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post #1 of 18
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Hey all,

I am so glad I found this forum. We are super new to SN parenting, but we got a dx of SPD last week and I am just a little overwhelmed and not sure what all this means for our family.

I had been noticing things were different with my son for awhile. Firstly, he really, really likes to bang his head into things. At first, I thought this was a normal developmental stage and would pass, but he still does it a lot. Also, if he is redirected or transitioned into a new activity and that upsets him, he will hit himself in the face and the head. The thing he does most that is really unusual, however, is licking. And I mean constantly licking everything, especially sliding glass doors (or any glass door), windows and the floor. He will sneak to do it b/c he knows that he will be corrected. It was so frustrating to hear my parents say (and they still say) that he does it b/c we have dogs and he thinks he is a dog (even though NONE of our dogs lick windows!). I really need the head ramming against a brick wall icon, but I am on my phone and can't find it We go to a music class once a week and instead of interacting with the kids, he tries to sneak off to the side and lick all the windows and doors (it is in a room with a full wall of windows). All the musical instruments go in his mouth, even things like blocks with sandpaper on one side. He doesn't really like to interact with the kids, he mostly parallel plays, besides patting them on the head occasionally. He also becomes startled and frightened by certain tones of voices or loud noises at particular times (usually right before bed or naptime, when his body is winding down). He has become frightened of my youngest brother, who has a deep voice and doesn't speak quietly to him. He will pout and cry pitifully and run to my mom or myself for comfort when my brother speaks (and this is a new development, he used to love spending time with my brother). He also becomes overwhelmed in the presence of more dominant or active kids. Back in December, I spent a few days with a couple girlfriends and their two boys. One of the boys was very aggressive, bullied the other boy (my son tried to avoid interaction with this boy), and was just generally rough. My son was almost catatonic. He was very, very quiet (the moms were telling me how easy I had it b/c my son was "mellow"), he sat mostly off to the side or in a corner and played by himself. I had never seen him react that way to any situation, but maybe that is related to SPD?

So, we had an eval with an OT last week and she dx him with SPD. She said he will probably only need therapy for 3-6 months once a week for 45 minutes. She implied that she didn't think his symptoms were that serious (although she told me they don't use terms like mild or severe, they just dx it and that's that). She did tell me the goal of OT would be to redirect his inappropriate behavior, like licking doors and windows into licking things that are appropriate (she mentioned a specific thing they use for kids who lick, but I forget the name).

Anyway, this is a really long-winded intro, but I guess I am just looking for been there/done that reassurance, any ideas on what to expect, or not to expect anything and go with the flow and see what happens.

Thank you if you made it all the way through this!
post #2 of 18
Welcome, there are great mommas here with more knowledge about SPD than I have. But couldn't read without posting . Good luck to you on your journey with your son.
post #3 of 18
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Thank you, Joy
post #4 of 18
I don't know much about SPD either, but a friend with a child with SPD recommends this book. I can add that at your child's age parallel play is absolutely developmentally appropriate. My 3 year old is just starting to notice other kids and do some more imaginative play with others.
post #5 of 18
Hi,

I've got a kid with SPD and I highly recommend the Sensational Kids book. I like that book because there are different chapters on the different 'types' of SPD. It sounds like some sensory input (like your brother's voice) is very overwhelming to your son, and that at the same time he's seeking out sensory input in other ways (hence the licking). This is a pretty common combination, FWIW. He's partly a sensory avoider (hypersensitive) and partly a sensory seeker (hyposensitive).

The bottom line is that SPD is a disorder of self regulation. For whatever reason, the brain doesn't regulate input (especially sensory input) in a way that allows the child to make sense of it. This lack of self regulation spills over into other areas (emotional regulation, for example). This might explain why your son 'withdrew' when he was around a highly stimulating, scary older child. His flight or fight mechanisms were triggered, and he chose 'flight' (although not physically). In other situations, he might lash out. (Our ds never did, but many SPD kids do.)

Another good read is "The out of sync child". It's a quicker (and probably less academic) read than "Sensational Kids" and might be a good first step. But I do find the information in Sensational Kids more in depth and more helpful.

The good news is that for many kids, SPD is highly treatable with OT. It's also something that gets better with age/development. As the child's ability to self-regulate grows, they're better able to channel their need for stimulation/calm.

For example, I was going through a song book with dd tonight while ds was reading. He hates for anyone to sing while he reads. He first said "momma, I'm reading". I told him I was singing with dd, and he went calmly up to his room. 2 years ago, he would have burst into tears. Last year he would have stomped up to his room. Ds has also invented a number of games that seem to meet his need for sensory input. He likes to 'luge' down the stairs on a thin mattress. He's spent a lot of time in the last 2 weeks doing 'short track' rollerblading around the house.
post #6 of 18
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Thank you askew and a big thank you to Lynn for that explanation! I will definitely be checking out those books soon Here is a question I'm not sure of. Today in music, he just would not stop licking the door. I had to continually bring him back into the circle, and as soon as I sat down, he was back at the door licking it. I warned him that we would leave if he continued that (obviously not sure if he understood), but after several times of getting up and moving him away from licking the door, we left music early. I'm not sure if that is an appropriate response to this behavior? I am anxious to start OT and learn how to appropriately redirect him, but in the meantime, I don't want to do the wrong thing, kwim?
post #7 of 18
Hmmm. Is the music class beneficial to your child at this age/stage? Does he show any interest? Is he disrupting the class with his behaviour?

If you would most likely answer no/I am not sure(or similar answer), the second no/not much, and/or the third yes/most likely, could you re-think music classes for your child? Maybe you could find him another class or environment where he could be familiarised with music but where he would be more likely to particpate and/or enjoy or another activity that would fit his need/characteristics more?

Jus another perspective on this particular issue.

I know that if my child (suspected spd) would show this behaviour when in (any) type of class, it would be a sign for him not being ready/fit to be there (yet, or in the moment, or just never). What I mean, there is a choice here: to attend o not attend, or to attend but leave when things are just not working out (mind you, not as 'punishment', just logic and in everyone's best interest).

And I also know that in many other situations it just cannot be chosen or avoided that he is getting distracted/distracting himself from an activity/showing 'out-of-the-norm' behaviour and where there's not much you as a parent can do about it either. Whatever other people may seem to think about so-called 'parental control' around an 'out of control/misbehaving/strangely acting' child.

For instance, travelling by subway. There's just one particular way my ds2 will be comfortable riding it (soon became like a ritual): sitting on the bench on his knees while looking outside and spotting environment we ride through, experiencing the movement while looking at the moving 'landscape', by sitting with his back to fellow passengers also avoiding stares/comments (not particularly for him behaving differently, just in general him hiding from/avoiding people interacting with or looking at him, hes some kind of a people's magnet but often is not tuned into that and often toıuched out by it, too :-), often he's also standing on his feet (socks :-) and most likely he will be even kissing and/or licking the window at one point or another, touching materials/screws, and maybe calling me 'stupid mommy' because he knows that annoys me a little (I then turn it into a game to try to not in the least get offended and keep my head up :-). Oh yes, I actually started to remove his shoes as soon as he chooses his seat on the subway one day, because we have sometimes had ugly looks from people who didn't approve of his behaviour (standing/sitting backwards on the seats with shoes, being hyperactive, not listening to parental suggestions - btw, he's just turned 4 so still 'little enough' to be tolerated enough), and him wearing muddy boots that day. Ever since that day removing shoes has become part of the ritual, and often he does/we do (I mean, not me, but on my suggestion and now his initiative) that in restaurants too because he often just sits on his knees or stand on the chair, and cannot sit still. He cannot sit (quietly) on a lap either, when it does happen he totally takes my by surprise! It's been an issue sometimes when bus/subway was getting full and people then expect a young child to sit on mother's/father's lap. Usually I would get up and stand right in front of his seat while him still doing his usual thing instead, sometimes, when there would be no proper space for me to stand we would keep on using the two seats, or I would share the same seat with with him standing and wriggling behind me or on my back; on a bus it's happened that we just take kept our two seats (me putting my 'special' child's needs and comfort level above passengers' possible annoyance over a 'lost seat' - since it wouldn't do ANYONE good for him having a screaming tantrum through the whole bus when he would be forced to 'break' his 'pattern' and give up his personal space!) and/or it happened that someone would force/insist to sit on 'his/my' spot while I had to forcibly hold ds on my lap - and those where just horrible rides!

LUCKLIY these are not daily routines, but lately I had to use public transport regularly with him so these things kept coming up. And LCKILY he also became much more 'easygoing' and reasonable and enjoyable so that most part of the outing is usually ok, the only requirement for it is to be totally tuned in to his needs while facilitating him to tune in to yours, too.

Also, he may at times resist hugging/kissing/touching and at others he may kiss me and dh repeatedly so forcibly on our arm/leg/wherever he can that it hurts! He's very lovable and very special, in many ways. He changed my perspective on many things (mostly regarding parenting and patience and tolerance and creative solutions). Actually, he made me become a more competent parent than I would ever have been without him, only, sometimes I look like one and often I don't, lol.

And does this all sound familiar to some?
Anyway, I guess needed to vent a little too.
Courage to the op. And be creative and help your son to become as creative well!
post #8 of 18
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Hey ema,

Thanks for the response. I actually think music class is really good for DS. He loves music...:e likes to dance and make music (inbetween licking the instruments ). It is not so much disruptive to the class as it is distressing to me. A couple times, parents and the teacher have come behind DS to wipe off the glass only to have him lick it again. The other kids don't pay attention or imitate this behavior, so I don't think it is causing any disturbances that way. I'm just not sure if now he's doing it for sensory input or b/c he gets attention, albeit negative, from repeating the behavior kwim?
post #9 of 18
Oh ok, it was just an idea, if he enjoys classes and everyone else too, and it is only YOUR stress (sounds familiar!, however I mostly do my very best to stay relaxed only that doesn't always work...), YOU'll have to do sth about your perception/feelings around behaviour, lol.

My one child usually closes his ears when I start singing or asks me to stop (therefore I never really taught him much songs/rhymes, he just didn't like me singing most of the time :-( ) or he may cover his ears when he hears a sound, a song, or music, he does not enjoy/dislike. On the other hand, he equally loves certain other music/songs, has a few favourites at the moment, and loves dancing like crazy, too, especially in my arms (as long as I can still manage that :-). But I think he might possibly disrupt (music) classes too much, and it might just be too much for him at the moment too, I'm thinking of trying something for him in a few months time, when he may also be a little more mature and hopefully better in speech.

I also do NOT feel comfortable when he's licking the metro/bus window (or other) AGAIN, but there's nothing that works to stop him from doing it when he feels like, unless when he's having a snack or can sit still for 2 minutes to check out a book we brought along, but that never lasts for the entire ride. And he would not lick anything 'safe' instead either, he truly wants to kiss/lick the window of the moving vehicle and see/feel/taste(*) ehat this does. I also do not like him chewing on his sleeves or else wiping his face/nose/hands on his or my clothes either, but it's at least less yucky regarding mass germs, only it is yucky or damaging regarding our clothes. (I always take wet wipes a long but if let him he will use the whole pack in no time - a new wipe for every new 'dirt'! however, he doesn't seem to think of licking windows of public stransport as dirty :-( !) He doesn't show this type of behaviour all of the time, but often enough for it to be an actual unusual habit of his. And yes, sometimes paying attention to 'unwanted behaviour' makes him want to do it more instead of less. I mostly rather ignore it or just state that I would rather have he does not do 'x' because of 'y' and leave it at that. Therefore, some people must be convinced that this behaviour could/should be 'controlled' (meaning: 'stopped') by a ('capable') parent. Uh, no, really, not!, and I choose my battles carefully or everything would be a battle some days, however I do my best to redirect in a gentle way and in such a way that I hope he does not 'get' what I'm trying to do (he may sometimes DO silly things, but he IS far from silly!), and I equally put a lot of energy in explaining (and not too much of this either because that might have a stronge adverse effect :-)) why I find something rather inappropriate, but it's really up to him to decide what to do with the given info. I only really step in when there is a risk of him or someone else getting hurt or in other, rare, circumstances where I can't otherwise but put a halt to it.

The same thing for sibling rivalry going on, my dss do not have buttons to (de-)activate certain behaviour - people often assume it's just all the parent's fault the way children are behaving, or that it's within the parent's control. Or that behaviour of the child must be a mirror of how the child's been treated. I now learned my lesson as a parent myself, that you do not own the remote control over a child, that's not how it works, and a lot depends on the character and particular needs of each individual child, and even on child/sibling relationships. But I know that's the way many are thinking about children showing unwanted/unappreciated behaviours. Some of the sibling rivalry in this house, I'm sure, is stemming from my youngest 'special' characteristics and his brother's reaction to some of it. It doesn't mean we do not try to keep it within certain 'acceptable' borders wherever we can, but they are not robots and certainly we are not either.

Therefore, it IS nice when people are understanding or accepting about a child's out-of-the-norm behaviour and do not make an issue of it or remark on it.

Do you actually tell people what's going on when they wonder or have remarks/the 'look'? I do not know what to think about that, actually. To most it 'll probably sound as an excuse for 'bad behaviour'.
So I havn't so far, he hasn't got a diagnosis either (it's also not much known in this country for one thing) so I can't even be 100 percent sure (but 99% convinced!) , and I only have stated a few times he has quite some 'special traits'. But I'd really rather have people just could behave as decent adults and would learn to ignore it or let it be and mind their own business when a child is/some children are obviously not easy to handle in the moment, and the parent is already having a hard time 'dealing with it' (may it not be the way they would 'like it to be taken care of if it were to be their child(ren)').

Yesterday was another 'interesting' day, outdoors, for us parents (pretty challenging I mean :-). Today me and the kids were just home and things were so much more peaceful than the usual and I'm glad.

Actually I was not intending to raid your thread. Sorry, some steam to let go .
post #10 of 18
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No, no Ema it's fine I am glad you wrote so much about your DS...perhaps if my DS starts exhibiting some of these behaviors as he gets older, I will remember this thread.

No one has said anything, but I have gotten a few looks and the "smile" (if you know what I mean...that smile that actually is like what the heck is your kid doing?!?). I have not spoken to the music teacher about it, but I may bring it up to him after class just so he knows what is going on. He is totally cool about it, and has not mentioned anything, but I think it may be important to bring him in the loop on this, I'm not sure?
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by lawmama1984 View Post
Today in music, he just would not stop licking the door. I had to continually bring him back into the circle, and as soon as I sat down, he was back at the door licking it. I warned him that we would leave if he continued that (obviously not sure if he understood), but after several times of getting up and moving him away from licking the door, we left music early.
The thing is, music class is highly stimulating. It's loud, it's a different kind of noise, there are lots of kids and parents in a new environment, right? Apparently, licking things is helping him regulate.

So, I think you have a couple of things to try: Consider whether music class is appropriate for him. My SPD kids refuses to do music, except at school where he has no choice. It breaks my heart because the child can pitch match beautifully, and may even have perfect pitch. He's naturally musically talented. His music teacher at school loves him. And he refuses piano or singing at home.

Second, bring something appropriate for him to lick/suck. I'd get a whole bunch of teething toys and redirect him when he's licking something inappropriate. It might take some trial and error to figure out what works with him. Is it something smooth? bumpy? chewy?
post #12 of 18
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Lynn, I think you're right about taking a teething toy. Today in OT, they showed me a couple different ones and he seemed to enjoy this rubber one that had nubbies on the end, kind of like a toothbrush but with nubs instead of bristles. I think he really does enjoy the class and gets enjoyment from it, so I think we'll stay in it. We did try an art class and also a play and learn (which is like a directed play session) and he didn't really like those as much as music. He gets excited to go into music and enjoys banging, shaking (and of course licking ) the instruments.
post #13 of 18
I am relatively new to the SPD world as well, so I know how you're feeling!! It can be overwhelming, and there are days when I feel like just when I've got a handle on things, a new element appears!

You've gotten some good advice. I second the recommendation for a teething toy, or some kind of "chewy". There are a few catalog companies with online sites that have a big selection of oral motor stuff - I like Abilitations and Southpaw Enterprises. Your OT can suggest some things that he/she thinks will work best or you might see something you have a good feeling about.

I've been amazed at how beneficial OT has been so quickly - I hope you have a similarly good experience.

Good luck to you!!!
post #14 of 18
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Thank you so much for your post, maybemom and the mouthing toy recommendations!
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by LynnS6 View Post
The thing is, music class is highly stimulating. It's loud, it's a different kind of noise, there are lots of kids and parents in a new environment, right? Apparently, licking things is helping him regulate.

So, I think you have a couple of things to try: Consider whether music class is appropriate for him. My SPD kids refuses to do music, except at school where he has no choice. It breaks my heart because the child can pitch match beautifully, and may even have perfect pitch. He's naturally musically talented. His music teacher at school loves him. And he refuses piano or singing at home.

Second, bring something appropriate for him to lick/suck. I'd get a whole bunch of teething toys and redirect him when he's licking something inappropriate. It might take some trial and error to figure out what works with him. Is it something smooth? bumpy? chewy?
<waves>

I'm also parenting an SPD kiddo. I'll ditto Lynn all the way on this.

There were lots of things that DS enjoyed but totally overwhelmed him and I made choices about what level of overstimulation was worth it. Parenting SPD kids is kind of a magical mystery tour where we discover lots of stuff along the way, and the road can be quite different from the one we planned.
post #16 of 18
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<waves>

I'm also parenting an SPD kiddo. I'll ditto Lynn all the way on this.

There were lots of things that DS enjoyed but totally overwhelmed him and I made choices about what level of overstimulation was worth it. Parenting SPD kids is kind of a magical mystery tour where we discover lots of stuff along the way, and the road can be quite different from the one we planned.
I ditto the ditto! Lynn has given you a lot of great advice!

My DS1 was finally diagnosed with SPD in January after over six months of trying to find an OT. I agree with the previous posts concerning book resources and strategies. It is amazing what an OT can do for our little ones! DS1 has made some amazing improvements in the past several months.

I've found that a lot of what the OT does with DS1 can be modified and applied at home and in other situations as needed. Be creative! The OT really, really helps, but parenting a SPD child will always require a little more planning and energy, yk. Best of luck!
post #17 of 18
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Thank you slsurface and joensally! We had our first OT session on Tuesday. It went well for the most part, except that about 15 or 20 minutes in, the OT put him in a hammock type swing and he had a major meltdown. He was soooo upset and crying She took him out when she saw his reaction, and showed me a joint pressure technique to calm him. That seemed to help a little, but he was still pretty upset the rest of the appointment, crying off and on. She said we won't do swings anymore for now! I learned a lot of good tips and tricks though, and I'm looking forward to learning more!
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by lawmama1984 View Post
Thank you slsurface and joensally! We had our first OT session on Tuesday. It went well for the most part, except that about 15 or 20 minutes in, the OT put him in a hammock type swing and he had a major meltdown. He was soooo upset and crying She took him out when she saw his reaction, and showed me a joint pressure technique to calm him. That seemed to help a little, but he was still pretty upset the rest of the appointment, crying off and on. She said we won't do swings anymore for now! I learned a lot of good tips and tricks though, and I'm looking forward to learning more!
My 3 year old daughter has been diagnosed with SPD. When she first started OT a year ago, she would not tolerate swings for any length of time. This past week at OT, the OT was swinging DD in the hammock swing for over 5 minutes WHILE singing songs with her and my daughter was laughing hysterically. She loved it. DD also rode the swing at the park this week. Your hammock story reminded me of how much progress my DD has made and I wanted to share it with you to give you hope. Kids with SPD can make remarkable progress with a good OT.
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