an argument and he raised that night to express how he could never really trust me again. While I had found it in my heart to forgive him for his mistakes that night, he clearly had never really forgiven me for calling the police. We talked and while we both agreed that this would remain there in between us, we both still loved each other, etc. We did not talk about it again over the past months.

Then he recently travelled overseas (home country). When he arrived at Immigration, they gave him a hard time as his arrest showed up in the system as an open case. We are going to tomorrow to get the record as we thought the case was closed.

We exchanged few words over the past few days. I came home from work and went to the room to cry. He came in and basically accused me of all this being my fault. I mumbled something about the fact that this is always going to be there between us. Part of me was hoping that we would talk it out. Instead, he said yes and walked away.

OVer the past 5 years, our marriage had its ups and downs...sometimes feeling that I cannot believe that my marriage is not what I expected, other times feeling that everything between us was fine...a charade with the rest of the world and a charade between us...we are even in the midst of househunting...maybe that perfect house will help to sell the charade, to us, to others because, of course, only a lovely family would live in such a lovely house.

I don't know where this is leading after tomorrow. I cannot come to terms with the idea of a divorce. Of DD not having Daddy there at home with her. He has a lot of good qualities. He is not a bad person. I think that we both made regrettable choices that fateful night. We cannot undo it. We cannot seem to get past it. Though I got past my anger at him for getting so out of control, I cannot help but be angry that, after 5 years, he cannot see his role in any of the current mess. According to him, it is all my fault. THAT makes angry and sad.

For the first time in our marriage, I went to bed this evening without speaking to him, but I could not sleep. I feel so alone, so uncertain, so in shock. Fearful of it being over. Fearful of falling back into our charade, a no man's land where nothing is resolved...I have nobody that I have told any of this to in real life. I just cannot face that. This is not supposed to be MY life. MY life was supposed to be different.

I have spent the last years avoiding this forum and Parents as Partners... reading about the problems of others would have been too close to home... better to avoid it because, after all, THAT was not what MY life was supposed to look like.

But here I am...it is MY life...and it always will be, which is the part that I have the hardest time getting over. I will never have the marriage or life that I wanted. This is not what DD's parents' life is supposed to be like. I am so sad, for myself, for her, even for him. I don't want DD to feel the sadness between us. My parents divorced a few years ago after many years of apparent sadness between them. As their adult child, it brings me such sadness. I did not want DD to feel such sadness. Part of me would be willing to agree to remain married, living together as her parents, united by the only thing that has probably kept us going this long. I think that he would be willing to do the same.

Thank you for reading this far. I am going to bed now...hoping to escape this life for just a few hours...
post #2 of 22
just sending you a hug and wishing you peace
couldn't read and not post
post #3 of 22
I'm really sorry to hear that. You must be exhausted and drained. Hugs to you.

I just want to say that you were not in the wrong that night of your big fight, and that is something you two could move beyond if he was willing to. (Which I'm not sure from what you wrote). You reacted in the best way you could that night to protect your daughter. Even if it was an accident, he was still throwing glass around and you had to go to the hospital with her, that is significant. Like you said you forgave him, and he could do the same at the least. I'm sure you've thought about all this tons.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you two are meant to move beyond that night, it is possible. If he is totally unwilling, then there's nothing you can do. Think of all the other things people go through too- cheating for example, some move beyond, some don't. It's not like you or he did that. IMHO he's turning this (old) situation on you- making you the one that did wrong when really he did by throwing the glass and also being verbally abusive. Saying now he can't trust you- BS! You extended yourself to trust him again. It makes me so mad when people are mean and then kind in relationships so you still love them but they hurt you. But that's another post. Don't be manipulated. Make sure you are getting other perspectives outside your relationship. Be around strong women and positive people.

Anyways, if he might be willing to live together as parents like you said, would he not be able to try some therapy? He needs to reframe that night in his mind and I feel that he's seeing it only from his perspective. At minimum couldn't he appreciate what you did for his daughter (yours too), that you protected her? I would want my partner to do that if I "lost it" or wasn't around. You did the right thing.

I went through something with BF when we first got together, I thought we'd never get over. One week before we officially 'hooked up', I had a 10 minute fling (no sex) with a friend of his. I stopped it and was like this is silly, let's stop. And it was, to me, a freak moment. Well two weeks later BF finds this out and goes crazy for a few days. Gosh it was so early in the relationship, we hadn't even kissed! Anyways, I really liked BF and we worked through it. But I kept thinking how did the 10 minutes of foolishness ruin the potential love of my life?! I was SO hard on myself. I thought even if we stayed together, this "thing" would never go away, and would always be between us. Well it's 2 years later now, and I feel pretty sure we're in the clear. Actually having our first baby in August. I tell you this story just because I really thought I had "screwed it up" for good, and that wasn't true. AND most importantly, if your man can't get over it, than I think you deserve better anyways. He's being selfish and inflexible.

Feeling for you! The right thing WILL work out. All you have to do is be true to your self and respect yourself as well...and rest and maybe give a little power to the universe, it's not all on you!
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post #5 of 22
I am so sorry you are experiencing this. I'm not sure from your post if the verbal/emotional abuse is on-going? You sound really scared and sad. The charade you speak of, I know that feeling. But you can only ignore something for so long. If it will always be there between you and he is unwilling/unable to forgive you, then you need to decide if you can live like that? Mistakes happen, we make bad choices. How we handle our relationships after those bad choices is important. If you can forgive him, but he can't forgive you, then it might be best to end things. If there is still emotional/verbal abuse taking place, it would be best to end things then too. I agree with the PP that said he is being selfish and you deserve better. If he was going to forgive you, 5 years is plenty of time to do so.
post #6 of 22
Oh honey I am so sorry that this is happening to you and your DD

I think a lot of us would have called the police that night. Bottom line is is that throwing things at people is wrong. Out of all of the abuse my STBX put me through, the throwing things is what sticks out the most. That might not be true for everyone, but to me that is the most scary thing to have happen.

Will he go to counseling? If you want to work it out you are going to need to be able to talk through this. I would bring up counseling and see what he says. If he is not willing to see that this is not all your fault, then it will always be there

This is NOT your fault. You did NOTHING wrong. I can not stress that enough
post #7 of 22


To me his blaming you for the whole deal is a red flag. If my DH threw something in anger and it hit our kid HE would have wanted to take her to hospital and told the truth so the police were called, it wouldn't have been left to me - he would have felt so terrible about it. He wouldn't try to blame me for HIS actions and he wouldn't hold that invented blame over me for years.

He sounds inflexible and childish. Perhaps you would be happier out of this charade?
post #8 of 22
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Thanks to everybody who read my long and winding post. We have not tried counseling...obviously long overdue. I understand that he was totally humiliated at the airport the other day (who would not be?) and I am the "natural" person for him to blame for that humiliation because I called the cops 5 years ago. He just does not get how scared I was of him that night...he honestly believes his own words too much. He thinks that telling me, ""Trust me, if I wanted to hit you with that, I would not have missed" relieves him of any responsibility for what happened that night. He also does not get that those words actually sound threatening rather than "comforting" to me. I am tired of the blame game. He thinks that the fact that he is sometimes nasty to his sister or mother, that it excuses it...afterall, he is that way with everybody so I should just deal with it and not take it so personally.

I know in my heart of hearts that I did, in that moment, what was right that night. No woman should ever feel what I felt that night. I hoped that it would be a wake up call to him, but instead he somehow became the victim. Afterall, I had no injury and have no official arrest and court record. He reminds me that he will always have that. He is therefore the victim, the one to suffer and I could have prevented that.

And he blames me for all sorts of things. He came to the US for my sake so it was my responsibility to create a social life for us. I am an introvert and not very social. So the fact that, after all these years, that we do not have close friends in this city, it is MY fault. He just completed a PhD which meant that he was working by himself from most of the time, so again, it is my fault that we do not have a social life. It was my sole responsibility to find us friends. He has been suffering from depression due to the self-inflicted PhD isolation. Surely that is my fault too. I understand that he misses his friends and family in his home country.

This relationship has been too much responsibility for me. I have told him many times that it is unfair that I should carry the full load. I cannot be the only one responsible for his happiness or lack thereof anymore.

Today is just going to totally suck...going to the courthouse to get the record to find out what it says. I think that the case was never "dismissed" but "suspended" so that it just sits there for a few years until it is officially closed. I don't think that he remembers that part of the discussion with the lawyer and judge. And I cannot remember how many years it was to be. Not that it really matters. A "closed case" is not going to change where our relationship is. I am truly sorry that he had to be humiliated at the airport and I am sorry for the fact that it can happen again, the next time he travels (though it never happened before). But I cannot change that for him. He cannot change that for him.

I think that there is just too much unhappiness for us to ever get over it.

Gotta go...DD just got up...
post #9 of 22
[QUOTE=amma_mama;15175253] He just does not get how scared I was of him that night...he honestly believes his own words too much. He thinks that telling me, ""Trust me, if I wanted to hit you with that, I would not have missed" relieves him of any responsibility for what happened that night. He also does not get that those words actually sound threatening rather than "comforting" to me. /QUOTE]

That was my thought exactly - this is not a comfort, it's a threat.
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by Bunnyflakes View Post
Oh honey I am so sorry that this is happening to you and your DD

I think a lot of us would have called the police that night. Bottom line is is that throwing things at people is wrong. Out of all of the abuse my STBX put me through, the throwing things is what sticks out the most. That might not be true for everyone, but to me that is the most scary thing to have happen.

Will he go to counseling? If you want to work it out you are going to need to be able to talk through this. I would bring up counseling and see what he says. If he is not willing to see that this is not all your fault, then it will always be there

This is NOT your fault. You did NOTHING wrong. I can not stress that enough
ITA. When my STBX threw things at me, it was the scariest and most humiliating times of his abuse. He would throw things like dirty rags, keys, candles etc.

I know how hard and scary separation and divorce is. I am going through it myself and it took a long time (over 8 years with STBX) to be able to leave him. It is tough but I am very proud of myself for getting out of such an unhealthy and toxic situation.

I wish you the best, follow your heart and keep thinking about what you really want.

post #11 of 22
I'm sorry for your pain.
post #12 of 22
I'm happy you are in your home country and he's not. Right now I feel for you very much and I'm mad at him! He seems incredibly childish... I agree with the post that said it's a red flag that he Would blame you for that night. That was a good way to put it.

About the social life thing, again- not your sole responsibility! I moved to Europe for my BF (and I like Europe too). It's hard at times but I'm very social and I have lots more friends then he does here, and in fact I'm the one coordinating our social life when we want to have one. Sure I'd like it if he suggested a few things here and there, but as an adult, I realize I'm responsible for my needs and making them happen. And your guy was in school- well I guess when it's a PhD you write alone but still he could have made contacts with the school.

Sorry my posts keep getting long, I'm just angry for you! Do you have a good support network to help you make the break if you do?

One last thing, if the court case isn't closed, and you are going to break up, I wouldn't bother helping him figure it out. You have already paid too much the last 5 years.
post #13 of 22
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I'm happy you are in your home country and he's not. Right now I feel for you very much and I'm mad at him! He seems incredibly childish... I agree with the post that said it's a red flag that he Would blame you for that night. That was a good way to put it.

About the social life thing, again- not your sole responsibility! I moved to Europe for my BF (and I like Europe too). It's hard at times but I'm very social and I have lots more friends then he does here, and in fact I'm the one coordinating our social life when we want to have one. Sure I'd like it if he suggested a few things here and there, but as an adult, I realize I'm responsible for my needs and making them happen. And your guy was in school- well I guess when it's a PhD you write alone but still he could have made contacts with the school.

Sorry my posts keep getting long, I'm just angry for you! Do you have a good support network to help you make the break if you do?

One last thing, if the court case isn't closed, and you are going to break up, I wouldn't bother helping him figure it out. You have already paid too much the last 5 years.
I totally agree with this poster, you are not responsible for whether he has friends and a social life he is.
To tell the truth I'd tell him if he misses home so much to go ahead and move home. He sounds like he really doesn't want to be in the US and is blaming you for his life, he's an adult and can make his own decisions, he sounds like he wants you to be the bad guy and throw him out, that way he can always say, "It was her fault" He sounds very immature.
So sorry things aren't what you expected.
post #14 of 22
Sorry you are going through this, good luck with everything. Stay strong and do what you feel safe, comfortable and happy with. Your DD deserves a happy momma. Keep us posted.
post #15 of 22
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. He thinks that telling me, ""Trust me, if I wanted to hit you with that, I would not have missed" relieves him of any responsibility for what happened that night. He also does not get that those words actually sound threatening rather than "comforting" to me..
See all i can draw from that statement is that he intended and succeeded in hitting your innocent baby in the face with a jar. I mean, he wouldn't miss would he? That's what he's saying.

I'm so sorry you're living with this. I too have lived with the "but i'm this way with EVERYONE! It's just how i am." attitude and i can say is seek counselling and figure out the next step. I left. It was very true - he WAS that way with everyone, but he's not allowed to be that way with me, not anymore.
post #16 of 22
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See all i can draw from that statement is that he intended and succeeded in hitting your innocent baby in the face with a jar. I mean, he wouldn't miss would he? That's what he's saying.

I'm so sorry you're living with this. I too have lived with the "but i'm this way with EVERYONE! It's just how i am." attitude and i can say is seek counselling and figure out the next step. I left. It was very true - he WAS that way with everyone, but he's not allowed to be that way with me, not anymore.
No, if I thought for a minute that he meant to hit DD, then I would have left and never come back. Neither of us saw her crawling around between us as she was in the next room when we started arguing.

Anyway, we spent yesterday starting the process to get it expunged from his record, something the lawyer, at the time, should have told us that he could do but did not. While I know that I did the right thing in the momemt that night, I do regret that he had faced a very humiliating experience at the airport. Fortunately, he was travelling alone, without any business colleagues, as it was not handled discretely at all by Immigration.

I spent much of the day in tears. When he asked why I was the one crying, I asked why I should not cry about the end of our marriage. We was completely taken aback. He clearly did not expect that We finally had a very long talk on the way home. We agreed to give it another go - to purge all that happened from our lives together with the expungement. He admitted his role in the events that led to all this, so it is a start. I brought up counseling, so we will be looking into that as I know that we have a lot of issues to deal with. Some of them his, some of them mine. I would not be fair for me, either, to put all the blame on him. But I think that our DD is worth the effort, provided that we both put the required effort into it. A part of me knows that he is not going to completely change, but neither am I. I just hope that we can work together to bring out the best in each other, rather than the worst.

Thank you ladies, for all your support...I will be coming back for more...
post #17 of 22
No, i totally get that he didn't mean to hit her, but what i mean is that he acts as if you'd no right to be so afraid you called the police because if he'd WANTED to hurt you he would have, but he DID hurt your DD, despite NOT wanting to, so clearly things aren't so clear cut and i think his refusal to see that helps his blaming you. He states that your reaction should have been about his intentions, not his ACTUAL actions. It makes your fear unreasonable if he says it was very obvious he didn't mean to hit you, but since he DID hit and hurt someone it makes no real sense. In your place i would have done what you did.

Anyway the rest of your latest post is very positive, i hope counselling can work out for you guys. It sounds like he's been drip drip dripping the blame/casting up of that incident so long he really wasn't thinking about how you felt about it. So it's good that you were frank about how you see all this and that he wants to make it work too.

Hopefully you guys can find one another again.
post #18 of 22
HUGS! In all honesty, the past has a tendency to repeat itself. If his anger is rising, again, something similar might happen again. I'm not sure where you are, but at least in the US, if you know about an abusive behavior in your DH and you keep your child in that situation and something happens again (let's just say a loud, verbally abusive argument) where the police have to come again, they can hold you responsible for keeping your daughter in that situation and charge the both of you with child endangerment. That was my wake up call in my own situation. My ex was constantly verbally/emotionally abusive.

After I left, and though it's been excruciating, I've been told by counselors to NEVER go back. I've been told there is a "honeymoon period" that could last years and then the abuse could resurface (with him it wouldn't take even a week, I'm sure, but with many it CAN go fairly well for years) and be worse. I'm not trying to make you afraid, but, honestly, that is what woke me up to get myself and my DD out of that situation. Please feel free to contact me in private if you need to talk. I really hope things work out for you and your child. You did absolutely nothing wrong and, honestly, his blaming you, as someone else said, is definitely a red flag.
post #19 of 22
I think counseling is a very good idea to try to help the marriage.

BUT, and this is a big BUT, attitudes toward domestic violence where your husband is from are very different from attitudes in the USA. In India, for example, many men believe it is "OK" to hit their wives (or throw things) if dinner is not made properly. Sadly, many women also feel this is acceptable. In the USA, of course, we have much more egalitarian expectations of marriage. (Yes I realize your husband is not from India. But pretty close.)
Here is a link: http://www.indianchild.com/domestic_...e_in_india.htm

You need to find out where your husband stands. Does he believe throwing something at you or near you is OK? Or does he agree (with you and most others) that it is not OK? He needs to be on board with the goals of marriage (partnership) for things to work out. I hope you two can make things better, or that you can make a new start without him. You don't have to accept anger/violence/throwing.

- sleepless
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by SleeplessMommy View Post
I think counseling is a very good idea to try to help the marriage.

BUT, and this is a big BUT, attitudes toward domestic violence where your husband is from are very different from attitudes in the USA. In India, for example, many men believe it is "OK" to hit their wives (or throw things) if dinner is not made properly. Sadly, many women also feel this is acceptable. In the USA, of course, we have much more egalitarian expectations of marriage. (Yes I realize your husband is not from India. But pretty close.)
Here is a link: http://www.indianchild.com/domestic_...e_in_india.htm

You need to find out where your husband stands. Does he believe throwing something at you or near you is OK? Or does he agree (with you and most others) that it is not OK? He needs to be on board with the goals of marriage (partnership) for things to work out. I hope you two can make things better, or that you can make a new start without him. You don't have to accept anger/violence/throwing.

- sleepless
I think he knows it is not right. He does have some anger issues which have gotten better since that fateful night, so I know that he is working on it. I know the urge to do something physical when angry. I break pencils or throw something small to the ground sometimes. He stupdily did it with something bigger that night, which when combined with seemingly out of control anger, it really scared me. He just has a hard time understanding how my mind went from a thrown jar (which did bounce off the ground before accidentally hitting DD) to "domestic violence", suggesting he is a "wife beater" and giving him a record of an arrest (though no conviction). I sorta see his side but until now he just could not see my side of things.
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